Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Hi Listers, While most of you are North Americanos basking in sleet,rain and snow, over here( Bali) we have just warm rain, sunshine and a influx of snakes! Yesterday a close friends Dachshund was bitten by a Green Viper in her kitchen.I was summoned because of my herpetological expertise and past work in snakebite etc.The dog was bitten on the muzzle apparently twice while in mortal combat with the Viper. Normally these types of snakes are not fatal to humans except if the human is immuno-compromised ( Immune system isnt up to snuff) but the bites are extremely painful. I remember my own bite many years ago and you simply cannot hurt worse than from snakebite! In any case, the dog has swelling of the bite site as well as in the lower throat area which is normal. The animal does not exhibit signs of pain whatsoever only wobblyness and general depression but rallies and is allert and bright eyed. The swelling seemed to top out and didnt progress past this and the we treated with Reiki ( Owner is a master) Quantum Touch Energy, Echinacea dilluted in honey several times a day and sad to say Dexamethazone on the owners insistence. We injected Vitamin K3 as a way to stop internal bleeding. I am wondering if any of you have herbal experience with snakebite there? The Vipers here are toxicologically ( poison wise) very similar to the North American Vipers ( Rattlesnakes, Moccasins,Copperheads) in that their venoms are Hemolitic ( Break down the blood in a digestive process).I recommended Echinacea only because I remembered it has been said it was used for snakebites but not real sure how effectively? Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Don in BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounceTired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Plaintain topically on the wound will draw out the poison, it has been used like this by Native Americans since it was introduced. Also, to counteract the poisen use milk thistle, since the poison goes through the blood stream and throught the liver. Good luck< Dawn Herbalist, aromatherapist In Orlando, FL.don wells <dwells2530 wrote: Hi Listers, While most of you are North Americanos basking in sleet,rain and snow, over here( Bali) we have just warm rain, sunshine and a influx of snakes! Yesterday a close friends Dachshund was bitten by a Green Viper in her kitchen.I was summoned because of my herpetological expertise and past work in snakebite etc.The dog was bitten on the muzzle apparently twice while in mortal combat with the Viper. Normally these types of snakes are not fatal to humans except if the human is immuno-compromised ( Immune system isnt up to snuff) but the bites are extremely painful. I remember my own bite many years ago and you simply cannot hurt worse than from snakebite! In any case, the dog has swelling of the bite site as well as in the lower throat area which is normal. The animal does not exhibit signs of pain whatsoever only wobblyness and general depression but rallies and is allert and bright eyed. The swelling seemed to top out and didnt progress past this and the we treated with Reiki ( Owner is a master) Quantum Touch Energy, Echinacea dilluted in honey several times a day and sad to say Dexamethazone on the owners insistence. We injected Vitamin K3 as a way to stop internal bleeding. I am wondering if any of you have herbal experience with snakebite there? The Vipers here are toxicologically ( poison wise) very similar to the North American Vipers ( Rattlesnakes, Moccasins,Copperheads) in that their venoms are Hemolitic ( Break down the blood in a digestive process).I recommended Echinacea only because I remembered it has been said it was used for snakebites but not real sure how effectively? Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Don in BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I hope it isn't too late to post a reply. How is the poor little dog doing? I looked up snake bites in my books. They recommend large doses of vitamin C. Also Quercitin and bromelain. Quercitin is found in yellow and red onions. It is also available in capsules. Bromelain is available in pills as well. It is an enzyme found in pineapple. It can all be taken internally, and rubbed on the bites. Sorry I didn't see this post earlier. We have been digging ditches and dealing with mudslide behind house and garage, flooded field and animal barns. Take care, Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi Teresa and all, Thanks for your answer. The Dog has virtually recovered totally in a very few days time. This is almost unheard of here from this particular snake which has a 10% fatality in humans let along small animals. We did not use the receommended Anti-venin treatment. The protocol we used seemed to have done the trick.I truly believe the Reiki and Quantum Touch affected the recovery the most but cant rule out the others either. In any case, the dog is back and tickety boo! Donteresa <tmbdobie wrote: I hope it isn't too late to post a reply. How is the poor little dogdoing? I looked up snake bites in my books. They recommend largedoses of vitamin C. Also Quercitin and bromelain. Quercitin is foundin yellow and red onions. It is also available in capsules. Bromelain is available in pills as well. It is an enzyme found inpineapple. It can all be taken internally, and rubbed