IDMA

May 14, 2003

In a message dated 5/14/2003 6:52:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,

mccoy writes:

> One loudmouth, in particular, who doesn't know how to shut up has turned

> off any potential volunteers to help the organizations by her bleating and

> uncontrolled diatribes.

>SIGH!<

AND as with every story there is always two sides. THIS in Anya's rather

twisted view of the situation. This " Loudmouth " is a member of both boards

and has been stuck in the middle by trying to answer our questions and yet

also keeping the integrity of the boards she's on.

As for Bleating and uncontrolled diatribes, I believe that Anya still owes

Martin Watt a public apology for putting words in his mouth about Michael

Schoels...

Someone might want to pass this on to her as I do believe that due to my

" Muenchausens by Internet " (at the VERY least) I'm in her kill file... >in

every life, there is a ray of sunshine ;-)<

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

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May 14, 2003

At 04:26 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Now .. what's happening NOW on Idma. If you've not been on Idma for a

>buncha years .. you might wanna listen more than write. However, if you

>have some points to make on ethics or normal business practices, then

>your comments will be welcomed by some and condemned by others .. it all

>depends on where they are sitting .. but don't let that bother you. The

>issues of NAHA (National Association of Holistic Aromatherapy) and ARC

>(Aromatherapy Registration Council) are issues that go way back .. I'm

>talking waaaaaaay back .. if you weren't around when the issues that are

>now being beaten to death were beaten to death back then .. you are not

>gonna add a lot to the conversation. When I wanna reply to the idiotic

>ravings of those two organizations .. I just pull out posts I made back

>in 2000 .. or before .. a friggin repeat.

In other words, Butch opens a big ol' can o' whupass on them -- again --

and the loonies that shout and babble about the validity of those joke

organizations ignore him and those with reasonable questions. And so the

madness continues. I think more damage is done to the credibility of

aromatherapy on that list by a few loudmouthed wackos than the FDA has done

so far. When Butch refers 'to the idiotic ravings of those two

organizations' I believe he is referring to a handful of idma-members, all

females, all with a vested interest in the organizations. They are truly

wacko, hotheaded and lacking an ability to reason (or back down.)

One loudmouth, in particular, who doesn't know how to shut up has turned

off any potential volunteers to help the organizations by her bleating and

uncontrolled diatribes. It's sad, because I think many good folk would

volunteer to help NAHA and ARC (well, maybe not ARC, since it's built upon

sand), but that one person turns them all off. She wouldn't be tolerated

here, where civilized folks gather :-) and that's a *good* thing. I'm

great at fundraising, for instance, I have the magic touch to get $$ out of

pockets and into organizations, but I wouldn't spend one moment of my time

to help them. Feh.

In addition, I think that many reps from big corporations lurk there and

skim information about the use of oils to turn them into supermarket

products. That's just my intuition, nothing concrete.

There is some good information to be had on idma, but it is scarce.

Some on idma go ballistic at practically anything I post there, because I

challenge the status quo, and their lies and false credentials, but, heck,

I'm honored to be disliked by con artists and phonies. You can imagine the

howls of the harpies when my " aromatherapy debunked and defended " webpage

went up :-) Since their claims and businesses are built upon sand, they

saw me shaking the foundation. Lately there have been earthquakes on idma,

particularlly about ARC, and I say, good, weed out the fakes and follies.

Chris made this oils/herbs group, I believe, to create a safe haven for

those interested in the oils, and that's great. I made the natural

perfumery group for the same reason, to get away from the flame wars, and

concentrate on aromachology, the root of AT. IDMA is unmoderated, this

group, and mine, are moderated. You can get a lot of the same information

on these groups without the flames, so it's very cool, indeed :-)http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

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May 14, 2003

> It's sad, because I think many good folk would

>volunteer to help NAHA

Well, I for one stepped up to be a regional director for NAHA.

My main objective is to educate fellow massage therapists on basic safety,

and how to add the therapeutic benefits of essential oils to massage

treatment(Like informing people about Heli italicum, for instance- so

amazing for massage)

I also wanted to find out what " True Aromatherapy " was...;-) So far, in my

asking, I have not received a solid answer...I am trying to find out exactly

what the teachings behind the NAHA guidelines are- and although they vaguely

state what should be taught in their various levels ,and which oils are

covered- I ask ~where is this info coming from- is there a standard? Are

there true standards to what Directors and schools on their list are out

there promoting?

I am interested in further education through the association...

but what is that education based on?

Michelle

May 14, 2003

In a message dated 5/14/2003 12:28:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

edandevmil writes:

> It sounds like the looneys are running the Asylum.

>

Hey Evelyn, The Loonies ARE the asylum. ;-)

Idma isn't actually anything but a server. you know, like AOL, Earthlink etc.

For some reason " The Aromatherapy List hosted by Idma " just got shortened to

" The Idma list " like idma has no other lists at all! ;-)

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

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May 14, 2003

Ok, Question. Exactly what does IDMA stand for? It's the first I've ever heard

of it or if it was mentioned only half of my brain must have been working that

day. I certainly want to steer clear of them. It sounds like the looneys are

running the Asylum.

MAKE A HAPPY MEMORY EVERY DAY:

Evelyn

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Anya

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:50 AM

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