Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi Two years ago I was told i had epstien barr virus. This year I have been so sick that I have had only 10 days in 5 months that I felt well. I have had pneumonia,various flus and colds sienus infections and such. I have no immune system and work with children on allmost a daily basis. Can anyone recomend a regimine for me? I take eccinacia and vitaimn c. thanks so much for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Are you sure the test results were right? Did they test for anything else? What natural therapys have you tried? A lot of people are allergic to milk, wheat, corn, and many other foods that can cause the same symptoms. Some people who are allergic to ragweed are also allergic to echineca. If you have an autoimmune disease you are not supposed to take echineca. I appologize for my bad spelling. I'm not a speller.raen <fiddlinchick27 wrote: Hi Two years ago I was told i had epstien barr virus. This year I have been so sick that I have had only 10 days in 5 months that I felt well. I have had pneumonia,various flus and colds sienus infections and such. I have no immune system and work with children on allmost a daily basis. Can anyone recomend a regimine for me? I take eccinacia and vitaimn c. thanks so much for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Cleanse everything out, do a fast it will all make a incredible difference. Ginaraen <fiddlinchick27 wrote: Hi Two years ago I was told i had epstien barr virus. This year I have been so sick that I have had only 10 days in 5 months that I felt well. I have had pneumonia,various flus and colds sienus infections and such. I have no immune system and work with children on allmost a daily basis. Can anyone recomend a regimine for me? I take eccinacia and vitaimn c. thanks so much for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Raen, I had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for 11 years. It started with an Epstien Barr infection. One of the things I found was that anything that " revved up " the immune system was bad for me. It just made my symptoms work. I avoided echinacea like the plague. Terri - raen <fiddlinchick27 herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:27:24 -0000 > > Hi Two years ago I was told i had epstien barr virus. This year I have > been so sick that I have had only 10 days in 5 months that I felt > well. I have had pneumonia,various flus and colds sienus infections > and such. I have no immune system and work with children on allmost a > daily basis. Can anyone recomend a regimine for me? I take eccinacia > and vitaimn c. thanks so much for your help. " A ship is safe in a harbor - but that's not what ships were made to do " -- _ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 **** If you have an autoimmune disease you are not supposed to take Echinacea. ****** Why is this? I had not hear this before. I have an autoimmune disease and have used Echinacea with not known problem. But if I should not use it I need to know why. Thanks, Kimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 As I understand it (I'm a lay person - not an " expert " ), autoimmune diseases cause an immune dysfunction where the immune system actually attacks the body. Since echinacea " revs up " the immune system, it makes magnifies the dysfunction. Terri - Kimi <kwolffden herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:39:43 -0600 > > **** If you have an autoimmune disease you are not supposed to take > Echinacea. ****** > > Why is this? I had not hear this before. I have an autoimmune > disease and have used Echinacea with not known problem. But if I > should not use it I need to know why. > > Thanks, Kimi " A ship is safe in a harbor - but that's not what ships were made to do " -- _ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 It may depend on the auto-immune idease. I have MS and they (whoever *they* is) suggest that Echinacea stimulates the immune system and that may lead to an exacerbation. No real idea - but I stay away from it just in case - I want to keep the number of exacerbations to as few as possible. Sara Kimi <kwolffden wrote: **** If you have an autoimmune disease you are not supposed to take Echinacea. ****** Why is this? I had not hear this before. I have an autoimmune disease and have used Echinacea with not known problem. But if I should not use it I need to know why. Thanks, Kimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot peppers. so far he got off doctors medicine, and in three years, hasnt had much of a problem.. I dont guarantee anything, of course, but what does your body crave? sometimes I think we need to listen to our own bodies. - " Sara " <zammead_2000 <herbal remedies > Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:25 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question > It may depend on the auto-immune idease. > > I have MS and they (whoever *they* is) suggest that Echinacea stimulates > the immune system and that may lead to an exacerbation. > > > No real idea - but I stay away from it just in case - I want to keep the > number of exacerbations to as few as possible. > > Sara > > Kimi <kwolffden wrote: > **** If you have an autoimmune disease you are not supposed to > take Echinacea. ****** > > Why is this? I had not hear this before. I have an autoimmune disease and > have used Echinacea with not known problem. But if I should not use it I > need to know why. > > Thanks, Kimi > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and > to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I have Conquered MS too! GinaJudith <sr1216 wrote: someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot peppers. >>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and > to> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I agree fully - we need to listen to our bodies. They tell us a lot. But I also believe