high cholesterol advice please

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My husband (48 years old) has a fatty liver and high tryglicerides. His total cholesterol is 269 and his tryglicerides are 460. He has not seen an MD but has seen a Natropathic Dr for a year and nothing has helped. She suggested it is inherited and he go on medication from an MD.

 

He is taking lots of fish oil and Cardioauxin (which is naicin, pantethine, phytosterols) for his tryglicerides and Lipotropic Complex (which is vitamins and herbs) for his liver. He also takes garlic and Co Q 10. His diet is basically oatmeal, raw organic apples and green tea. He does occasionally eat vegetables but does not like them. He has eaten hardly anything for 6 months and lost no weight at all. Two months ago they also started him on a shake he mixes with water called UltraGlycemX. He that 2 times a day and it costs $100.00 a month.

 

He is 5'10" and weighs 220 - his dad had clogged arteries that required surgery in his early 50's and died in his 60's of heart failure after more surgeries and heart attacks.

He does not exercise enough but he does work 2 full time jobs and a part time. One job is mainly sitting and standing but the others are janitorial work so lots of moving.

 

What can help his liver to get rid of the fat? Why does he not loose weight?

Why don't the tryglicerides go down? Why would a natropath suggest medication that might be harmful to his liver? If this question is not appropriate for this list can someone tell me where to go for the advice?

He also has arthritis in his knees and feet and limps when he walks so cannot exercise even if he did have time - which he doesn't. I am determined to find a way to get him a rebounder, though the good ones are expensive.

 

Thanks,

Brenda

 

 

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He has eaten hardly anything for 6 months and lost no weight at all. Two months ago they also started him on a shake he mixes with water called UltraGlycemX. He that 2 times a day and it costs $100.00 a month. He is 5'10" and weighs 220 - his dad had clogged arteries that required surgery in his early 50's and died in his 60's of heart failure after more surgeries and heart attacks. He does not exercise enough but he does work 2 full time jobs and a part time. One job is mainly sitting and standing but the others are janitorial work so lots of moving. What can help his liver to get rid of the fat? Why does he not loose weight? Why don't the tryglicerides go down? Why would a natropath suggest medication that might be harmful to his liver? If this question is not appropriate for this list can someone tell me where

to go for the advice? He also has arthritis in his knees and feet and limps when he walks so cannot exercise even if he did have time - which he doesn't. I am determined to find a way to get him a rebounder, though the good ones are expensive. Thanks, Brenda

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Oh My Brenda!

 

I will tell you what has helped my hubby and I. NUMBER ONE! Get off of ALL white sugar! This is the biggest offender of high cholesterol!

 

Number two, what you have described about your dh's history sounds VERY much like mine too. My problem was a hypothyroid! GET HIS LEVELS CHECKED! If his TSH is over 3 he is hypo! There is a product called "raw thyroid". You can find it in some health food stores, I get mine from "Wilderness Family Naturals" http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/ I would start out with one capsule with breakfast and one with dinner.

 

To see when you get the correct levels, take his temp first thing in the morning before he gets out of bed, if it is under 98, I would step up the dosage. Most people feel great improvement with two and two.

 

Next thing to do it get him onto the good fats. I know this may sound strange but if your body is not getting enough of the right fats, it then will produce cholesterol to replace what it needs! To do this my dh and I started drinking raw, organic milk from grass fed cows, cream and all! Next we started to use only butter and coconut oil in out cooking with some olive oil. We even use lard in things.

 

Get away from any processed foods! These are killers! Try to go as organic as possible. Get away from white flours too! They are killers too! Natural and as close to how nature created the food is best.

 

Once we started doing this and had been for a few months, both of our levels have dropped a lot. My levels have gone from the LDL being over 120 (I am diabetic so I must keep this low) to 80 and my HDL went up to 60 from 34. (HDL is the good one and LDL the bad.)

 

I can not remember DH's numbers but they went down to a normal level from being in the 280 range.

 

Much of the diet we are following is from the "Nourishing Tradition" book. Granted we have changed it to our personal likings and abilities (we can not afford to eat totally organic yet, but we are well on our way), but we stick to the basics.

