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pulse classic Li Shi Zhen

work with this for 5 yrs and then graduate to mae jing pulse classic

 

keep it simple, work with as many pulses you can feel

 

feel your own and it will show enough variations to school you

 

lastly don't take any book seriously

 

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heidi L wrote:

 

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good beginners-intermediate

> pulse

> diagnosis book.

>

> Thanks!

> Heidi

>

>

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Learning pulse diagnosis from a book is like learning what food tastes

like from a cook book. Has anyone ever really felt a rolling bean

pulse? These standardized descriptions are vague and difficult to

differentiate in real life. There are a lot more than 28 different pulse

characteristics as well!

 

The only way to learn pulses is to take thousands of pulses, ideally

under the guidance of a master. It really takes years to begin the

study where it starts to make sense. I've learned enough to know that I

have barely scratched the surface.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

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beginners pulse diagnosis book

 

 

Hello,

 

I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good beginners-intermediate

pulse

diagnosis book.

 

Thanks!

Heidi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

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from the sounds of it, studying with a " master " may be a little costly....

j/k.

 

I know that yolu cant learn everything from a book, and ofcourse I would

also practice on as many people as I can. Just interested in any

recommendations from books. I am really interested.

 

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While I agree with you that pulse mastery requires practice practice

practice, and a good teacher, Chinese medicine is both a practical

and literary craft. Learning pulses requires learning the 28 basic

qualities, which are like an alphabet. It also means that it is

preferable to learn basic medical Chinese, so that one can relate the

characters to the pulse qualities. The Chinese language is

intimately related to the pulse qualities themselves as described in

the literature. Then, one can discover for oneself new qualities and

combinations, and also find other pulse descriptions in the classical

literature. For example, the Nan Jing describes seasonal pulses as

hook-like/gou mai in summer, hair-like/mao mai in autumn, stone-like/

shi mai in winter, and string-like/xian mai in springtime.

 

While pulse mastery is a long-term commitment, pulse reading gives

rewards from the very beginning. Just do it and grow. An accurate

diagnosis is half of medical practice.

 

I agree with Holmes that you should begin with Li Shih-zhen's pulse

book, and then move on to the Mai Jing/Pulse Classic.

 

 

On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:31 AM, Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. wrote:

 

> Learning pulse diagnosis from a book is like learning what food tastes

> like from a cook book. Has anyone ever really felt a rolling bean

> pulse? These standardized descriptions are vague and difficult to

> differentiate in real life. There are a lot more than 28 different

> pulse

> characteristics as well!

 

 

>

> The only way to learn pulses is to take thousands of pulses, ideally

> under the guidance of a master. It really takes years to begin the

> study where it starts to make sense. I've learned enough to know

> that I

> have barely scratched the surface.

>

 

 

 

 

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:10 AM

beginners pulse diagnosis book

 

 

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good beginners-intermediate

> pulse

> diagnosis book.

>

> Thanks!

> Heidi

 

> http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

> and adjust

> accordingly.

>

> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group

> requires prior permission from the author.

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics,

>

>

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Sat, 23 Jul 2005 04:10:19 +0000, " heidi L " <hlangeneckert wrote:

>> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good beginners-intermediate

pulse diagnosis book.

 

Adding to the discussion:

1) Leon Hammer's book

2) a computer-based pulse-reading system intended to aid instruction

 

1) As several have mentioned, the Han MaiJing, and Li ShiZhen's texts are

the classic documents; and extensive, perhaps decade-long practice is

essential (for all but the most gifted).

 

I would note that from what I have gathered, traditional pulse mastery,

which has probably always been as rare as it is today, was/is personally

transmitted, in master-student relationships, over an extended learning

period. In my opinion, what the average modern student picks up (myself

included), in standard institutional academic settings (in the PRC as well

as elsewhere), is, in comparison, rudimentary at best.

 

I have to add mention here of Leon Hammer's book - Chinese Pulse Diagnosis:

A Contemporary Approach - as an option for the serious student, even at

beginning / intermediate levels. The reason is that Dr. Hammer's work grows

out of the apprenticeship relationship with an acknowledged master (the

late Dr John Shen), and attempts to present that body of acquired and

cultivated expertise in precise detail, in terms of both methodology and

interpretation.

 

Getting to know this book, to the extent of making it useful, is,

admittedly, a major, long-term task, and greatly facilitated by hands-on

instruction by Dr. Hammer or one of his certified teachers. But probably

more efficient than going it alone.

 

Some aspects of this book are idiosyncratic (and heavily criticized), but

the attention to detail and precision stand as a challenge to his critics

as well as followers. As Dr. Hammer has also pointed out, the pulse

" classics " are also human creations and by no means infallible. (What,

after all, do we know about the context of origin and purpose of those books?)

 

The proof of the pudding, in my experience, lies in the relationships of

particular pulse position/quality combinations/complexes to specific

diagnoses. Dr. Hammer elaborates on what qualities and combinations are

common (and less so) at particular positions, and their significance; and

special relationships among positions & qualities. This is the practical

gold mine (to add another metaphor) of the book, an instance of what

Elisabeth Hsu (in The Transmission of ) calls the

" virtuosity " of the ming laozhongyi (illustrious old/master CM doctors).

That is to say, specific practical insights collected from experience

(added to personally transmitted/inherited experience) which makes for

masterful medicine.

 

2) A group of researchers-practitioners north of San Francisco, led by

Michael Broffman, developed from the 1980's through at least 1999 a

computer-based system of capturing and displaying pulse qualities, focusing

on the educational aspect. An article in the California Journal of Oriental

Medicine (Vol 10, No. 4, Fall 1999, pp 30-33) outlined the history of this

and presented its rationale, with numerous graphic illustrations. It was

called (at least then) " PulsImagery™ " .

 

As fascinating as this appears, I've not noticed it making much of a splash

since. One piece of research associated with it involved a clinical trial

(in conjunction with a degree thesis at San Francisco State University).

Machine identified pulse characteristics were compared with those read by

an expert practitioner. While it looked interesting, and claimed

significant results, a point of some suspicion was that the " expert " - one

of the authors of the system - was also conducting/calibrating the machine

analysis.

 

If this system carries on, perhaps fulfilling one of its main goals as

facilitating student training in pulse reading, then it, as a form of

" media " (nowadays in some ways comparable to " books " ) would be another

approach for the beginner/intermediate pulse student.

 

 

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Another excellent text I can recommend for studying pulse diagnosis

is " Secret of Chinese Pulse Diagnosis " from Bob Flaws. It is

possibly the clearest text on the pulse in the English language.

 

 

On Jul 22, 2005, at 9:10 PM, heidi L wrote:

 

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good beginners-

> intermediate pulse

> diagnosis book.

>

> Thanks!

> Heidi

>

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