on the bites.Sorry I didn't see this post earlier. We have been digging ditchesand dealing with mudslide behind house and garage, flooded field andanimal barns.Take care,Teresa Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 The NA's (Native American Indians) used a poultice of plantain and chaparral for bites of any kind including snakes. The equal amounts of herbs are mashed together to release their juices and then applied with saliva and held in place with large leaves. The combination will draw the poison out and keep the immune system working on the toxin. I do not think chaparral is available in Bali. Chaparral was banned in USA because it was misused and a person died. It can be toxic if overused. I once had a deep wound (slipped on a trailer and ripped the skin off one shin to the bone). Using OTC creams it would not heal. The scab would close the depths off to the cream. After applying the above poultice it took three days to heal from the depths to the surface. I now have an indentation and a discoloration. LoveBobAdageyudiStaya Udanvti - dawn gates herbal remedies Monday, January 02, 2006 6:07 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Snake bite remedies Plaintain topically on the wound will draw out the poison, it has been used like this by Native Americans since it was introduced. Also, to counteract the poisen use milk thistle, since the poison goes through the blood stream and throught the liver. Good luck< Dawn Herbalist, aromatherapist In Orlando, FL.don wells <dwells2530 wrote: Hi Listers, While most of you are North Americanos basking in sleet,rain and snow, over here( Bali) we have just warm rain, sunshine and a influx of snakes! Yesterday a close friends Dachshund was bitten by a Green Viper in her kitchen.I was summoned because of my herpetological expertise and past work in snakebite etc.The dog was bitten on the muzzle apparently twice while in mortal combat with the Viper. Normally these types of snakes are not fatal to humans except if the human is immuno-compromised ( Immune system isnt up to snuff) but the bites are extremely painful. I remember my own bite many years ago and you simply cannot hurt worse than from snakebite! In any case, the dog has swelling of the bite site as well as in the lower throat area which is normal. The animal does not exhibit signs of pain whatsoever only wobblyness and general depression but rallies and is allert and bright eyed. The swelling seemed to top out and didnt progress past this and the we treated with Reiki ( Owner is a master) Quantum Touch Energy, Echinacea dilluted in honey several times a day and sad to say Dexamethazone on the owners insistence. We injected Vitamin K3 as a way to stop internal bleeding. I am wondering if any of you have herbal experience with snakebite there? The Vipers here are toxicologically ( poison wise) very similar to the North American Vipers ( Rattlesnakes, Moccasins,Copperheads) in that their venoms are Hemolitic ( Break down the blood in a digestive process).I recommended Echinacea only because I remembered it has been said it was used for snakebites but not real sure how effectively? Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Don in BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Dear Don, Echinacea was a good recommendation you gave. Another herb that could have been used is Plantain. You can actually use a Plantain poultice directly on a snake bite. Best, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - don wells herbal remedies Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:25 PM Herbal Remedies - Snake bite remedies Hi Listers, While most of you are North Americanos basking in sleet,rain and snow, over here( Bali) we have just warm rain, sunshine and a influx of snakes! Yesterday a close friends Dachshund was bitten by a Green Viper in her kitchen.I was summoned because of my herpetological expertise and past work in snakebite etc.The dog was bitten on the muzzle apparently twice while in mortal combat with the Viper. Normally these types of snakes are not fatal to humans except if the human is immuno-compromised ( Immune system isnt up to snuff) but the bites are extremely painful. I remember my own bite many years ago and you simply cannot hurt worse than from snakebite! In any case, the dog has swelling of the bite site as well as in the lower throat area which is normal. The animal does not exhibit signs of pain whatsoever only wobblyness and general depression but rallies and is allert and bright eyed. The swelling seemed to top out and didnt progress past this and the we treated with Reiki ( Owner is a master) Quantum Touch Energy, Echinacea dilluted in honey several times a day and sad to say Dexamethazone on the owners insistence. We injected Vitamin K3 as a way to stop internal bleeding. I am wondering if any of you have herbal experience with snakebite there? The Vipers here are toxicologically ( poison wise) very similar to the North American Vipers ( Rattlesnakes, Moccasins,Copperheads) in that their venoms are Hemolitic ( Break down the blood in a digestive process).I recommended Echinacea only because I remembered it has been said it was used for snakebites but not real sure how effectively? Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Don in Bali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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