Digest Number 886

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Formulas To Replace Hormone Therapy

Formula #1:

Heshouwu

Shanyao

Huangqi

Taijishen

Gancao

Ziheche (placenta)

Grind equal amounts of each raw medicinal to powder, take 1.5g three times a day.

Case Histories

Case 1: Li, male 9 years old

Li had been given the Western diagnosis of nephritis syndrome (?) Li had been under Western hormone therapy and had finished the course, but still had severe water-swelling, fatigue, pale face, low blood protein, high cholesterol, with urine protein at 4+. He was given cortisone for 30 days without results. Dr. Yan prescribed the formula above for Li. Li took this formula for one half year. All his symptoms disappeared and all Western tests became normal. Li was followed for 20 years and there was no recurrence. At his last visit he was healthy, married, and with one six-year-old child.

Commentary: For cases such as this with severe water swelling, and high urine protein, high cholesterol, with low blood protein, one must warm and boost kidney yang and strengthen the spleen. The most important medicinal here is ziheche. One can use the entire fresh pieces from a DNC of a 8-12 week aborted fetus as this medicinal after it has been cleaned. The dose is one fetus per week. However, processed, dried ziheche from China is as effective.

Case 2: Wu, a fourteen-month-old baby

Dr. Li saw this patient in 1983. This baby had been diagnosed a year previously with nephritis syndrome. This baby was treated with cortisone and all the baby’s symptoms disappeared, but he had a recurrence in 1983. Wu was given cortisone again, but his parents wanted concurrent Chinese therapy. Dr. Li prescribed fresh ziheche, consisting only of the aborted fetus’s tendrils, for eight weeks. The dosage was one ziheche per week divided into daily doses. This patient was completely cured and a follow up 19 years later showed no recurrence.

Formula #2: modified Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (Six-Ingredient Pill with Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix) plus Yu Ping Feng San (Jade Windscreen Powder):

Huangqi 30g

Shengdi 15g

Shanzhuyu 10g

Shanyao 10g

Mudanpi 10-g

Baizhu 10g

Fangfeng 6g

Fuling 10g

Gancao 4g

Yimucao 40g

Muli 30g

Yingyanghuo 10-15g

Case History: Chao, a thirteen-year-old boy.

Chao’s first visit was on November 2, 1995. He had recurrent bouts of protein in his urine for twelve years. He had taken cortisone for ten years. He had had five major recurrences. Chao had a moon face with lots of hair on his undersized body. He easily caught colds. When he came in he was on 20ml of cortisone per day. He had a thin tongue coating as well as a thin pulse. Dr. Hang gave Chao the formula above plus cortisone at 40ml every other day, and cut this dose of cortisone down by 5ml every two weeks, meanwhile gradually increasing the yinyanghuo dosage to 15g per day. By June 1996, the artificial hormones were completely eliminated. Chao continued on this formula for six months. A follow up one year later showed no recurrences. His moon face disappeared and patient grew up to be a normal size.

Formula #3:

Dangshen 12g

Huangqi 15g

Fuling 15g

Baizhu 12g

Shendihuang 15g

Yinyanghuo 9g

Jingyingzi `12g

QianShi 15g

Yumixu 15g

Honghua 6g

Ezhu 12g

Yimucao 12g

Xiangfu 12g

This is Dr. Hu’s formula. He believes that to supplement the kidney the first choice should be yinyanghuo and roucongrong. He believes these two herbs warm the yang but do not dry, supplement the yang without damaging the yin. He also uses qianshi and jinyinzi together to supplement and astringe the kidney. Shendi nourishes yin and one needs to use 30-40g in combination with either yinyanghuo or roucongrong in order increase the immune function. This combination seems to work somewhat like a hormone, and it supplements both yin and yang. Honghua, ezhu, yimucao quicken blood because "if blood moves, water moves."

Yinyanhuo and roucongrong have the same function of boosting yang. But roucongrong moistens the intestines, so if a patient is constipated, one should use this herb. On the other hand, if a patient has loose stool, one should use yinyanghuo. If the patient’s stool is normal, one may use both, or just choose one. Usually 9g of yinyanghuo and 12g of roucongrong per day is enough.

Case 1 Gu, a 23-year-old woman.

Gu first came to see Dr. Gong on December 22, 1991. One half year previously she began to get water-swelling on her face and eyes with a large amount of protein in her urine. The western diagnosis was chronic nephritis. She was given large amounts of cortisone, and got better for a while, but just two months previous to this visit she experienced dizziness, fatigue, low back soreness and weakness, stomach ache after eating. Her stomach was inflamed, and she had dysmenorrhea. Her tongue tip was red with a thin white coating and her pulse was thin. Her blood pressure, blood BUN, and Cr were normal. Urinalysis showed protein at 4+.