that sometimes we crave things that aren't good for us because our bodies need something that's in it (even though eating it is bad for us). I have a good example of this from my own life. Sometimes, especially in the summer, I don't eat a lot of grains. There are just so many good fruits and veggies during the summer, plus I don't want to bake bread or eat hot cereal when it's hot. But if I don't make sure that I get enough whole grains, I'll start craving something I would never eat otherwise - dough made out of white flour. YUCK! The first few times I started craving that I just could not figure out why I would crave something so disgusting and so bad for me. So I started paying attention. I realized that I wasn't eating enough grains. When I added more whole grains, the cravings stopped. I think what happens is, I used to eat foods made out of white flour all the time. White flour is enriched with synthetic vitamins. The body remembers it as a source of nutrients. Not enough vitamins from whole grains - body craves what it knows is a source. So I listen to my body, but I meet its needs with something I know is really good for it. Terri - Judith <sr1216 herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:43:44 -0500 > > someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot > peppers. so far he got off doctors medicine, and in three years, hasnt had > much of a problem.. I dont guarantee anything, of course, but what does your > body crave? sometimes I think we need to listen to our own bodies. > - > " Sara " <zammead_2000 > <herbal remedies > > Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:25 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question > > > > It may depend on the auto-immune idease. > > > > I have MS and they (whoever *they* is) suggest that Echinacea > > stimulates the immune system and that may lead to an exacerbation. > > > > > > No real idea - but I stay away from it just in case - I want to > > keep the number of exacerbations to as few as possible. > > > > Sara > > > > Kimi <kwolffden wrote: > > **** If you have an autoimmune disease you are not > > supposed to take Echinacea. ****** > > > > Why is this? I had not hear this before. I have an autoimmune > > disease and have used Echinacea with not known problem. But if I > > should not use it I need to know why. > > > > Thanks, Kimi > > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > > and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 ****As I understand it (I'm a lay person - not an "expert"), autoimmune diseases cause an immune dysfunction where the immune system actually attacks the body. Since Echinacea "revs up" the immune system, it makes magnifies the dysfunction**** Hummmm, this sure makes me wonder though. Because those of us who have autoimmune disease, have a compromised immune system and need desperately to build it up. So does this mean anything we take to help build up our immune system is going to cause more problems? Building up the immune system is a must for those who have any type of autoimmune disorder/disease. If we get sick and our immune system is not built up, we will get super sick! I know since I have developed diabetes, a small cold will quickly turn into pneumonia! To build my immune system up, I take Cod Liver Oil (CLO) daily as well as elderberry/Echinacea extract and iron supplements (I am also anemic). Since I have started doing this, I have not gotten sick. I have had many opportunities to get sick though, thanks to my loving grandblessings! LOL. Why do they always have to kiss you with a wet sloppy kiss right on the mouth? Plus you are not allowed to have your own glass or fork with out having to share with them. ;o) My grandson kindly exposed me to a huge wet kiss on the lips just hours before he got sick with strep throat. I had a scratchy throat a few days later for a day, but that was it. Everyone else got it. (same exposure practice, LOL) So I wonder if taking it "revs up" the immune system but not the autoimmune disease? DOC???? ANYONE??????????? Any answers for us? I do not want to keep using the elderberry and Echinacea if it will lead to more problems. Plus I know I have advised many people who have autoimmune stuff to use these things. Am I giving bad advice?????!!!!!! If these are a problem, what then should I use????? Kimi**********************************************************************************************************************************"Nothing in my hand I bring. Simply to His cross I cling." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Right now I crave SWEETS!!! (can you say candida?!?!?) But that is because I haven't been fasting and I've been eating holiday cookies and cakes... I'll put the kybosh on that VERY soon! (yeah right!) No, I really will. I haven't been fasting or meditating - used to fast 1 or 2 days a week - whatever I felt like doing at the time and I used to meditate every morning and right before bed. But I had to go into the hospital for a week. Theyhad me on a 1000mg methylpreslidone regimen - and they TOTALLY threw me off of my daily dos and don'ts! I’ve gotten lazy and I haven’t gotten back to being ‘in’ tune again. I was a TERRIBLE patient but I guess telling the doctor that I didn't *sidle* up to allogoric medicine didn't make the physicians or nurses feel like they HAD (or wanted) to treat me that nicely! I swear I'm growing a better 'stash than the hubby with all of those meds they dripped into me - that's why I was extreemly interested in the razor burn posts!!! Jus kidding ;-) Sara Judith <sr1216 wrote: someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot peppers. so far he got off doctors medicine, and in three years, hasnt had much of a problem.. I dont guarantee anything, of course, but what does your body crave? sometimes I think we need to listen to our own bodies.- Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 First, diabetes isn't generally an autoimmune disease. It's generally a result of the highly processed " foods " that we put in our bodies. Do you have diabetes only or do you also have an autoimmune disease? Second, there is a huge difference between building up your state of health and your ability to resist disease and taking something that " revs up " the immune system (like echinacea). Anything that helps your general state of health will help you resist illness. Vitamin C, cod liver oil, etc. is very good for your general health, but it helps you resist disease in a different way than something like echinacea. Also, if you are taking echinacea on an ongoing basis, it may not be helping as much as you think. The last studies I read showed that while echinacea will provide a wonderful short-term boost to the immune system, it will not boost the immune system long-term. In other words, when you take echinacea, it revs up your immune system, but after a couple of weeks, the immune system returns to its normal state - even if you continue taking echinacea. My daughter takes it when she's been exposed to something, or at the very first sign of any cold/flu symptoms. Disclaimer - this is only what I believe with the knowledge I have now. Terri - Kimi <kwolffden herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:45:08 -0600 > > ****As I understand it (I'm a lay person - not an " expert " ), > autoimmune diseases cause an immune dysfunction where the immune > system actually attacks the body. Since Echinacea " revs up " the > immune system, it makes magnifies the dysfunction**** > > Hummmm, this sure makes me wonder though. Because those of us who > have autoimmune disease, have a compromised immune system and need > desperately to build it up. So does this mean anything we take to > help build up our immune system is going to cause more problems? > > Building up the immune system is a must for those who have any type > of autoimmune disorder/disease. If we get sick and our immune > system is not built up, we will get super sick! I know since I have > developed diabetes, a small cold will quickly turn into pneumonia! > > To build my immune system up, I take Cod Liver Oil (CLO) daily as > well as elderberry/Echinacea extract and iron supplements (I am > also anemic). Since I have started doing this, I have not gotten > sick. > > I have had many opportunities to get sick though, thanks to my > loving grandblessings! LOL. Why do they always have to kiss you > with a wet sloppy kiss right on the mouth? Plus you are not allowed > to have your own glass or fork with out having to share with them. > ;o) > > My grandson kindly exposed me to a huge wet kiss on the lips just > hours before he got sick with strep throat. I had a scratchy throat > a few days later for a day, but that was it. Everyone else got it. > (same exposure practice, LOL) > > So I wonder if taking it " revs up " the immune system but not the > autoimmune disease? > > DOC???? ANYONE??????????? Any answers for us? I do not want to keep > using the elderberry and Echinacea if it will lead to more > problems. Plus I know I have advised many people who have > autoimmune stuff to use these things. Am I giving bad > advice?????!!!!!! If these are a problem, what then should I > use????? > > Kimi > ***************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > " Nothing in my hand I bring. Simply to His cross I cling. " " A ship is safe in a harbor - but that's not what ships were made to do " -- _ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Kimi, I agree with you regarding the auto-immune disorders. Your immune system (in my opinion) is ill or out of order - building up your immune system will help the auto-immune disorders. I had several scares regarding illnesses 10 years ago. I was told I was in early stage lupus, early stage cancer, etc. When I decided to take my health into my own hands, avoid doctors, eat healthy, exercise, sunshine, etc., I no longer have those symptoms. It sounds to me that you have your health in control so I would not change anything. Your body will heal itself with the right foods. You have to treat the entire body just not one symptom. A lot of these people are repeating what their doctors tell them. As we know, the doctors in the US provide the best way to get ill and stay ill. Most people on this list are still asking for a cure for one symptom - they do not or will not accept that the body is a whole. To cure a symptom you have to treat the entire body. Irene - Kimi herbal remedies 12/22/2005 3:29:57 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question ****As I understand it (I'm a lay person - not an "expert"), autoimmune diseases cause an immune dysfunction where the immune system actually attacks the body. Since Echinacea "revs up" the immune system, it makes magnifies the dysfunction**** Building up the immune system is a must for those who have any type of autoimmune disorder/disease. If we get sick and our immune system is not built up, we will get super sick! I know since I have developed diabetes, a small cold will quickly turn into pneumonia! DOC???? ANYONE??????????? Any answers for us? I do not want to keep using the elderberry and Echinacea if it will lead to more problems. Plus I know I have advised many people who have autoimmune stuff to use these things. Am I giving bad advice?????!!!!!! If these are a problem, what then should I use????? Kimi**********************************************************************************************************************************" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 herbal remedies , Gina Kopera <ginakopera1> wrote: > > I have Conquered MS too! > > Gina > Hi Gina, What did you do to conquer MS. Thanks in advance! Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 wow congrats. care to share how? >I have Conquered MS too! > > Gina > > Judith <sr1216 wrote: > someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot > peppers. > >> >> >> >> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >> remedy. >> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and >> to >> prescribe for your own health. >> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long >> as >> they behave themselves. >> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any >> person >> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >> from >> list members, you are agreeing to >> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >> members free of any liability. >> >> Dr. Ian Shillington >> Doctor of Naturopathy >> Dr.IanShillington >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The start of my story is at www.ginakopera.com . But basically it is cleaning out all the organs, fasting and clearing the mind. If you have any other question please email. Ginaltyler62000 <LTyler6 wrote: herbal remedies , Gina Kopera <ginakopera1>wrote:>> I have Conquered MS too!> > Gina> Hi Gina,What did you do to conquer MS.Thanks in advance!Linda for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The start of the story is at www.ginakopera.com it is soon to be updated. GinaJudith <sr1216 wrote: wow congrats. care to share how?>I have Conquered MS too!>> Gina>> Judith <sr1216 wrote:> someone I know has ms.. craved sardines which has omega 3..and some hot> peppers. >>>>>>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:>> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.>> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural>> remedy.>> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and>> to>> prescribe for your own health.>> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long>> as>> they behave themselves.>> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any>> person>> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.>> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products >> from>> list members, you are agreeing to>> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and>> members free of any liability.>>>> Dr. Ian Shillington>> Doctor of Naturopathy>> Dr.IanShillington>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Good points Terri. Sometimes our bodies lie to us, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't listen. Sometimes we just need to read between the lines and do what we know is right. My modus operandi is to look at the stats and base the direction of treatment from that. Is a condition improving or is it getting worse over a period of time??? If you can answer that question, you can decide on the efficacy of your program and whether or not you need to increase or decrease a certain protocol. In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - maddress herbal remedies Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:24 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question I agree fully - we need to listen to our bodies. They tell us a lot. But I also believe that sometimes we crave things that aren't good for us because our bodies need something that's in it (even though eating it is bad for us). I have a good example of this from my own life. Sometimes, especially in the summer, I don't eat a lot of grains. There are just so many good fruits and veggies during the summer, plus I don't want to bake bread or eat hot cereal when it's hot. But if I don't make sure that I get enough whole grains, I'll start craving something I would never eat otherwise - dough made out of white flour. YUCK! The first few times I started craving that I just could not figure out why I would crave something so disgusting and so bad for me. So I started paying attention. I realized that I wasn't eating enough grains. When I added more whole grains, the cravings stopped.I think what happens is, I used to eat foods made out of white flour all the time. White flour is enriched with synthetic vitamins. The body remembers it as a source of nutrients. Not enough vitamins from whole grains - body craves what it knows is a source. So I listen to my body, but I meet its needs with something I know is really good for it.Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Yes! You need a break from Echinacea. Just as you wouldn't keep turning the key in the ignition in your car, once your immune system fires up, you need to stop taking it. Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - maddress herbal remedies Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:55 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Hi New to Group With a Question First, diabetes isn't generally an autoimmune disease. It's generally a result of the highly processed "foods" that we put in our bodies. Do you have diabetes only or do you also have an autoimmune disease?Second, there is a huge difference between building up your state of health and your ability to resist disease and taking something that "revs up" the immune system (like echinacea). Anything that helps your general state of health will help you resist illness. Vitamin C, cod liver oil, etc. is very good for your general health, but it helps you resist disease in a different way than something like echinacea.Also, if you are taking echinacea on an ongoing basis, it may not be helping as much as you think. The last studies I read showed that while echinacea will provide a wonderful short-term boost to the immune system, it will not boost the immune system long-term. In other words, when you take echinacea, it revs up your immune system, but after a couple of weeks, the immune system returns to its normal state - even if you continue taking echinacea. My daughter takes it when she's been exposed to something, or at the very first sign of any cold/flu symptoms.Disclaimer - this is only what I believe with the knowledge I have now.Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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