Help with pap smear-mammogram

[Guest guest]

GOOD for you. I nursed all 11 of mine and had the last

one when I was 42. I have never had a mammogram either

and will not for the same reason as you.

Pat M

 

--- Terri Alberts <alberts wrote:

 

> I have yet to have a mammogram either... even though

> my mother harps on my " need " for one. I nursed all 5

> kids, have no symptoms and see no reason to subject

> myself to radiation!!

 

 

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not be afraid of friends; the worst they can do is betray you. Be afraid of the

indifferent; they do not kill or betray. But only because of their silent

agreement, betrayal and murder exist on earth. "

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[Guest guest]

Then can I ask who just went though an ordeal of having a mamagram and them finding a lump but THANKGOD it was nothing. How would you know if you have breast cancer or not if you did not do a mamagram????? Teri

 

In a message dated 11/15/05 12:48:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, bogduck writes:

GOOD for you. I nursed all 11 of mine and had the lastone when I was 42. I have never had a mammogram eitherand will not for the same reason as you.Pat M

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Create the inner world you want to live in, and your outer world will mirror it"

[Guest guest]

Hi Teri,

 

Having just gone through all these questions myself (I have a lump in my breast) I can answer that question:

 

A mammogram is an XRay - XRays can speed up a cancerous tumour, so is definitely NOT a good idea.

An Ultrasound CAN safely identify a lump. Perhaps not the first time, but if you get it re-done in another 6 months after the first one, a good technician CAN identify the lump simply by its behaviour over those 6 months.

The ONLY way to immediately 100% identify as to whether a tumour is benign or malignant is an biopsy. However, a biopsy carries a risk if the tumour is malignant: before the biopsy, the tumour is an enclosed lump of cells - it encloses itself with a safety net so to speak to protect itself. Puncturing this protective net will open the tumour, allowing it to spread (fast) to other areas!! So, this is not recommended LOL.

 

Naturopathically, there is no difference in the program in handling a tumour, whether it is benign or malignant the program is the same. So therefore it is not necessary to know the difference. I have struggled hard and long over the last 4 months: I really, really wanted to know whether I had/have cancer, but just was never prepared to take the risk of the biopsy, so I still don't know. But judging by its behaviour, and by what the technician told me when I had the scan done, I don't think it is.

 

When I went to the hospital initially, I had 3 different staff trying to persuade me to have the mammogram and biopsy!! Definitely lots of pressure to bear on me, but I continued to refuse. Later I found out from my GPs office that in actual fact a mammogram is not totally necessary (they just like to do one to make their job easier), as a scan really can tell more than what they let on!!

 

Anyhow, the safest bet is still Doc's Incurables Program!!

 

love

Lisa

 

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ABellaSoul

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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:53 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

 

 

Then can I ask who just went though an ordeal of having a mamagram and them finding a lump but THANKGOD it was nothing. How would you know if you have breast cancer or not if you did not do a mamagram????? Teri

[Guest guest]

Well we can agree to disagree. Cuz if they did not do a mamagram and found a cancerous lump on my Auntie then she would be dead today. Maybe you are right but I don't have enough info to make that decision. I really don't like getting my boobs smashed NOPE I SURE DON'T not fun at all...Teri

 

 

In a message dated 11/16/05 11:56:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, DocShillington writes:

 

Dear Teri,

Do you know what a cancerous tumor feels like under the skin???

Do you know what a swollen or infected milk duct feels like???

Have you ever been taught how to examine yourself???

This is what you need to learn for yourself rather than getting your boobs irradiated, squished and mangled in a mammogram.

;-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Create the inner world you want to live in, and your outer world will mirror it"

[Guest guest]

Good for you Pat.

Mammograms and Pap Smears, when used indiscriminitly are DANGEROUS.

If you don't have a lump or bump already there, why worry about it.

When I hear Medicos tell women that they should get a Mammogram and a Pap smear every year or every six months, I'm disgusted. These can CAUSE Cancer. It is Medical abuse.