Dr. Gong’s pattern identification was spleen and kidney vacuity with damp stagnation and blood stasis, and stomach disharmony. He used the formula above for fourteen days and all Gu’s symptoms disappeared and her urinalysis returned to normal. She took it three more months and she was stable, her urinalysis remaining normal. A one year follow up one year later showed no recurrence even after catching a cold.

General Commentary on Substituting Chinese Medicinals for Hormone Therapy:

a. Acute nephritis is often caused by external wind, heat, damp, or toxins. Even if the patient’s symptoms start to improve and most of the evils are expelled, there is usually lingering heat and damage to yin from the heat toxins. In this case, even if there is yang vacuity, one should just add Huangqi. One should not use warming yang medicinals.

b. Patients that have been given large amounts of hormones or immune suppressant drugs often get infections, especially urinary tract infections and upper respiratory infections. These infections may not show very severe symptoms because the patient’s immunity is compromised. For these types of patients one should first clear damp-heat toxins, then harmonize the spleen and stomach and start to supplement the kidney yin and yang.

c. Kidney patients usually have yin and yang vacuity, since these are interdependent. They may also have high blood pressure. If the blood pressure is high, and one only boosts yang, this can harm the yin and cause further yin/yang disharmony. One has to supplement yin and sedate rising yang for this type. If this type of patient also has yang vacuity, one can boost the yang at the same time in a careful manner.

General Comments on Treating All Types of Chronic Nephritis:

a. Chronic nephritis patients usually have underlying vacuity patterns. Thus supplementation is often the principal treatment strategy: for yin vacuity one must supplement yin, for qi vacuity one must supplement qi. Huangqi is good for all pattern that have protein in the urine, but if a patient has yin vacuity one should supplement yin first, and if they have damp-heat one should clear damp-heat first. Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (Six-Ingredient Pill with Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix) is very good for improving the kidney function but it is too cold for qi and yang vacuity patterns and one should add qi and yang supplements such as huangqi, dangshen, yinyanghuo, duzhong, fuzi, rougui, etc.

b. When one supplements, one must open and drain at the same time. We can see this strategy at work in a formula such as Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (Six-Ingredient Pill with Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix), [from the Xiao Er Yao Zheng Shi Jue (Craft of Medicinal Treatment for Childhood Disease Patterns)]:

Shu Di Huang (Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix)

Shan Yao (Radix Discoreae Opposiate)

Shan Zhu Yu (Corni Officinalis, Fructus)

Ze Xie (Alismatis Orientalis, Rhizoma)

Fu Ling (Poriae Cocos, Sclerotium)

Mu Dan Pi (Moutan Radicis, Cortex)

In this formula Shu Di Huang (Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix) strongly supplements the kidney, but Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (Six-Ingredient Pill with Rehmanniae Glutinosae Conquitae, Radix) also employs have Ze Xie (Alismatis Orientalis, Rhizoma) to drain dampness. Thus this formula embodies the strategy of supplementation while draining that speaks to the principle that when one supplements one does not want to retain or lock in an evil.

(From a Western perspective, in nephritis the kidneys are swollen, so one must relieve the swelling, i.e.: must drain the dampness as well as strengthening them.)

For draining we often use medicinals such as zexie, cheqianzi, baimogen, yimucao, shiwei, chixiaodou. An example of a formula used for acute nephritis employing these is modified Ma Huang Lian Qiao Chi Xiao Dou Tang (Ephedrae, Herba, Forsythiae Suspensae, Fructus, and Phaseoli Calcarati, Semen Decoction):

Ma Huang (Ephedrae, Herba) 10g

Lianqiao 15g

Chixiaodou 15g

Dafupi 10g

Cheqiancao 15g

Hanfangqi 9g

Fuling 15g

Huanglian 9g

Jinyinhua 15g

Lianqiao 15g

Banglangeng 15g

Daqingye 15g

Baimaogen 15g

Another is and Li Yu Huang Qi Tang (Cyprinus Carpio and Astragali Membranacei, Radix Decoction) Tang used for chronic nephritis:

Li Yu (Cyprinus Carpio) 1 piece

Huang Qi (Astragali Membranacei, Radix) 50-100g

Cook these together and eat the soup and the carp.

 

c. One must make sure one clears any external evils. In acute cases one does this before supplementing, in chronic cases one can do this simultaneously with supplementing.

Therapy for Group B: Patients withdrawing from Western drug therapy, or who have finished withdrawing from Western drug therapy but then have their symptoms recur.

One can treat these patients in two ways. One can discern a pattern identification, develop a treatment strategy, and give Chinese formulas as exemplified by the protocols for group A, or one give one of a few standard formulas. Both types of treatment replace the need for Western hormone therapy for 1) those patients that are not responding to this therapy, 2) those that are having recurrences after finishing hormone therapy, and 3) those who are having difficulty during their withdrawal from Western drug therapy.

