Native American Food, Recipes & Artifact

[Guest guest]

Yo Diana, Nancy .. other good folks ..

 

> Nancy, no one should be ashamed of their heritage, each has

something good to offer.

>>>Yes I agree. Then of course like Butch says, there are many I hate to admit

to

being the same as. But then I'm an American Mongrol- German, Swedish, Irish,and

French Canadian.

 

Totally agree! With maybe an exception or two .. I betcha some black

folks are ashamed that Michael and Jesse Jackson and from their race.

I

am ashamed that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are from mine. ;-p

 

> And I think each Indian tribe has much to offer.

 

For sure .. if we study their history we'll find many social values and

norms that we would be proud to say were the norms in the USA today.

They were not Noble Savages .. that image was created by white dime

novel writers and picked up on by rich, bored bleeding heart liberals.

They were not heathens in that they had deep spiritual beliefs ..

every minute of the day was spent living those beliefs .. as opposed to

many folks who play the role at Sunday morning show and tell.

 

>>>I'm sure this is why is was ashamed of being Apache,

when she told me she said they were cruel.

 

As for cruelty .. all men was cruel in times past. Whilst many

Indian

tribes were adopting captives into their families, folks in Paris

were

marching through the streets with human heads on pikes and lances.

And

other such inhuman atrocities were not at all uncommon in Europe ..

to include cutting off limbs of children who stole bread even in the

late 1700s .. in ENGLAND!

 

> That's great that your friend is so resourceful in the kitchen.

Wish we could take lessons. Diana of DH

 

I use to watch her, I learned to make many things. Ana taught me to make the

shells,

can't remember what they are called. They would melt in your mouth.

Then I would teach her to make depression area food. Some of my favorites.

We both use to love to cook. Now neither of us do. Never anything out of a

box, I taught my daughter to cook the same way. They do cheat though. Can

always tell if they made a package cake. LOL

 

Yep .. in reading I often smile at the frustration of Indian Agents

when

many folks, after being forced onto the reservations, refused to live in

the white man's wooden houses - they used them to stable their horses

...

preferring to live in a hide shelter which was far more practical in

both summer and winter. And their reluctance to accept wagons when

the

travoise could be used through mud, sand, streams, over rocky terrain

...

when wagon wheels would bog down or break .. and finally, the wives

who

refused to use metal cooking stoves as they had perfected techniques

that worked well and didn't want to start over from tabula rasa. ;-p

 

> This is a interesting site. My friend is half Apache. She

wouldn't tell me for years. She was ashamed of not being Native American,

but being Apache. I told her for years to be proud, it didn't matter

> which one she was.

 

She should be very proud!! Even after generations of conflict

between

the Apache and Comanche, for example, in the Southwest USA, local

white

governments held their ex-enemies in great esteem. An especially

good

example was Quanta Parker, the last Comanche Chief to come in ..

Quanta

played the Texans for all he could .. they held fairs with him as

Guest

of Honor. Eventually he was able to get the state to move his

mother's

bones, a white woman named Cynthia Parker, back to his reservation.

And he got very rich .. made his tribe rich too .. by learning the

economic

aspects of the White Man's road quicker than they thought he would ..

he

made them pay for grazing rights on tribal lands. Not only that but

he

was pushed through legislation that recognized a church that exists

even

today .. that uses peyote in their ceremonies. Reasons for this have

been lost on many .. but they were good reasons. When Comanche had

common spirtual beliefs and communal living there was no

inner-conflict.

When that was taken away and the white man pushed forty-eleven

different

religious beliefs on the Indians .. and claiming there was but one

God,

it was frustrating and soon all beliefs were lost. This was a great

substitute and did not conflict with the belief in a Supreme Being.

 

This is but one of many URLs on that. It is not all that objective

in

describing white men so we can assume that it was written by an angry

person who is doing NOTHING to work out the issues that might keep

some

young American Indians from being able to adapt to the world around

us.

http://users.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/native.htm

 

>>>I'll have to check this sight out.

