Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 In a message dated 6/6/03 10:08:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, butchbsi writes: > had emu in it Has anyone considered the emu. From what I have read, it can be nasty if one is sensitive to it? Just throwing in a thought... Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen Woobeys: Loving Touch Therapeutic Pillows http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Yo Patty, > Hi Butch! > > > According to doctors, if its not a virus .. it must be an allergy. ;-p > > yep I know & they usually just give you antibiotics & send you on your way. ; ) Right .. and the heckuvit is .. ain't been no antibiotic yet invented that works on viruses. I know them pill pushers gotta know that so I reckon I question their motives. > > No way he can tell its an allergy unless it establishes a pattern .. > > or they do various allergy tests. > > ok, well he didn't say anything about doing any tests just said looks > like an allergic reaction put this cream on....when it didn't get > better I called said take benedryl....still didn't get better went in > again put me on prednisone & he said somethings definately got you.. A very astute observation methinks. ;-p > that's about it & told me to pack all my fo's & soapmaking & incense > stuff away for at least a week or until this clears up...which i think > will be longer than a week. Lawdy, Lawdy .. how did we get along afore folks had to have a danged Medical Certificate on the wall. Them whut reads history know what we did and how we did. ;-p Was less than three full generations ago .. considering a generation as 70 years .. that a doctor had to have a formal edumocation in the US of A. Then Harvard kicked off two programs for medical doctors .. a 3 year and a 4 year program. Still, until the middle 1800s folks with on-the-job training could practice medicine. They just had to convince a board of 3-4 medical professionals that they knew enough to practice. > > Too long two weeks. Unless you are constantly exposed to something > > that is causing the problems. > > Yep I am trying to figure out what it might be...I know last time my > face swelled up really bad I was holding my daughter trying to get her > to go to sleep....her head was right by my face & her shampoo has > chamomile in it...might have lavender too will have to look, I started > washing her hair with something else & using the prednisone & have not > been that bad since so I don't know if was the prednisone...or > eliminating the shampoo. I believe if you pay close attention you will eventually get a fairly good idea of what it MIGHT be. > > What kinda lotion? > > was one I made myself & only used around the times I got breakouts... Then .. we can say a lawsuit is not a consideration - huh? ;-p > had emu in it kukui/hazlenut & another oil that I am spacing on right > now. I used lavender & tea tree in that ....just a drop/oz. so for an > 8 oz batch i used 5 drops lavender & 3 tea tree....was that too much? Not too much .. that is, except for maybe frequency of use. Lavender (Lavandula angustifolia) has been tested as safe at 16% dilution .. for dermal application .. and Lavender gets better as it ages. But .. NOW HEAR THIS .. contrary to the common rumors and other bovine excrement upon which the cottage-industry of aromatherapy has built a shakey foundation .. Tea Tree CANNOT be used neat on the skin .. and as it ages, it creates chemical reactions that are Hell on Roller Skates for anyone with a slight inclination for dermal problems .. and it has only been tested safe at 1% in some tests and 2% in others!!!!!!~ > I didn't think a drop/oz would be too much. But like I said I need to > learn more about eo's. Its not too much .. and right you are on learning more on EOs .. this stands for many who think they have all the answers. But for safe dilutions we need to break down and purchase the publication that has scientifically tested dilutions and the references for same .. that is Plant Aromatics .. URL http://www.av-at.com/plantaromaticsavnp.html > > Doesn't mean a thing .. problems .. including sensitization .. have > > to start somewhere. > > Yep I did read that you could use & use with no problems & then boom a > problem so was wondering if that could have happened to me. I did > remember a couple months ago my son commenting on how red my cheeks > were a few times, but I can't remember if I used anything on my face > then or not. Yep .. and when we become sensitized .. our immune system does not act up at that time .. it registers the chemical profile of what it sees as a foreign invader and begins preparation to kick butt next time that invader comes around. Check the post I made to the list yesterday .. subject was .. Sensitization. > > It appears that it wouldn't have mattered if he was open or closed. > yeah I guess not, huh. Yep. ;-p > > Not very likely .. but it could change into a very irritating creme. > > yes he said something about it mutating into something that was > irritating for me or I was allergic to (???) He probably knew what he was talking about but didn't really know why he knew what he was talking about. ;-) Its a chemical transformation process and he probably heard some professor mention it one time. We gotta accept that medical doctors on the average .. specialists are an exception to this .. as are those who work in emergency rooms .. really do PRACTICE