 

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_____________ Dear Brenda, Many issues are involved here...one answer will not conquer all. I was curious to know if your husband has ever consulted a hydrotherapist for a colonic? Also, When did he discontinue meat and meat products from his diet? (that's usually a guarantee for lowering cholesterol and tryglycerides...it worked for me) Plus, is his diet mostly plant-based? And is a personal trainer a possibility? You may want to look more close at some of the following to help analyze what his weight loss block really is or bring it to the attention of his Natropath: 1) Lazy Metabolism and Thyroid Imbalance 2) Appetite/Poor Digestion 3) Cravings and Blood Sugar Imbalances 4) Liver

Malfunction 5) Poor Circulation and Low Energy 6) Poor Elimination Be Blessed in the right use of Knowledge...JOYintheMorning... _________________ shooting7str8 wrote: Hi, My husband (48 years old) has a fatty liver and high tryglicerides. His total cholesterol is 269 and his tryglicerides are 460. He has not seen an MD but has seen a Natropathic Dr for a year and nothing has helped. She suggested it is inherited and he go on medication from an MD. He

is taking lots of fish oil and Cardioauxin (which is naicin, pantethine, phytosterols) for his tryglicerides and Lipotropic Complex (which is vitamins and herbs) for his liver. He also takes garlic and Co Q 10. His diet is basically oatmeal, raw organic apples and green tea. He does occasionally eat vegetables but does not like them. He has eaten hardly anything for 6 months and lost no weight at all. Two months ago they also started him on a shake he mixes with water called UltraGlycemX. He that 2 times a day and it costs $100.00 a month. He is 5'10" and weighs 220 - his dad had clogged arteries that required surgery in his early 50's and died in his 60's of heart failure after more surgeries and heart attacks. He does not exercise enough but he does work 2 full time jobs and a part time. One job is mainly sitting and standing but the others are janitorial work so lots of

moving. What can help his liver to get rid of the fat? Why does he not loose weight? Why don't the tryglicerides go down? Why would a natropath suggest medication that might be harmful to his liver? If this question is not appropriate for this list can someone tell me where to go for the advice? He also has arthritis in his knees and feet and limps when he walks so cannot exercise even if he did have time - which he doesn't. I am determined to find a way to get him a rebounder, though the good ones are expensive. Thanks, Brenda JOY with every heartbeat

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Has he been tested for Diabetes? To me it sounds like he may have diabetes or at least insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome). As for exercise, swimming is good for those who have bad joints or he can do chair exercises in the job where he sits. Simple calf lifts or even fidgiting at a desk burns calories. A study came out last year that said (I am paraphrasing here) thin people (charactorized by BMI) sat 40 minutes less a DAY then even moderatly obese people (also defined by BMI). The study was done on over 5, 000 people and over half of them had desk jobs. I guess I need to fidgit more <grin>. Dawn, Herbalist, aromatherapist Orlando, FL. shooting7str8 wrote: Hi, My husband (48 years old) has a fatty liver and high tryglicerides. His total cholesterol is 269 and his tryglicerides are 460. He has not seen an MD but has seen a Natropathic Dr for a year and nothing has helped. She suggested it is inherited and he go on medication from an MD. He is taking lots of fish oil and Cardioauxin (which is naicin, pantethine, phytosterols) for his tryglicerides and Lipotropic Complex (which is vitamins and herbs) for his liver. He also takes garlic and Co Q 10. His diet is basically oatmeal, raw organic apples and green tea. He does occasionally eat vegetables but does not like them. He has eaten hardly anything for 6 months and lost no weight at all. Two months ago they also started him on a shake he mixes with water called UltraGlycemX. He that 2 times a day and it costs $100.00 a month. He is 5'10" and

weighs 220 - his dad had clogged arteries that required surgery in his early 50's and died in his 60's of heart failure after more surgeries and heart attacks. He does not exercise enough but he does work 2 full time jobs and a part time. One job is mainly sitting and standing but the others are janitorial work so lots of moving. What can help his liver to get rid of the fat? Why does he not loose weight? Why don't the tryglicerides go down? Why would a natropath suggest medication that might be harmful to his liver? If this question is not appropriate for this list can someone tell me where to go for the advice? He also has arthritis in his knees and feet and limps when he walks so cannot exercise even if he did have time - which he doesn't. I am determined to find a way to get him a rebounder, though the good ones are expensive. Thanks, Brenda

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I love that Nourishing traditions cookbook from Sally Falon. She is great to hear in public if you ever get the chance! Dawn Herbalist, aromatherapist Orlando, FlKimi <kwolffden wrote: Oh My Brenda! I will tell you what has helped my hubby and I. NUMBER ONE! Get off of ALL white sugar! This is the biggest offender of high cholesterol! Number two, what you have described about your dh's history sounds VERY much like mine too. My problem was a hypothyroid! GET HIS LEVELS CHECKED! If his TSH is over 3 he is hypo! There is a product called