 

But .. if I had Apache or Comanche heritage I would be proud. Same

goes

for heritage to almost all of the First American tribes/nations. But

it

is not just these folks who had their time in the barrel whilst the

new

America was changing .. each set of immigrants had to pay their dues

and

we often look over that when we talk about how thing should be now.

We

should compare them to how they were then and how far we have come.

 

> She is the best cook, I know it comes from the Apache, she is also

> half Spanish. He father was from Spain.

 

Many of the Apache had Spanish blood .. many of the Spanish who

occupied Mexico had Apache blood. Two of my buddies, Juan Antonio, 1st

Secretary

of the Mexican Embassy here, and Alvera Masada, a contacts manager,

both say they are Indians .. and they are Mexicans. Not different than

those of us who say we are Irish, Welsh, Italian or Indian .. and

Americans.

 

>>>Ana's husband can sing, she met him in Vegas. He would sing Spanish Eyes,

and laugh, Ana has browns eyes. Nice couple, we always have fun when with them.

 

> She can take what we would think of as nothing, and make a meal

that taste wonderful.

> Thanks Nancy

 

Odds are that somewhere back in her heritage folks had to do just

that.

But then, there are black and white folks in the South who learned to

do

that too during times in our history. Sometimes the nothing was not

enough and the old, sick and young suffered .. but still the skills of

the folks who, from an empty cupboard, could throw together a meal

that would get their family past one more day is admirable.

 

>>>When I was young, years ago, we had friends from the south, many good meals

there. Of course my mother would learn to make them. She was also a good cook.

They had a cook until she was 9 and the crash came. So what she learned was

many

of the depression meals. Last week we went to my daughters for fried chicken

dinner.

I asked my Son in Law if he would like it for Fathers day, he did. My daughter

said she would make it in 2 weeks. She won't make cream gravy. He loves it.

They were ready to dump it in the garbage, when I said I'll take it home. Good

one bread or biscuits.

There my son in law thinks I'm crazy, but to me its a treat.

 

There are many reasons why some folks have risen above their

ancestors

in adapting to the modern world and others haven't. Laws are in

effect

to balance perceived inequalities .. but we still see situations that

are blamed on social inequality. Creating more laws and demands for

preferential treatment will not equalize American society methinks.

 

Emotional kneejerks or anger for past wrongdoing will never smooth out

relations between races. Nor will edited versions of who did what to

whom and when and why.

 

>>>Yes sure wish we could raise above what our ancestors did. We sure

weren't there. This would be a nicer world if people would look at each other

for who they are, not what they are.

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch

 

Be smiling more if this weather would get better.

I want to thank you Butch, last week or the one before you said for summer

colds use Lemon Myrtle. I got good and sick on the 4th. Sure glad I had the

lemon myrtle, by yesterday I was back out in the yard.

Have a Good One.

Nancy

 

 

scents1

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nancy, no one should be ashamed of their heritage, each has something

good to offer. And I think each Indian tribe has much to offer.

That's great that your friend is so resourceful in the kitchen. Wish we

could take lessons. Diana of DH

 

This is how I believe.

Sadly Ana due to illness doesn't cook anymore. Maybe she taught her daughters.

One joined the marines in June. Other is married, only one still in high

school.

Have a good day.

Nancy

 

 

scents1

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yo Diana, Nancy .. other good folks ..

 

> Nancy, no one should be ashamed of their heritage, each has something

> good to offer.

 

Totally agree! With maybe an exception or two .. I betcha some black

folks are ashamed that Michael and Jesse Jackson and from their race. I

am ashamed that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are from mine. ;-p

 

> And I think each Indian tribe has much to offer.

 

For sure .. if we study their history we'll find many social values and

norms that we would be proud to say were the norms in the USA today.

They were not Noble Savages .. that image was created by white dime

novel writers and picked up on by rich, bored bleeding heart liberals.

They were not heathens in that they had deep spiritual beliefs .. every

minute of the day was spent living those beliefs .. as opposed to many

folks who play the role at Sunday morning show and tell.