medicine .. and they use us as their guinea pigs. Doctors are trained to recognized symptoms .. in more enlightened and educated societies folks can often describe the symptoms well enough for the new doctor to check out his handy-dandy medical dictionary and seek out the problem .. not so in lesser developed societies where they are more likely to use a cannon to kill the problem cause they know folks don't come to them till they are ready to start singing their Death Song and they ain't likely to come back again for another visit so he gotta kill it the first time. But in the western societies the doc finds the symptoms then goes to the handy-dandy reference book provided by the pharmacetical industry and they wind up being the real prescriber. Of course, in any society an older .. and wise .. old don't necessarily translate to wise .. doctor can usually tell what's wrong when someone walks in his office .. maybe even from the odor of their breath of the color of their eyes or from forty-eleven other indications. > > Sounds a little like what a lot of folks have these modern times but > > don't know it .. Multiple Chemical Sensitivity .. maybe. > > ughh.....I really hope not! I really like making my soaps & incense! I hope not too. Its becoming more and more common though. But if you do have a MCS problem it won't take long to detect it if you are aware of the possibility. However, don't be looking to justify it. ;-p > > What he is saying is that your immune system might be fighting off > > what it sees as as foreign invader, meaning, sensitization reactions. > > yep he said since my immune system is reacting right now to whatever > is going on with my face it is reacting to everything I come in > contact with right now. I'm not a doctor but I disagree with him. He took took wide a stroke on that one. > > I'd consider packing them up for a little longer than just for now. > > yes I figured will have to wait til this all goes away....he said a > week I have a feeling it will be longer than that, I hope not forever. Good luck .. really! I believe that in time you will know what the problem is. And .. we can NEVER discount emotional stress either. Stress often causes reactions today that will never be repeated. > > Maybe .. but more likely has something to do with all the chemicals > in your life. > > see normally there isn't a lot...other than fo's. But this time there > was & BANG When you say .. other than FOs .. I get no warm fuzzies. The big-buck creaters of Fragrance Oils have successfully lobbied the FDA to allow them to call their creations " Trade Secrets " .. and not list any of the ingredients. Howsomeever, there is one foreign country .. name of that country is California .. that has successfully taken some of those cats to court and burned their asses for including known carcinogens. > > Roman Chamomole (Anthemis nobilis) is not a known sensitizer .. in > > fact it is anti-inflammatory and pre-anesthetic .. great for > > stopping itching and such. > > ok so may not be that, but can you be allergic to it? Yes .. we can be allergic to anything .. I was allergic to my ex-wife. But normally what we call allergy ain't. Its irritation or even worse sensitization to the many garbage products dumped on the market and in the air and water and food chain in general. > I was reading one page that was saying about it being an allergen but > I only saw that one page so far & I know how some stuff on the net is. I'd like to read something like that. Its been tested safe at a 4% dilution and there are a very few RARE cases of contact dermitis but in almost all such cases the subjects are susceptible to all kinds of dermal problems in the second place. > > By avoiding the suspected irritant .. or contacting it .. and/or by > > a series of allergy tests. > > ok, I just have to figure out what exactly caused it...so I will ask > him then about tests, I guess. Only if it continues .. or if I couldn't find the cause myself .. would I personally go through the hassle and expense of that battery of tests. > > Right you are .. and you're likely to learn what it is long before > > the doctor does. > > most likely : ) Really .. I believe this! > > Do you know for sure that the cream contains REAL essential oils? > > And do you know the strenght/percentage of those essential oils? Or > > can you learn this information? > > as far as I know they were. No I don't know how much was used, I can > ask then. Understand. Of course, odds are you won't get a straight answer. > > It happens occasionally .. sensitization to Lavender. > > I was wondering if it might be this because I have been in contact > with lavender more than the others but I didn't think I was in contact > with it that much.....and actually it was just the lavender 40/42. JUST the Lavender 40/42 is enough to get my suspicion up high. I'll post a post on that in a minute. Lavender 40/42 is almost always not natural .. I would say I don't believe it EVER is totally natural. > > Photo-sensitization does not require exposure to direct sunlight .. > > indirect will often make it go down. > > I don't think it was this as I swelled up inside the grocery store > pretty bad. Not trying to be arguementative .. but you had to be exposed to some direct or indirect light betwixt the house and the grocery store. > > Not gonna happen from the EO due to being related to anything. Its > > the herb that you have to be concerned