Hormonal therapy is the Western therapy of choice for treating chronic nephritis. Of course, when giving hormonal therapy the amount of hormones in the blood is increased. This affects the hormone glands, especially the hypothalamus, pituitary, and adrenals in a negative feedback function. In other words, this hormonal therapy causes the hypothalamus, pituitary and adrenals to lower their own output of hormones. When one withdraws from these Western drugs, it is expected that the output from these glands will return to normal. But it is often the case that these glands begin to atrophy or are unable to resume their normal functioning after having been artificially made to lower their secretions. Thus when the artificial hormones are withdrawn the kidney dysfunction and symptoms of chronic nephritis return.

The Chinese formulas that replace Western formulas employ a different strategy. They have a positive effect on the endocrine glands, harmonizing their functions so that they can naturally produce the right amount of hormones. Please see chart 2.

 

 

> > > > Digest Number 886 >6 Feb 2002 20:09:30 -0000 > >Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > >------ > >There are 18 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Digest Number 885 > "Joseph Balensi"

> 2. RE: Re: research studies > "stephen"

> 3. Herb company research funding. > "Robert L. Felt"

> 4. Funding Research > "jramholz"

> 5. Re: research studies > "jramholz"

> 6. Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > WMorris116 > 7. RE: Re: research studies > "stephen"

> 8. Re: Re: research studies > WMorris116 > 9. Re: Herb company research funding. > "Alon Marcus"

> 10. Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > "Alon Marcus"

> 11. Re: Re: research studies > "Alon Marcus"

> 12. Re: Re: research studies > WMorris116 > 13. Re: research studies > "jramholz"

> 14. Re: Conceptualizing the Atkins Diet > "1"

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> > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:40:42 -0700 > "Joseph Balensi"

>Re: Digest Number 885 > >I need a referral for a female patient in her late 50's in Bombay India >suffering from Interstitial Lung Fibrosis, frequent pneumonias, difficulty >in breathing and cure for the lung disease. An experienced >acupuncturist-herbalist is required. The patinet says that any large city in >India would be sutiable. > >Contact me off-list at jlb > >Thanks, JOE > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:57:34 -0700 > "stephen"

>RE: Re: research studies > >This usergroup discussion of research is a good example of why so little of >it actually happens. Everyone thinks someone else should design it, pay for >it, implement it, analyze it, write it up, and submit it for publication, >but everybody wants to benefit from it and will have an opinion on how it >could have been done better. Research that companies fund and implement is >typically not what has been proposed on this list, which seeks answers to >more academically oriented questions that incorporate an analysis of the >value of TCM based differential diagnosis as well as the outcome of >consequent therapeutic choices. If you want companies, schools, >individuals, or trade organizations to fund such projects then you need to >establish a valid rationale for the study, outline a study design, budget, >and implementation strategy. Then getting the funds from all those deep >pockets becomes more feasible. > >Stephen Morrissey > Follow the money. The herb companies will immeasurably and directly >benefit financially from this type of > > research. They should LEAD this initiative; it is part of their cost of >doing business. > > > > I was thinking more of the Chinese herb companies > > >>>Zev I think they (should) pull together and create research pools of >something like that > Alon > > ... good idea. > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:24:08 -0500 > "Robert L. Felt"

>Herb company research funding. > >All, > > > I agree with you. Follow the money. The herb companies will > > immeasurably and directly benefit financially from this type of > > research. They should LEAD this initiative; it is part of their cost of > > doing business. > >Well, not that they shouldn't but the odds might not good. Several of the >producers that I have interviewed, mostly in Japan, have decided that >funding research will cost them sales. Since in East Asia these products are >now legal in their makers markets, they have nothing to gain and everything >to lose. I have not followed this closely but I believe that the largest of the >Japanese pharmaceutical concerns, Tsumra, which has a large kampo >product line that is sold over the counter, has funded only one kampo RCT. > >Bob > >bob Paradigm Publications >www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street >Robert L. Felt Brookline MA 02445 >617-738-4664 > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:39:35 -0000 > "jramholz"