Who knows your body better than you?????????

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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Pat M.

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Monday, November 14, 2005 8:12 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

GOOD for you. I nursed all 11 of mine and had the lastone when I was 42. I have never had a mammogram eitherand will not for the same reason as you.Pat M

[Guest guest]

Dear Teri,

Do you know what a cancerous tumor feels like under the skin???

Do you know what a swollen or infected milk duct feels like???

Have you ever been taught how to examine yourself???

This is what you need to learn for yourself rather than getting your boobs irradiated, squished and mangled in a mammogram.

;-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

PS. If you have an existing lump, check out the Breast Exercises in the files. Straightened out more boob bumps with that one. LOL

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:53 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

 

 

Then can I ask who just went though an ordeal of having a mamagram and them finding a lump but THANKGOD it was nothing. How would you know if you have breast cancer or not if you did not do a mamagram????? Teri

 

In a message dated 11/15/05 12:48:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, bogduck writes:

GOOD for you. I nursed all 11 of mine and had the lastone when I was 42. I have never had a mammogram eitherand will not for the same reason as you.Pat M

[Guest guest]

Hey Doc,

Love what you said and Iam with ya, but how do you know a lump from just being a cyst or fatty tissue from cancer. I just went through the whole anxiety thing with the mamagram place and I was a wreck thinking I had breast cancer cuz they found a lump, I could not feel a lump or anything. Now say it was cancer thankGOD it wasn't but lets say it was. I could not feel anything so I would of never gone and I would of been done for cuz as we know early detection is key. Do you have websites I can look at or something. I mean I would LOVE never to have a mamagram again GOD ONLY KNOWS...LOL <Smile> Teri

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/05 1:43:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, DocShillington writes:

 

Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.

Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.

You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.

A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Create the inner world you want to live in, and your outer world will mirror it"

[Guest guest]

Well Suzanne Sommers Did the samething and she still got breast cancer she ate right, exercise and even had diet books out so you never know...Teri

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/05 2:36:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, jalisic579 writes:

I would say that you always can have ultrasound or now thermogram is available.But if you do cleanses, if you eat right, if you thinkright you are not at risk. I had the same problem butI did only ultrasound. When they decided to do biopsy,I said no. I did cleanse, breast excercise, evening primrose oil,vitamin E. hot/cold showers, good diet, and no cysts.RegardsJasmina

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Create the inner world you want to live in, and your outer world will mirror it"

[Guest guest]

Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.

Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.

You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.

A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:19 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

 

 

Well we can agree to disagree. Cuz if they did not do a mamagram and found a cancerous lump on my Auntie then she would be dead today. Maybe you are right but I don't have enough info to make that decision. I really don't like getting my boobs smashed NOPE I SURE DON'T not fun at all...Teri

 

 

In a message dated 11/16/05 11:56:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, DocShillington writes:

 

Dear Teri,

Do you know what a cancerous tumor feels like under the skin???

Do you know what a swollen or infected milk duct feels like???

Have you ever been taught how to examine yourself???

This is what you need to learn for yourself rather than getting your boobs irradiated, squished and mangled in a mammogram.

;-)

In Health and Love,

Doc

[Guest guest]

I totally agree, Doc! I have a brother-in-law that went through a T-cell transplant to cure his cancer a few years ago (maybe 5). Well, yes, it cured his cancer; but now he is dying as the result of the treatment according to his cancer specialists. You can say he has had five more years, but these five years has been hell. He lost every tooth in his head, he's 52 and looks more like 90. I've seen many 90 years old men that is in better health than he. He can barely eat. He vomits every day, and I could go on; but I think you get the picture.

 

 

Irene

imclark

 

 

 

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Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

11/17/2005 4:39:51 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.

Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.

You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.

A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

[Guest guest]

I would say that you always can have ultrasound or

now thermogram is available.

But if you do cleanses, if you eat right, if you think

right you are not at risk. I had the same problem but

I did only ultrasound. When they decided to do biopsy,

I said no.

I did cleanse, breast excercise, evening primrose oil,

vitamin E. hot/cold showers, good diet, and no cysts.

Regards

Jasmina

--- ABellaSoul wrote:

 

>

>

> Hey Doc,

> Love what you said and Iam with ya, but how do you

> know a lump from just

> being a cyst or fatty tissue from cancer. I just

> went through the whole anxiety

> thing with the mamagram place and I was a wreck

> thinking I had breast cancer

> cuz they found a lump, I could not feel a lump or

> anything. Now say it was

> cancer thankGOD it wasn't but lets say it was. I

> could not feel anything so I

> would of never gone and I would of been done for cuz

> as we know early

> detection is key. Do you have websites I can look at

> or something. I mean I would

> LOVE never to have a mamagram again GOD ONLY

> KNOWS...LOL <Smile> Teri

>

>

> In a message dated 11/17/05 1:43:45 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> DocShillington writes:

>

> Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to

> disagree. :-)

> How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if

> she'd gone a more natural

> route, or learned how to do a top notch self

> examination so she could deduce

> these things for herself?????????????

> There's no substitute for learning these things for

> yourself so YOU can make

> the educated decision rather than leaving it all up

> to the Medico and

> placing your life in his hands.

> Part of natural healing is in taking full

> responsibility.

> You are where you are today, because of decisions

> you made yesterday.

> Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the

> decisions you make today.

> You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as

> we decide to get up in

> the morning or sleep in.

> A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a

> decision.

> Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each

> of us decides to write

> our own story as we go along. We're also free to

> tear the pages or throw it

> away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous

> beauty and magnitude.

> In Health and Love,

> Doc

>

>

>

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> " Create the inner world you want to live in,

> and your outer world will mirror it "

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to go out on a limb here, but there are other ways for

you body to tell you there are things wrong.

I had problems with a ovary and wasn't feeling any type of pain from

it, but I was told that I had problems

with a female organ when I had a healing touch therapy session. I

have also been told that my thyroid isn't

functioning correctly when I had a reflexolgy session. I do have

hypothyroidism and that is why I am taking

control of my health. These are just two experiences I have had, I

don't normally share them, because so many

people don't understand alternative healing. Please don't judge.

 

Christine :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc,

 

Just wanted to applaud you on how you put that across Doc ! I am one

of those people who took the natural route for my cancer. A very

personal decision...one I am incredibly grateful that I took. This

is my second bout with cancer..1st time at age 28 (cervical) with

only a biopsy and no treatment....now my breast cancer which was

diagnosed at age 44..I will soon be 46 also no treatment. I have

done many protocols including the Incurables Program which I must

say is a fantastic protocol whether you have cancer or not. I just

wished at age 28 I was doing what I am doing now. Young at the time

and not watching my health..not a good thing... probably would have

made a big difference if I had know better..the second bout may have

not occurred. Big wake up call with the second cancer...anyhow I am

doing wonderful and feel better now then ever before. I just have to

ditto Doc's words her " Part of natural healing is in taking full

responsibility " . All the best of health from my house to yours !!

 

Hugs Mustang......

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington "

<DocShillington@K...> wrote:

>

> Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

> How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a

more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self

examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

> There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so

YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to

the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

> Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

> You are where you are today, because of decisions you made

yesterday.

> Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you

make today.

> You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to

get up in the morning or sleep in.

> A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

> Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides

to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the

pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous

beauty and magnitude.

> In Health and Love,

> Doc

[Guest guest]

Christine,

 

No one will judge you. This group is great. They are here to help everyone. I've learned a lot about my body with reflexology and I also use VoiceBio to learn my weak areas.

 

 

Irene

imclark

 

 

 

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Chris

herbal remedies

11/18/2005 3:45:09 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

I am going to go out on a limb here, but there are other ways for you body to tell you there are things wrong. I had problems with a ovary and wasn't feeling any type of pain from it, but I was told that I had problems with a female organ when I had a healing touch therapy session. I have also been told that my thyroid isn't functioning correctly when I had a reflexology session. I do have hypothyroidism and that is why I am taking control of my health. These are just two experiences I have had, I don't normally share them, because so many people don't understand alternative healing. Please don't judge. Christine

[Guest guest]

Would you tell us something about vocebio.

