Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Hi all, I'm sort of confused regarding coding for grocery produce. I know that, for example, the produce code for bananas is #4011. This 4-digit # beginning with a " 4 " denotes that it was grown conventionally. I also know that if they were to tack on a " 9 " at the front of the number (#94011), then that means the product was grown organically, meaning no GMOs and no harmful chemicals. I also heard that to tack an " 8 " on to the beginning of the number (#84011) would mean that the produce was genetically-engineered. I've seen #4011 bananas and #94011 bananas, but never #84011, so I don't know if the latter number is in use. The confusion enters the picture when speaking of conventional produce. My question is, must genetically-engineered bananas carry the #84011 code? Am I safe in buying conventionally-grown #4011 bananas? Or might I be buying GMO produce? Could GMO produce masquerade under the regular 4-digit numbers? Sorry if this's confusing, I tried to articulate it as best I could. Blessings, --Jyoti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 You know, that is an excellent question. Makes me think again about soy and soy products. I live in the country and the farmers here now grow soy, subsidized by the government, instead of tobacco. Anyway, the farmer's were spraying the field of seedlings in the field next to my house and I asked if it was a nutrient or something and the farmer said oh no, it's ROUND-UP. Can you believe that?! I asked how that could be, wouldn't that kill the sproutlings? He said no, it's genetically modified and can withstand the round-up. I'm just floored. So how good is all this soy anyway? I mean really? Debra - supervixen08 herbal remedies Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:40 PM Herbal Remedies - organic, conventional, or GMO? Hi all,I'm sort of confused regarding coding for grocery produce.I know that, for example, the produce code for bananas is #4011. This 4-digit # beginning with a "4" denotes that it was grown conventionally. I also know that if they were to tack on a "9" at the front of the number (#94011), then that means the product was grown organically, meaning no GMOs and no harmful chemicals. I also heard that to tack an "8" on to the beginning of the number (#84011) would mean that the produce was genetically-engineered. I've seen #4011 bananas and #94011 bananas, but never #84011, so I don't know if the latter number is in use.The confusion enters the picture when speaking of conventional produce. My question is, must genetically-engineered bananas carry the #84011 code? Am I safe in buying conventionally-grown #4011 bananas? Or might I be buying GMO produce? Could GMO produce masquerade under the regular 4-digit numbers?Sorry if this's confusing, I tried to articulate it as best I could. :)Blessings,--Jyoti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Yum, yum - just what I want to do is eat Round-up. I knew things were bad but this is ridiculous! This totally supports my decision to buy organic. Jackie >>Message: 14 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:20:37 -0400 " Debra Savage " <gdwmn65 Re: organic, conventional, or GMO? You know, that is an excellent question. Makes me think again about soy and soy products. I live in the country and the farmers here now grow soy, subsidized by the government, instead of tobacco. Anyway, the farmer's were spraying the field of seedlings in the field next to my house and I asked if it was a nutrient or something and the farmer said oh no, it's ROUND-UP. Can you believe that?! I asked how that could be, wouldn't that kill the sproutlings? He said no, it's genetically modified and can withstand the round-up. I'm just floored. So how good is all this soy anyway? I mean really? Debra<< Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 To throw another spin on the ball... Consider the phenomenon of what is called " Biological Magnification " , which is the fact that for every level up the food chain you go, the amount of impurities in food increases by a factor of about 10. You might have heard of toxicity levels of particular chemicals or impurities referred to in terms of a certain number of parts per billion, usually when talking about air or water. But this is true for plants and animals, too. And it increases the higher you go. Plants absorb what's in the air. Primary consumers (herbivore animals) absorb what's in plants, which have already absorbed what's in the air. Secondary consumers (carnivores) absorb everything up till this point in the same fashion, and so on. Think of how much grain (usually not grass anymore, because grain is more fattening) a cow eats before going to slaughter. Their bodies can't process the massive levels of impurities it's being bombarded with any more than ours can. So these toxins collect in the tissues. Every time we eat animal flesh, we're getting concentrated doses of impurities from every level below. What starts out as a few parts per billion in the air becomes literally tens of thousands of ppb by the time it reaches us. That IS one of the reasons I went vegetarian! (And I do get more than enough protein, btw. It's all about the organic soy, rice, milk, and food combining.) herbal remedies , " J. Sweigart " <sweigart1> wrote: > > Yum, yum - just what I want to do is eat Round-up. I > knew things were bad but this is ridiculous! This > totally supports my decision to buy organic. > > Jackie > > >>Message: 14 > Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:20:37 -0400 > " Debra Savage " <gdwmn65@v...