with. > > ok, so the eo of chamomile will not cause an allergic reaction? No .. there is no record of it being such. If you see a microsopic shot of the pollen of plants that cause hay fever and so-called allergy you will see something resembling a medevial mace or battle ax. > > I hope you get other replies. I am answering cause I think you seem > > to be in a tizzy .. and probably shouldn't be cause the worst is > > probably behind you .. unless you continue to be in contact with the > > problem. > > thanks Butch for taking the time to answer. My pleasure. :-) > Yep I am, just because I'm not sure what caused it or how to get rid > of it, or if I ever will, & I really like making my stuff, I finally > found something I enjoy doing & now I can't do it. Not necessarily .. don't count yourself out yet. Good Lawd Willing and the creeks don't rise .. this might pass and be just a bad memory. If you can think positive about it I GUARANTEE that is therapeutic unto itself .. really it is. > I hope so, I just wish I knew what exactly the problem was You'll learn .. if it doesn't go away forever first. :-) > > Avoid ALL chemicals for a few days .. ALL. I know .. you gotta > > clean the house, etc. There are things the smart ladies on this > > list can probably recommend that are safe. > > yep am trying, is a lot harder than I thought, shampoos, fabric > softeners etc all have perfumes in them, though they don't really seem > to be bugging me too much right now. Not so on the shampoos and that such stuff was what I was waiting for the smart ladies on this list to tell you. Smell good stuff is not the only thing available .. lots of natural stuff is available. As for the fabric softeners .. I haven't used them since 1994 and see no difference in anything. I think that's more American commercialized brain washing. Smart advertising can even make folks feel guilty if they don't buy their products. They don't pay tens of thousands of dollars per SECOND of TV time for nothing. > Well I can go back to my vinegar & baking soda which is what I was > using I just got tired of all the scrubbing & figured would try > something new. that'll teach me, huh! Folks here use a lotta vinegar. And to clean windows they use old newpapers .. got some good stuff in that newsprint. > > Learn what was in the creams .. and the percentage. And test for > > microbial infestation. Odds are your creme (and most everybody > > elses creme too) has a bit of infestation. > > will do. figured would get one of the home test kits from snowdrift & > if it does show anything then send it out & find out what it is I > tried really hard not to introduce water to it but who knows. will see > if I can find out percentages...if they remember. Might not do much good to test it now .. and as for the Snowdrift kits, though I don't like to badmouth anybody's products .. we tried them and they failed miserably for our purposes. Long ago I thought to use them to test hydrosols every month of so .. they didn't work. Now we test every 90 days at a professional lab. > > Germ critters do not always cause a bad odor .. so that is not a > > very effective method to determine sterility and especially if > > there is no preservative in the cream. > > > yep I know, that's why I am kicking myself, I should have known > better, No biggie .. my Mama was probably much older than you and should have known better too. ;-p Few of us do everything we know is right. Life would be boring as hell if we did. > I just didn't think on the whole thing, I didn't know enough about > eo's & their safe usage & I knew it was probably too old but was being > cheap not wanting to waste it. I hear you. Crap happens. ;-p > > Experience comes from failure .. confidence comes from success .. > > but we can't become confident till we have a good deal of > > experience. ;-p > > Well I should be pretty experienced & confident soon then if I keep > going like this! (plus still feeling like an idiot!) Don't think like that. I am one experienced puppy .. done everything wrong at least once .. and now I feel kinda smart. ;-) > > I hope others can assist you more than I did .. I'll just say you > > oughta maybe not worry about it too much. Stay the hell away from > > all the chemicals you can for a few days .. well .. water should be > > an exception to that. > > no, You were a great help! Yeah hubby & dr. both told me I should calm > down isn't helping matters much. Will try my best. Good show .. glad I am. And think positive .. its really medicinal. > > IF it is irritation it should go away when the irritant is removed. > > IF it is sensitization to a particular chemical, it might never go > > away in that it will flare up when you're exposed to that chemical > > .. and there is a possibility of cross sensitization due to trace > > chemicals that we can't even analyze with the present day > > equipement. > > ok, well am hoping it goes away, but I don't have very high hopes at > the moment. Think differently and you might be surprised. ;-p > > Test the creme .. then dump it. And try to keep smiling. :-) > > will do. I'll try. You keep smiling too & thank you Butch! : ) > Patty Yes'm .. gonna post on the Lavender 40/42 .. and then .. cause its a bit after 8 at night here .. I'm heading to the pub to punish my body and brain at our weekly Happy Hour. ;-9 Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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