I never heard.

Regards

Jasmina

 

--- " imclark " <imclark

wrote:

 

> Christine,

>

> No one will judge you. This group is great. They

> are here to help everyone. I've learned a lot about

> my body with reflexology and I also use VoiceBio to

> learn my weak areas.

>

> Irene

> imclark

>

>

> -

> Chris

> herbal remedies

> 11/18/2005 3:45:09 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap

> smear-mammogram

>

>

> I am going to go out on a limb here, but there

> are other ways for

> you body to tell you there are things wrong.

> I had problems with a ovary and wasn't feeling

> any type of pain from

> it, but I was told that I had problems

> with a female organ when I had a healing touch

> therapy session. I

> have also been told that my thyroid isn't

> functioning correctly when I had a reflexology

> session. I do have

> hypothyroidism and that is why I am taking

> control of my health. These are just two

> experiences I have had, I

> don't normally share them, because so many

> people don't understand alternative healing.

> Please don't judge.

>

> Christine

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to recommend a book: " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Breast Cancer " by Dr. John Lee. I read this book soon after my

mom died of inflammatory breast cancer (not detectable by mammogram)

and it convinced me not to ever get another mammogram. Besides the

fact that my gynecologist said that since my mom died of breast

cancer, I needed a mammogram every year. Did he not get the point that

the type of cancer she had was not detectable in mammograms. Or maybe

he didn't get the point that she got the cancer because she was put on

Prempro (proven to cause cancer soon after her diagnosis) for four

years for bone strength (they eventually found out she didn't have

osteoporosis).

 

It's all a game of statistics and which way you want to interpret

them. From what I read in the book, women are not living longer

because of mammograms. Mammograms are picking up more ductal cancer

which is usually not a problem and very curable and not picked up

before mammograms were done. You add these statistics into the regular

breast cancer statistics and you get more " cures. " I don't think I'm

explaining it well but read the book.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Dear Teri,

A cancerous tumor is very hard like a marble, where an infected milk duct or swollen glands are soft.

I tend to go by the overall health of an individual and somewhat operate on the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of attitude when it comes to this sort of thing. Another old adage that is applicable is, "If you go looking for trouble, you'll usually find it". If you focus on health, happiness and keeping your life non stressful, you'll find you'll cruise through your day.

Another thing. Stop watching so damned much TV!!!!!!!!!!

You shouldn't eat garbage, so why let it into your mind.

The doom and gloom portrayed by the Merchants of Chaos is enough to get the toughest of us down.

All the News on TV is bad. If it isn't terrorists, it's Avian Bird Flu, or Hurricanes or ... You get the idea.

Try keeping the TV turned off for a two week period. You'll feel much better and far more productive.

If you've got kids, get some Scrabble games or other board games and start doing family type stuff.

TV is deadly!!!!!!

In Health and Love,

Doc

PS. The List website is: http://www.academyofnaturalhealing.com

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:13 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

 

 

Hey Doc,

Love what you said and Iam with ya, but how do you know a lump from just being a cyst or fatty tissue from cancer. I just went through the whole anxiety thing with the mamagram place and I was a wreck thinking I had breast cancer cuz they found a lump, I could not feel a lump or anything. Now say it was cancer thankGOD it wasn't but lets say it was. I could not feel anything so I would of never gone and I would of been done for cuz as we know early detection is key. Do you have websites I can look at or something. I mean I would LOVE never to have a mamagram again GOD ONLY KNOWS...LOL <Smile> Teri

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/05 1:43:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, DocShillington writes:

 

Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.

Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.

You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.

A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.

In Health and Love,

Doc

[Guest guest]

Excellent point Irene.

What's life without a little quality to it???