>Funding Research > >Bob, > >It's understandable that without sufficient return on their >investment, herb companies won't fund research, schools won't teach >Chinese, and publishers won't include the characters in their >translations. > >But what about the idea of a clearing house or database that >includes all the herbal research? > >Or publishing the characters for a translation on the internet---or >an eBook with both? > >I would be willing to pay extra or for those kinds of >things. > > >Jim Ramholz > > > >, "Robert L. Felt" wrote: > > All, > > > > > I agree with you. Follow the money. The herb companies will > > > immeasurably and directly benefit financially from this type >of > > > research. They should LEAD this initiative; it is part of >their cost of > > > doing business. > > > > Well, not that they shouldn't but the odds might not good. >Several of the > > producers that I have interviewed, mostly in Japan, have decided >that > > funding research will cost them sales. Since in East Asia these >products are > > now legal in their makers markets, they have nothing to gain and >everything > > to lose. I have not followed this closely but I believe that the >largest of the > > Japanese pharmaceutical concerns, Tsumra, which has a large kampo > > product line that is sold over the counter, has funded only one >kampo RCT. > > > > Bob > > > > bob@p... Paradigm Publications > > www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street > > Robert L. Felt Brookline >MA 02445 > > 617-738-4664 > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:47:26 -0000 > "jramholz"

>Re: research studies > >, "stephen" wrote: >If you want companies, schools,individuals, or trade organizations >to fund such projects then you need to establish a valid rationale >for the study, outline a study design, budget,and implementation >strategy. Then getting the funds from all those deep pockets >becomes more feasible.>> > > >Stephen: > >Do you know who is doing that now, and what their studies are? > > >Jim Ramholz > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 6 > Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:24:27 EST > WMorris116 >Re: Re: steroid withdrawal > >In a message dated 2/5/02 9:34:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, >alonmarcus writes: > > > > > >Alon: > >You can reach them through Sun Ten. They did studies comparing the active >constituents present in formulas with single ingredients mixed vs. cooked >together. > >Will > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 7 > Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:17:46 -0700 > "stephen"

>RE: Re: research studies > >Jim, > >I have not heard of anyone that is doing academically oriented TCM herbal >research in the US. Certainly it is going on in China to some degree. >However a lot of the herb research in China seems to be geared toward >satisfying the requirements of applying to the SDA for product licenses. I >have not followed the NIH grants that have been awarded for studies of TCM >but that may be a place to look. All of the research that I am personally >doing is product specific rather than purely academic. However, I do feel >that if TCM practitoners wanted to work collectively to research a specific >question, that with a good proposal, funding could be obtained. Identifying >and agreeing on the clinical end point to evaluate, how it should be >assessed, developing the feedback forms, collecting and analyzing the data, >and interpreting the results would be interesting and edifying task. >Perhaps even a bit humbling. Usually such a study would not necessarily >answer all the questions intended but would more than likely identify >additional relevant issues and new ways to assess them in a next study. If >this were a collective effort it would still require someone to lead and >facilitate. I would personally support someone in such an effort with some >time and a few dollars. But with enough people in the TCM community >supporting this effort, outside funding should be easier to secure. > >Stephen Morrissey > > >Do you know who is doing that now, and what their studies are? >Jim Ramholz > >, "stephen" wrote: >If you want companies, schools,individuals, or trade organizations >to fund such projects then you need to establish a valid rationale >for the study, outline a study design, budget,and implementation >strategy. Then getting the funds from all those deep pockets >becomes more feasible.>> > > >Stephen: > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare >practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing >in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, >including board approved online continuing education. > > > >

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Ziheche (placenta)

>>>Todd

I have used ziheche in many old animals for a verity of disorders very successfully

Alon

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, " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Ziheche (placenta)

> >>>Todd

> I have used ziheche in many old animals for a verity of disorders very

successfully

> Alon

 

Did I send a post on zi he che?

 

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>>>>You received one

A

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Well, let me put it to you this way:

1. I have dx of CFIDS/FMS, hypothyroid, too many misbehaving virii, ad

nauseum. VCNO helps with my thyroid, energy and virii are behaving better, too.

Been taking 3-4T daily since last Sept.

NOTE: As a teen, I spent summers inpatient at U of MI for allergies as

eczema. The doc there told me to use nothing other than coconut oil or cocoa

butter on my skin and hair. Been doing that for xxx decades.

2. My son's body no longer responds to oral antibiotics. He's been on 4 to 6

T of VCNO a day for a couple of months and it seems to be helping..... he has

been fighting a low grade infection for over a year now. VCNO has a high

monolaurin content..... same stuff as in early days breast milk.

 

Read Bruce Fife's book on Coconut Oil.

goto

www.coconutoil-info.com (may not be quite right.

or

www.tropicaltraditions.com

 

mjh

 

 

In a message dated 6/17/03 8:56:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

 

 

> Thanks! I have some organic coconut oil in my refrigerator, I hope it's ok

> to keep it cool. I have found it's fine raw rubbed on the skin, but I tried

> popping corn in it and I couldn't stand it. I love raw organic coconut

> shreds in cookies and curry dishes.

>

> Tell me, what do you eat the coconut oil for? Is it therapeutic for certain

> ailments?

>

> Naively yours, Kathy ;-)

>

>