"raw thyroid". You can find it in some health food stores, I get mine from "Wilderness Family Naturals" http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/ I would start out with one capsule with breakfast and one with dinner. To see when you get the correct levels, take his temp first thing in the morning before he gets out of bed, if it is under 98, I would step up the dosage. Most people feel great improvement with two and two. Next thing to do it get him onto the good fats. I know this may sound strange but if your body is not getting enough of the right fats, it then will produce cholesterol to replace what it needs! To do this my dh and I started drinking raw, organic milk from grass fed cows, cream and all! Next we started to use only butter and coconut oil in out cooking with some

olive oil. We even use lard in things. Get away from any processed foods! These are killers! Try to go as organic as possible. Get away from white flours too! They are killers too! Natural and as close to how nature created the food is best. Once we started doing this and had been for a few months, both of our levels have dropped a lot. My levels have gone from the LDL being over 120 (I am diabetic so I must keep this low) to 80 and my HDL went up to 60 from 34. (HDL is the good one and LDL the bad.) I can not remember DH's numbers but they went down to a normal level from being in the 280 range. Much of the diet we are following is from the "Nourishing Tradition" book. Granted we have

changed it to our personal likings and abilities (we can not afford to eat totally organic yet, but we are well on our way), but we stick to the basics. Kimi**********************************************************************************************************************************"Nothing in my hand I bring. Simply to His cross I cling."

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Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:53 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - high cholesterol advice please

 

I love that Nourishing traditions cookbook from Sally Falon. She is great to hear in public if you ever get the chance!

 

Dawn

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Orlando, FlKimi <kwolffden wrote:

 

Oh My Brenda!

 

I will tell you what has helped my hubby and I. NUMBER ONE! Get off of ALL white sugar! This is the biggest offender of high cholesterol!

 

Number two, what you have described about your dh's history sounds VERY much like mine too. My problem was a hypothyroid! GET HIS LEVELS CHECKED! If his TSH is over 3 he is hypo! There is a product called "raw thyroid". You can find it in some health food stores, I get mine from "Wilderness Family Naturals" http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/ I would start out with one capsule with breakfast and one with dinner.

 

To see when you get the correct levels, take his temp first thing in the morning before he gets out of bed, if it is under 98, I would step up the dosage. Most people feel great improvement with two and two.

 

Next thing to do it get him onto the good fats. I know this may sound strange but if your body is not getting enough of the right fats, it then will produce cholesterol to replace what it needs! To do this my dh and I started drinking raw, organic milk from grass fed cows, cream and all! Next we started to use only butter and coconut oil in out cooking with some olive oil. We even use lard in things.

 

Get away from any processed foods! These are killers! Try to go as organic as possible. Get away from white flours too! They are killers too! Natural and as close to how nature created the food is best.

 

Once we started doing this and had been for a few months, both of our levels have dropped a lot. My levels have gone from the LDL being over 120 (I am diabetic so I must keep this low) to 80 and my HDL went up to 60 from 34. (HDL is the good one and LDL the bad.)

 

I can not remember DH's numbers but they went down to a normal level from being in the 280 range.

 

Much of the diet we are following is from the "Nourishing Tradition" book. Granted we have changed it to our personal likings and abilities (we can not afford to eat totally organic yet, but we are well on our way), but we stick to the basics.

 

Kimi**********************************************************************************************************************************"Nothing in my hand I bring. Simply to His cross I cling."

 

 

 

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Kimi wrote-

I will tell you what has helped my hubby and I. NUMBER ONE! Get off of ALL white sugar! This is the biggest offender of high cholesterol! Get away from any processed foods! These are killers! Try to go as organic as possible. Get away from white flours too! They are killers too!******************************************************************************************

My husband eats no sugar. Like I said....he eats oatmeal and organic apples, nothing else except that shake prescribed by the Natropath Dr. He has no sugar no honey - no preservatives no .....nothing. He has eaten nothing but oatmeal and apples for months and months. He does occasionally eat raw vegetables. I am getting him a juicer so he can have much more of them - since he won't eat them well. I am also starting him on panther piss and cabbage juice. This week he started olive oil and chopped garlic. He was taking garlic pills but I read on this list that raw garlic is more effective.

You did say to have his thyroid checked and we have not done that. I would have thought his many visits ($$$) to the natropath would have brought that up if needed. shrug?