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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imclark

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

I totally agree, Doc! I have a brother-in-law that went through a T-cell transplant to cure his cancer a few years ago (maybe 5). Well, yes, it cured his cancer; but now he is dying as the result of the treatment according to his cancer specialists. You can say he has had five more years, but these five years has been hell. He lost every tooth in his head, he's 52 and looks more like 90. I've seen many 90 years old men that is in better health than he. He can barely eat. He vomits every day, and I could go on; but I think you get the picture.

 

 

Irene

imclark

 

 

 

-

Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

11/17/2005 4:39:51 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

 

Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)

How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????

There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.

Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.

You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.

Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.

You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.

A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.

Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.

In Health and Love,

Doc

[Guest guest]

Dear Christine,

You certainly won't be "judged" here on Herbal Remedies - The King of Alternative sites. LOL

Obviously, you've taken that first step - to decide to take full responsibility for your condition.

This is very admirable.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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Chris

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:41 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

I am going to go out on a limb here, but there are other ways for you body to tell you there are things wrong. I had problems with a ovary and wasn't feeling any type of pain from it, but I was told that I had problems with a female organ when I had a healing touch therapy session. I have also been told that my thyroid isn't functioning correctly when I had a reflexolgy session. I do have hypothyroidism and that is why I am taking control of my health. These are just two experiences I have had, I don't normally share them, because so many people don't understand alternative healing. Please don't judge. Christine :-)

[Guest guest]

Welllllllllll, thanks Mustang for the kind words.

 

And big kudos to you for taking that responsibility. Your success story is inspiring to say the least. I'd love to see all those with Cancer take the leap that you have. Ya done good Kiddo. :-)

 

When all is said and done, we have ourselves, our acts and our decisions to show the mark we've left. And ultimately, it is we who decide whether or not it was a life well lived.

 

In Health and Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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Chris

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:55 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

Hi Doc,Just wanted to applaud you on how you put that across Doc ! I am one of those people who took the natural route for my cancer. A very personal decision...one I am incredibly grateful that I took. This is my second bout with cancer..1st time at age 28 (cervical) with only a biopsy and no treatment....now my breast cancer which was diagnosed at age 44..I will soon be 46 also no treatment. I have done many protocols including the Incurables Program which I must say is a fantastic protocol whether you have cancer or not. I just wished at age 28 I was doing what I am doing now. Young at the time and not watching my health..not a good thing... probably would have made a big difference if I had know better..the second bout may have not occurred. Big wake up call with the second cancer...anyhow I am doing wonderful and feel better now then ever before. I just have to ditto Doc's words her "Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility". All the best of health from my house to yours !!Hugs Mustang......herbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington@K...> wrote:>> Welllllllllllll, I don't know that we have to disagree. :-)> How do you really know old Auntie would be dead if she'd gone a more natural route, or learned how to do a top notch self examination so she could deduce these things for herself?????????????> There's no substitute for learning these things for yourself so YOU can make the educated decision rather than leaving it all up to the Medico and placing your life in his hands.> Part of natural healing is in taking full responsibility.> You are where you are today, because of decisions you made yesterday.> Where you will be tomorrow is dependent upon the decisions you make today.> You and I are free to decide our own fates, just as we decide to get up in the morning or sleep in.> A direction in LIFE is always preceded by a decision.> Life is kind of like an empty open book, where each of us decides to write our own story as we go along. We're also free to tear the pages or throw it away. Then again, it can be an opus of tremendous beauty and magnitude.> In Health and Love,> Doc

[Guest guest]

You explained it beautifully Jackie.