> > Re: organic, conventional, or GMO? > > You know, that is an excellent question. Makes me > think again about > soy and soy products. > > I live in the country and the farmers here now grow > soy, subsidized by > the government, instead of tobacco. Anyway, the > farmer's were spraying > the field of seedlings in the field next to my house > and I asked if it > was a nutrient or something and the farmer said oh no, > it's ROUND-UP. > Can you believe that?! I asked how that could be, > wouldn't that kill > the sproutlings? He said no, it's genetically > modified and can > withstand the round-up. I'm just floored. So how > good is all this soy anyway? > I mean really? > > Debra<< > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 And it's not just soy, either. Corn, potatoes, and a whole slew of processed AND other raw whole foods can be GE/GMO as well. And while we're on this subject, I THINK my question has been answered. From http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/education/articles-detail.asp?Main_ID=520 Produce PLU Codes Reveal If It's Organic, Transgenic or Conventional At the checkout counter, supermarket cashiers now rely on PLU (Price Look Up) codes to identify fruits and vegetables quickly, which ensures that the price is entered correctly. That way, you won't have to rely on the cashier for knowing the difference, both in look and price, between a Fuji apple and a Gala. But the PLU of a fruit or vegetable can also provide information to consumers—whether it was genetically engineered, grown by organic methods or grown by conventional methods. What to Look For Each type of fruit or vegetable carries the PLU: * on stickers on individual fruits and vegetables, like apples and winter squash, * on tags used to hold together bunches of lettuce, broccoli and other similar loose vegetables, * or on bags of produce such as potatoes or onions. PLUs consist of 4 to 5 numbers. * 4 numbers = conventional produce * 5 numbers, starting with 9 = organic produce * 5 numbers, starting with 8 = genetically engineered produce ----------- herbal remedies , " Debra Savage " <gdwmn65@v...> wrote: > > You know, that is an excellent question. Makes me think again about soy and soy products. > > I live in the country and the farmers here now grow soy, subsidized by the government, instead of tobacco. Anyway, the farmer's were spraying the field of seedlings in the field next to my house and I asked if it was a nutrient or something and the farmer said oh no, it's ROUND-UP. Can you believe that?! I asked how that could be, wouldn't that kill the sproutlings? He said no, it's genetically modified and can withstand the round-up. I'm just floored. So how good is all this soy anyway? I mean really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Jackie, You are not kidding. I'm still blown away by that. I wonder if all food is that way when grown by large growers. You know, however, they don't or can't do that when they grow wheat. Maybe it's just atomic soy. Ha Ha. I'll have to watch more closely to what they do, because I think they do it with the corn. That's feed corn for animals, not for people, but still.... Debra - J. Sweigart herbal remedies Friday, October 14, 2005 8:40 AM Herbal Remedies - Re: organic, conventional, or GMO? Yum, yum - just what I want to do is eat Round-up. Iknew things were bad but this is ridiculous! Thistotally supports my decision to buy organic.Jackie>>Message: 14 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:20:37 -0400 "Debra Savage" <gdwmn65Re: organic, conventional, or GMO?You know, that is an excellent question. Makes methink again about soy and soy products.I live in the country and the farmers here now growsoy, subsidized by the government, instead of tobacco. Anyway, thefarmer's were spraying the field of seedlings in the field next to my houseand I asked if it was a nutrient or something and the farmer said oh no,it's ROUND-UP. Can you believe that?! I asked how that could be,wouldn't that kill the sproutlings? He said no, it's geneticallymodified and can withstand the round-up. I'm just floored. So howgood is all this soy anyway? I mean really?Debra<< Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Yes, That's creepy isn't it. We kill our own beef, pork and chicken, so we have a good handle on what goes in them, except that we really don't know what's on/in the feed. So you are right, it's a huge creepy circle. You know, we think we are doing well by not purchasing any meat - no hormones, toxins, etc. But really we don't know how the feed is grown, so there you go. Debra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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