I will ask her about it next time.

Thanks,

Brenda

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Dawn Wrote-

Has he been tested for Diabetes? To me it sounds like he may have diabetes or at least insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome). As for exercise, swimming is good for those who have bad joints or he can do chair exercises in the job where he sits. Simple calf lifts or even fidgiting at a desk burns calories. A study came out last year that said (I am paraphrasing here) thin people (charactorized by BMI) sat 40 minutes less a DAY then even moderatly obese people (also defined by BMI).

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He has been tested for diabetes. He cannot swim because he works one job from 5am - 2pm and starts another at 3pm until midnite. He also works weekends all night cleaning tile floors. There is no time to go to a pool. What he really needs is more sleep. He never gets more than 4 hours.

His sitting job is not really a desk job. He is a convienient store manager so he has a stool at the counter where he works on books but he is constantly up and down because he works alone and also has to wait on every customer (hundreds) that come in during his shift and do stocking and much more. He does that for 9 hours and then is a custodian on his feet from 3pm - midnite. He does move around plenty - but he does not get aerobic exercise which is my concern. I did pay alot of money to get him a YMCA pass so he could swim but he is just not able to and it was a waste of money.

 

Brenda

 

 

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Joy wrote-

I was curious to know if your husband has ever consulted a hydrotherapist for a colonic? Also, When did he discontinue meat and meat products from his diet?*******************************************************************************************

No hydrotherapist. Never heard of one. I don't know if there is one around here. I don't even know what a colonic is. I will have to do some research on that.

He quit eating meat and dairy over a year ago.

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And is a personal trainer a possibility?no

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You may want to look more close at some of the following to help analyze what his weight loss block really is or bring it to the attention of his Natropath: 1) Lazy Metabolism and Thyroid Imbalance 2) Appetite/Poor Digestion 3) Cravings and Blood Sugar Imbalances 4) Liver Malfunction 5) Poor Circulation and Low Energy 6) Poor Elimination*******************************************************************************

His natropath seems to think he is in no danger (another one told me he was a walking time bomb) and wants to put him on medication for tryglicerides even though he has a fatty liver.

I am thinking I need to find him a new ND. I would not think his liver could be functioning really well being covered in fat. You can actually feel it through the outside of his belly.

And he does not look overweight anywhere except he looks like he swallowed a basketball.

It all looks very bad to me but his natropath doesn't think so. She does want him to see a gastroenterologist but my husband does not want to go. So I was hoping for some ideas of what he could do without going. To me it looks serious but the ND has no answers except medication for tryglicerides.

 

I am afraid to have him do cleanses or something without knowing what to do. I am afraid I will mess him up real bad.

 

Brenda

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My husband (48 years old) has a fatty liver and high tryglicerides.

 

Hello,

 

I too have 'fatty liver' as they call it, and my doctor told me to take 1000 mg of Vitamin C and 400 I.Us. Vitamin E each day. Within a couple of months, my liver function tests were back to normal. Not to say that the 'fatty liver' is gone, but it's better.

 

Hope this helps you a bit,

Candy

 

 

 

 

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Brenda...

I would recommend starting at the beginning. Bowel cleanse.. I use

Doc's recipe and take it. You must get the elimination corrected first

and foremost. Next I would make the Total Tonic, found in files...

also Panther Piss at least twice a day with cayenne added to it 1/2

teaspoon,(cut back on molasses to taste) I also use megadoses of

buffered vitamin C in my P.P. 1 teaspoon to flush fat from congested

liver. Fasting would greatly help. Simplify... dont get overwhelmed.

You body can heal everything if given the right tools. These are the

right tools and results will be seen straightaway.

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YIKES, I agree he needs more sleep. Being awake that much interupts the cortisol that is produced in our bodies from 0300-0500am. Also, the liver breaks down fats and toxins mostly at night when we are sleeping. So the answer is simple, but the both of you are going to have to figure out how to get there. Green blessings, Dawn, Herbalist, aromatherapist shooting7str8 wrote: Dawn Wrote- Has he been tested for Diabetes? To me it sounds like he may have diabetes or at least insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome). As for exercise, swimming is good for those who have bad joints or he can do chair exercises in the job where he sits. Simple calf lifts or