 

As for cruelty .. all men was cruel in times past. Whilst many Indian

tribes were adopting captives into their families, folks in Paris were

marching through the streets with human heads on pikes and lances. And

other such inhuman atrocities were not at all uncommon in Europe .. to

include cutting off limbs of children who stole bread even in the late

1700s .. in ENGLAND!

 

> That's great that your friend is so resourceful in the kitchen. Wish

> we could take lessons. Diana of DH

 

Yep .. in reading I often smile at the frustration of Indian Agents when

many folks, after being forced onto the reservations, refused to live in

the white man's wooden houses - they used them to stable their horses ..

preferring to live in a hide shelter which was far more practical in

both summer and winter. And their reluctance to accept wagons when the

travoise could be used through mud, sand, streams, over rocky terrain ..

when wagon wheels would bog down or break .. and finally, the wives who

refused to use metal cooking stoves as they had perfected techniques

that worked well and didn't want to start over from tabula rasa. ;-p

 

> This is a interesting site. My friend is half Apache. She wouldn't

> tell me for years. She was ashamed of not being Native American, but

> being Apache. I told her for years to be proud, it didn't matter

> which one she was.

 

She should be very proud!! Even after generations of conflict between

the Apache and Comanche, for example, in the Southwest USA, local white

governments held their ex-enemies in great esteem. An especially good

example was Quanta Parker, the last Comanche Chief to come in .. Quanta

played the Texans for all he could .. they held fairs with him as Guest

of Honor. Eventually he was able to get the state to move his mother's

bones, a white woman named Cynthia Parker, back to his reservation. And

he got very rich .. made his tribe rich too .. by learning the economic

aspects of the White Man's road quicker than they thought he would .. he

made them pay for grazing rights on tribal lands. Not only that but he

was pushed through legislation that recognized a church that exists even

today .. that uses peyote in their ceremonies. Reasons for this have

been lost on many .. but they were good reasons. When Comanche had

common spirtual beliefs and communal living there was no inner-conflict.

When that was taken away and the white man pushed forty-eleven different

religious beliefs on the Indians .. and claiming there was but one God,

it was frustrating and soon all beliefs were lost. This was a great

substitute and did not conflict with the belief in a Supreme Being.

 

This is but one of many URLs on that. It is not all that objective in

describing white men so we can assume that it was written by an angry

person who is doing NOTHING to work out the issues that might keep some

young American Indians from being able to adapt to the world around us.

http://users.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/native.htm

 

But .. if I had Apache or Comanche heritage I would be proud. Same goes

for heritage to almost all of the First American tribes/nations. But it

is not just these folks who had their time in the barrel whilst the new

America was changing .. each set of immigrants had to pay their dues and

we often look over that when we talk about how thing should be now. We

should compare them to how they were then and how far we have come.

 

> She is the best cook, I know it comes from the Apache, she is also

> half Spanish. He father was from Spain.

 

Many of the Apache had Spanish blood .. many of the Spanish who occupied

Mexico had Apache blood. Two of my buddies, Juan Antonio, 1st Secretary

of the Mexican Embassy here, and Alvera Masada, a contacts manager, both

say they are Indians .. and they are Mexicans. Not different than those

of us who say we are Irish, Welsh, Italian or Indian .. and Americans.

 

> She can take what we would think of as nothing, and make a meal that

> taste wonderful.

> Thanks Nancy

 

Odds are that somewhere back in her heritage folks had to do just that.

But then, there are black and white folks in the South who learned to do

that too during times in our history. Sometimes the nothing was not

enough and the old, sick and young suffered .. but still the skills of

the folks who, from an empty cupboard, could throw together a meal that

would get their family past one more day is admirable.

 

There are many reasons why some folks have risen above their ancestors

in adapting to the modern world and others haven't. Laws are in effect

to balance perceived inequalities .. but we still see situations that

are blamed on social inequality. Creating more laws and demands for

preferential treatment will not equalize American society methinks.

 

Emotional kneejerks or anger for past wrongdoing will never smooth out

relations between races. Nor will edited versions of who did what to

whom and when and why.

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch