Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Hey butch; I have to say- you are one of the most thorough in your answers of any list I belong to, and I greatly appreciate it!!! I have ordered from two people so far, and have a third 'in the mail' can't wait for it to arrive either!! I have been really happy with the service of the people I have been dealing with so far(well, all except for one- but I didn't buy EO's either) I place small 'test' orders first so I can get an idea of who I am dealing with. I have been lucky<well, my kind of luck anyhow!!> enough to have mistakes with two of the ones I have dealt with and they were both resolved expeditiously. Some of the EO's are icky, and although they are supposed to have great properties, I don't know if I'll be using them all that often, though it could be that I've blended them 'wrong'. Some smell exactly like I though they would, and some are a pleasant surprise. I see what you mean about your marketing comment- an intelligent shopper would be easily able to find the best prices, and different qualities and grades of EO's with just a bit of work, after all, I did- oh wait I just said I was intelligent<g> As for origin of oils- I did compare origins as well- my rosemary is from Tunisia-hate it- but will look into some from other places as well. And please excuse my ignorance- but what EXACTLY is a fractionated oil?? One final question- how do you feel about the quality of EO's available from FPI? I can give you the web-site if you need it- but I thought I'd ask since they seem to be bulk suppliers- and probably for some retailers as well. Don't know if I want 500ml of each oil but WAAAYY cheaper than everyone else out there. Cheaper on many carrier oils as well. Thanks Nicole Veliraf Farm Nicole Heath http://www.angelfire.com/nh/veliraf Does the name Pavlov ring a bell ? .. To begin with .. in addition to getting oils you like for what you consider as being a fair price, you have to look at the service the seller offers. Service is important in all aspects of life. > I looked around for a while before I purchased, and yes- I did try to > go with the most reasonable price. But .. the most reasonable price takes into consideration not only the size of the bottle .. but the origin of the oil. Many essential oils are 2 X or 3 X the price of another of the same size due to the origin alone .. and well worth that difference. So when comparing, take that into consideration. > For example since Ylang Ylang is the only(??) oil that is graded Sorta .. its not really graded .. well, maybe it is. Naa .. it ain't. Its 4 or 5 .. sometimes a ridiculous 6 allegedly different oils with different chemical profiles. Ylang Ylang is the only oil I know of that is accepted as a fractionated oil by ALL aromatherapists. Not at all .. depends again on whether they are Commercial Grade or Aromatherapy Grade. But price variances are determined by a lot of things .. I'll name a few .. other folks can add more. 1. Volume of sales .. if one sells enough oils to be able to purchase in large volume, they can sell at a lower cost. 2. Greed .. some folks just wanna gouge folks as best they can. 3. Ignorance .. this business requires a heckuva lotta marketing research .. not only do you have to know how to price your oils for sale, but you gotta see what others are selling them for if you wanna be competitive. And to do this, you gotta figure your own REAL COSTS.. and that means .. down to the millimeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Just to add to this, I am a fellow Canadian, I purchased oils from a local ontario company. When I recieved my order from Butch, he included samples of his oils, and man, What a difference.... Butch's oils are superior to anything I can find here, I will only order from him now....try it yourself, order a bottle of oil from Butch and ask for a sample of an oil that you already have....Take the smell test..LOL You won't be sorry. Carol - Butch Owen Monday, November 17, 2003 5:38 AM Quality of EO's Hi Veliraf. > A question for the list- I'll give you my two cents .. and hope someone else puts in theirs. To begin with .. in addition to getting oils you like for what you consider as being a fair price, you have to look at the service the seller offers. Service is important in all aspects of life. > There have recently been discussions about the quality of essential > oils out there. I think that question is second only to " What is the origin of life. " > For the normal lay-person- how are you supposed to know who has the > best oils? Tain't easy .. cause olfactory perception is a very individual thing even for the those who consider themselves as experts. So asking a friend may or may not be the solution. I recommend you get samples when you can .. and/or buy in the smallest sizes you can. Even then, you're not going to find any one supplier who will offer ALL of the oils you will personally decide are the BEST for YOU. Proof (as best as possible) of quality and purity can be had by asking for copies of the analysis of the oil .. but everybody doesn't test all their oils .. and also, it is not impossible to fool a GC/MS .. smart chemists can do it .. still, an analysis is better than none methinks. Sorta like a polygraph or a EKG .. not foolproof but they're good. > I have ordered quite a few to use in my soap-making enterprise, as I > want the beneficial effects of the oils, and NOT just the smell. I like the attitude .. though I doubt that in soap making you will gain a heckuva lotta therapeutic value outside some of the odor. That's cause soap doesn't stay on the body long enough for one to get a whole lotta the odor .. and you can forget the old tales about absorption as they are hawgwash. Take this from one who doesn't deal in Commercial grade oils .. only in Aromatherapy grade. > They have been ordered from a couple of Canadian suppliers, as I > live here, and importing is a pain. So .. are you asking how does one determine who is the best Canadian supplier? ;-p > I looked around for a while before I purchased, and yes- I did try to > go with the most reasonable price. But .. the most reasonable price takes into consideration not only the size of the bottle .. but the origin of the oil. Many essential oils are 2 X or 3 X the price of another of the same size due to the origin alone .. and well worth that difference. So when comparing, take that into consideration. > For example since Ylang Ylang is the only(??) oil that is graded Sorta .. its not really graded .. well, maybe it is. Naa .. it ain't. Its 4 or 5 .. sometimes a ridiculous 6 allegedly different oils with different chemical profiles. Ylang Ylang is the only oil I know of that is accepted as a fractionated oil by ALL aromatherapists. > I compared prices from different people. Some were double, or even > more than that, the price of others- which just amazed me- since > technically it would be for the same thing- wouldn't it?? Not at all .. depends again on whether they are Commercial Grade or Aromatherapy Grade. But price variances are determined by a lot of things .. I'll name a few .. other folks can add more. 1. Volume of sales .. if one sells enough oils to be able to purchase in large volume, they can sell at a lower cost. 2. Greed .. some folks just wanna gouge folks as best they can. 3. Ignorance .. this business requires a heckuva lotta marketing research .. not only do you have to know how to price your oils for sale, but you gotta see what others are selling them for if you wanna be competitive. And to do this, you gotta figure your own REAL COSTS.. and that means .. down to the millimeter. > Slightly confused > Nicole It'll work itself out in time. You'll know what you like and to you, that will be reality .. it will be the best oils. :-) > Veliraf Farm > Nicole Heath > http://www.angelfire.com/nh/veliraf Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 In my rush to get back to washing the pile of laundry .. I forgot to mention - if your supplier does things like has their oils tested for purity and quality, batch/lot numbers them and can provide you the info if requested .. all the better too *Smile* Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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