even fidgiting at a desk burns calories. A study came out last year that said (I am paraphrasing here) thin people (charactorized by BMI) sat 40 minutes less a DAY then even moderatly obese people (also defined by BMI). ********************************************************************************************* He has been tested for diabetes. He cannot swim because he works one job from 5am - 2pm and starts another at 3pm until midnite. He also works weekends all night cleaning tile floors. There is no time to go to a pool. What he really needs is more sleep. He never gets more than 4 hours. His sitting job is not really a desk job. He is a convienient store manager so he has a stool at the counter where he works on books but he is constantly up and down because he works alone and also has to wait on every customer (hundreds) that come in during his shift and do stocking and much more. He does that for 9 hours and then is a

custodian on his feet from 3pm - midnite. He does move around plenty - but he does not get aerobic exercise which is my concern. I did pay alot of money to get him a YMCA pass so he could swim but he is just not able to and it was a waste of money. Brenda

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Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:27 PM

Herbal Remedies - high cholesterol advice please

 

Hi,

My husband (48 years old) has a fatty liver and high tryglicerides. His total cholesterol is 269 and his tryglicerides are 460. He has not seen an MD but has seen a Natropathic Dr for a year and nothing has helped. She suggested it is inherited and he go on medication from an MD.

 

I'm surprised the Naturopath gave up so easily. Blaming physical ills on genetics seems to be the latest and greatest fad. It seems to be the catch-all, especially for the Medicos who have no decent solutions for the chronic diseases that plague us. Many Naturopaths that I personally know would have no problem in this area and would not fail in the least to bring those numbers down within a 3 month period.

 

He is taking lots of fish oil Should be on Flax Oil rather than fish oil. Flax is Neutral Ash whereas Fish oils are acid and Cardioauxin (which is naicin, pantethine, phytosterols) sounds Medico to me. Needs to be on an all natural regimen for his tryglicerides and Lipotropic Complex (which is vitamins and herbs) for his liver. He also takes garlic and Co Q 10. How much??? and in what form??? His diet is basically oatmeal loaded full of enzyme inhibitors and impossible to sprout = no good, raw organic apples good!!! and green tea = has caffeine and is Acid Ash = way over rated as being a health item. He does occasionally eat vegetables but does not like them = his body is operating on reverse vectors if he doesn't like veggies. He needs to increase this dramatically but he needs to get is outawhack acid / alkaline ratio fixed first or in conjunction with. He has eaten hardly anything for 6 months and lost no weight at all = eating the wrong foods. His body is starving and holding onto the weight as a survival mechanism. Two months ago they also started him on a shake he mixes with water called UltraGlycemX pardon me while I go puke. This crap'll kill him. He that 2 times a day and it costs $100.00 a month. Typically Medico = costs an arm and a leg (literally and exacerbates the problem.

 

He is 5'10" and weighs 220 - his dad had clogged arteries that required surgery in his early 50's and died in his 60's of heart failure after more surgeries and heart attacks.

He does not exercise enough but he does work 2 full time jobs and a part time. One job is mainly sitting and standing but the others are janitorial work so lots of moving.

 

The janitorial job is good, but the sitting job should probably go. He needs to get up to 45 minutes a day of strenous exercise in like fast walking or rebounding on a mini trampoline.

 

What can help his liver to get rid of the fat? Why does he not loose weight? As above, his body is starving and simply won't let go of it. He needs some GREAT nutrition. He is most likely very toxic and needs to do some cleansing. A toxic liver will not dump its toxins into a toxic bowel. Believe it or not this is a self defense mechanism and his body is protecting him here.

Why don't the tryglicerides go down? Why would a natropath suggest medication that might be harmful to his liver? If this question is not appropriate for this list can someone tell me where to go for the advice? Very appropriate for this list though your husband might not want to hear the answers ;-) I can't comment on the Naturopath since I don't know him and his background. The key factor here is his Liver. This organ needs to be handled. Also, his Acid / Alkaline ratio needs confronting and handling. You need to get him to: http://www.academyofnaturalhealing.com/default2.asp and get him to listen to that free lecture of mine. Many of your answers are in there.

He also has arthritis in his knees and feet and limps when he walks so cannot exercise even if he did have time - which he doesn't. I am determined to find a way to get him a rebounder, though the good ones are expensive.

You're on the right track and just need some help and a nudge in more of a better direction. From everything you've mentioned (and I'm sure you could have written a book about his symptoms the main thing out with him is his Acid / Alkaline ratio. He is suffering from Acidosis. The handlings are actually quite simple, though he might think they are intense in his present condition.

 

In Health and Love,

 

Doc