Thanks for the input.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

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Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:27 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Help with pap smear-mammogram

I just wanted to recommend a book: "What Your Doctor May Not Tell YouAbout Breast Cancer" by Dr. John Lee. I read this book soon after mymom died of inflammatory breast cancer (not detectable by mammogram)and it convinced me not to ever get another mammogram. Besides thefact that my gynecologist said that since my mom died of breastcancer, I needed a mammogram every year. Did he not get the point thatthe type of cancer she had was not detectable in mammograms. Or maybehe didn't get the point that she got the cancer because she was put onPrempro (proven to cause cancer soon after her diagnosis) for fouryears for bone strength (they eventually found out she didn't haveosteoporosis).It's all a game of statistics and which way you want to interpretthem. From what I read in the book, women are not living longerbecause of mammograms. Mammograms are picking up more ductal cancerwhich is usually not a problem and very curable and not picked upbefore mammograms were done. You add these statistics into the regularbreast cancer statistics and you get more "cures." I don't think I'mexplaining it well but read the book.Jackie

[Guest guest]

When we moved we left the TV behind and we never

missed in fact it was ablessing. We started to get

things done and a good nights sleep. I agree on this

one. Thanks Doc.

Also if one worrys about every little lump they soon

become sick from the stress.

Pat M

 

--- " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

wrote:

 

> Dear Teri,

> A cancerous tumor is very hard like a marble, where

> an infected milk duct or swollen glands are soft.

> I tend to go by the overall health of an individual

> and somewhat operate on the " If it ain't broke,

> don't fix it " type of attitude when it comes to this

> sort of thing. Another old adage that is applicable

> is, " If you go looking for trouble, you'll usually

> find it " . If you focus on health, happiness and

> keeping your life non stressful, you'll find you'll

> cruise through your day.

> Another thing. Stop watching so damned much

> TV!!!!!!!!!!

> You shouldn't eat garbage, so why let it into your

> mind.

> The doom and gloom portrayed by the Merchants of

> Chaos is enough to get the toughest of us down.

> All the News on TV is bad. If it isn't terrorists,

> it's Avian Bird Flu, or Hurricanes or ... You get

> the idea.

> Try keeping the TV turned off for a two week period.

> You'll feel much better and far more productive.

> If you've got kids, get some Scrabble games or other

> board games and start doing family type stuff.

> TV is deadly!!!!!!

> In Health and Love,

> Doc

 

 

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I have told my children that the best advice I can give them for raising their

own children is to get rid of the TV. It's such garbage and our children just

drink it in. It's no wonder we live in such a crazy world.

 

Terri

 

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" Pat M. " <bogduck

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Re: Herbal Remedies - Help with pap smear-mammogram

Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:45:57 -0800 (PST)

 

>

> When we moved we left the TV behind and we never

> missed in fact it was ablessing. We started to get

> things done and a good nights sleep. I agree on this

> one. Thanks Doc.

> Also if one worrys about every little lump they soon

> become sick from the stress.

> Pat M

>

> --- " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Teri,

> > A cancerous tumor is very hard like a marble, where

> > an infected milk duct or swollen glands are soft.

> > I tend to go by the overall health of an individual

> > and somewhat operate on the " If it ain't broke,

> > don't fix it " type of attitude when it comes to this

> > sort of thing. Another old adage that is applicable

> > is, " If you go looking for trouble, you'll usually

> > find it " . If you focus on health, happiness and

> > keeping your life non stressful, you'll find you'll

> > cruise through your day.

> > Another thing. Stop watching so damned much

> > TV!!!!!!!!!!

> > You shouldn't eat garbage, so why let it into your

> > mind.

> > The doom and gloom portrayed by the Merchants of

> > Chaos is enough to get the toughest of us down.

> > All the News on TV is bad. If it isn't terrorists,

> > it's Avian Bird Flu, or Hurricanes or ... You get

> > the idea.

> > Try keeping the TV turned off for a two week period.

> > You'll feel much better and far more productive.

> > If you've got kids, get some Scrabble games or other

> > board games and start doing family type stuff.

> > TV is deadly!!!!!!

> > In Health and Love,

> > Doc

>

>

> " Do not be afraid of enemies; the worst they can do is to kill you. Do

> not be afraid of friends; the worst they can do is betray you. Be

> afraid of the indifferent; they do not kill or betray. But only

> because of their silent agreement, betrayal and murder exist on

> earth. "

> - - -- Bruno Yasienski - " The Plot of the Indifferent " (1937)

>

>

>

>

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