Quality of EO's ** Suppliers

[Guest guest]

Butch,

 

I was responding to what seemed to me a slur on eo's from England.

 

I did read your post.

 

It also seemed to me that people think you are the only supplier of good

eo's and that just ain't so. You have some great ones, but so do others. I

was letting them know.

As for posting the website of the one I know in England, I don't normally

give my sources. If you want it privately, just ask.

 

People from SNOI, I heard, went to prison too. *shrug*

 

Can't reply to anymore. I'm dead tired and it's late and haveta get up at o

dark thirty.

 

Warm regards,

Janine Phariss

www.BlueSageNaturals.com

Unique & Innovative Herbals

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Janine,

 

I'm not sure of the purpose of your post .. unless its to reemphasize

what I wrote in my original.

 

> England has *superb* eo's.

 

Do they got a website? I wanna see it. And what degrees of excellence

is above or below *superb*? ;-p

 

England is the same as America or Oz or any other country .. got some

good companies and some slicky boys. And .. there are far fewer main

sources of EO in England than in the USA .. so bet your booty that many

of the Retailers there are purchasing from the same wholesaler.

 

Two of the wholesalers there were caught with their pants down. Both

incidents were reported in correspondence and both were published on the

Idma list, this list, and other lists. Not saying conditions haven't

changed .. and not saying the two incidents were due to wickedness ..

might have been due to carelessness .. matters a bit I reckon but the

results were the same regardless of intent. The reason I even mention

this is to disagree with the credibility of a statement that a " country "

rather than a " company " has good oils. England produces FEW essential

oils .. they buy almost all of them from outside sources.

 

> I agree that Butch has some fine eo's, but he is not the only supplier

> with fine eo's.

 

Nobody said that I was .. Carol didn't say that. She just said she

preferred mine to the companies she had dealt with in Canada ..

 

I didn't say that. I personally wrote:

 

> I recommend you get samples when you can .. and/or buy in the

> smallest sizes you can. Even then, you're not going to find any

> one supplier who will offer ALL of the oils you will personally

> decide are the BEST for YOU.

 

Maybe someone else said that and I didn't get that post.

 

> He may be the only one on this list with quantities of them, but there

> are many suppliers out 'there' with great eo's.

 

No doubt about it. Some of them get some of their oils from me .. some

get them from other sources. But there are folks out and about who

have good oils .. even though some of them might not REALLY know this

themselves. ;-p

 

Wanna know why they got good oils? I'll tell you anyway. Unless a

seller is buying the cheapest Commercial grade crap they can find .. or

buying from a source that manipulates them in some manner to increase

their own profits, they will be buying oils from agents or wholesalers

(depending on their volume of purchase) who are obtaining the oils from

the SAME DISTILLERS somewhere in this world.

 

Distillers are not like Waffle Houses or Shoneys or KFC where there is

one at every exit on the Interstate. There are not all that many in any

given country. Most essential oils are produced in Third World and/or

Emerging Market countries. In such countries, getting together the $$$

to keep one's family alive is difficult .. getting together the $$$$$$$

to build a distillation facility is a damn hard thing to do. Often it

requires 3-4 men to pool their money and invest.

 

One doesn't invest the MINIMUM of $250,000 (which gets you two each 500

kilo stills and the buildings to house them) unless they plan to produce

a lot of oils .. meaning, they gotta produce'em and sell'em world-wide

and all year (with the exception of a few oils like Rose Otto which is

harvested and distilled within a 6-7 week period). And there are NO

small scale " modern " Rose Otto distillation operations .. NONE!!!!

 

The distillers have to produce quality oils .. if not, they are stuck

with a busted investment. I know every distiller in Turkey .. and his

family .. and his economic conditions. Though I don't know all the

distillers in other countries I know many and I know of some that are

operating ancient and inefficient equipment that was put together by

jacklaig mechanics .. that didn't make a sufficient investment in

infrastructure and are about to go under. They are the dangerous ones

cause they will do what they can to stay above water .. like stretching

oils during distillation. They live for TODAY and have no long-term

prospects for staying in business.

 

Then you have the leaches .. which odds are none of you will be able to

purchase oils from anyway. They are foreign companies who fall in on a

country (like two French firms have done in Turkey) and create a foreign

invested company. They purchase aromatic plants from the locals but the

oils they distill go back to their parent companies in France. And they

even get tax rebates for exporting. ;-(

 

Some useful trivia .. two each 500 kilo stills is a small operation.

Depending on the oil (but I'll use Origanum vulgare for an example) the

yield is so low that such small stills are like trying to fill a barrel

of water with a tea cup. A metric ton of Origanum vulgare flowers and

upper leaves will produce between 16-18 kilograms of essential oil.

This means to fill a small order of 100 kilos (thats a very small order)

they have to keep those two stills operating 24 hours a day for for two

days. That is costly in materials, energy and labor. So understand

that such distillers do not operating on a basis of TODAY only .. though

they do often operate on a shoestring. Often, I purchase the aromatics

and furnish them for my own oils because a distiller doesn't have the

cash flow to do so .. he's filling another order and has his cash tied

up in the aromatics needed to fill that order.

 

> A good supplier is sometimes hard to find. I have found four, and two

> are the distillers.

 

A good supplier is almost ALWAYS difficult to find. Not a lot different

than a good spouse. Not because folks are dishonest .. but many married

folks have had no training in marital relations except that they got by

watching their parents .. who might have gotten theirs the same way and

it might have been bad training. Same with suppliers who don't know

their butt from shinola or a good oil from an adulterated oil. Its more

ignorance than it is dishonesty when you get down to the making marriage

work or selling essential oils at the Retail level.

 

Come to think on it .. good suppliers are probably easier to find than

are good spouses. ;-9

 

> No offense to Dennis as I know he used to distill his own, [dunno if

> he still does, no pun intended], but I haven't tried his and he is not

> included in the above 4.

 

Dennis wouldn't be offended cause he's not from England or America ..

he's from Oz .. and is/was known world-wide as perhaps the most honest

and efficient distiller and source of Australian essential oils. The

reason I no longer offer Australian Hydrosols is because Dennis is not

distilling anymore. When he did, he was my ONLY source in Australia.

 

> To limit yourself to one supplier puts you at risk if they ever run

> out and limits your choices as one person can't have all the oils in

> the world.

 

Yep .. that's what I wrote. Next time .. you might wanna read slower ..

or more carefully. ;-) But to add to your comment, the more oils a

person has the more likely they are to have many that are not so good.

 

> Warm regards,

> Janine Phariss

> www.BlueSageNaturals.com

> Unique & Innovative Herbals

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com