Got Milk? Yes, But I Need More! Ideas Anyone?

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In a message dated 4/24/2003 7:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,

chrisziggy writes:

 

> Any ideas

> anyone?

>

 

Tried Fennel Tea? Supposed to help. Otherwise, me have no ideas - poor hungry

milk piggy!

 

Oh WAIT! I do have an idea, hire a wet nurse! ;-)

 

Cheers!

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Well,

 

I've worked 5 days now total since I've gone back part time, and I work

tomorrow ... and before I went off to work I left over 40 oz of pumped

milk in bags in the freezer, and I've been pumping 12-14 oz of milk at

work every day .. and in the 5 days I've been working Milk Piggy has

used up my whole frozen supply already (and of course used up the

freshly pumped stuff too)!

 

I am drinking the Traditional Medicinal's Mother's Milk tea blend, and

drinking a bunch of water. I have a good electric double pump (the

Medela Lactina Plus) but I still need to make more milk. Its really hard

to pump at home 'cause he eats quite often but I can't seem to pump

enough at work to keep up (14 oz obviously just doesn't cut it). He eats

like a cow and seems to think I'm a cow

 

He is 7 weeks, already he's gained over 4 lbs and grown over a whole

inch - he is, without a doubt a MILK PIGGY!

 

Adding cereal to his food is not an option at the moment (babies his age

do not have the digestive capabilities for even rice cereal yet and

doing that this young actually can greatly increase the chance of food

allergies and sensitivities later in life) and I will not supplement his

diet with formula either. I just need to make more milk. Any ideas

anyone?

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom - or maybe list moo is more like it

 

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[Guest guest]

The first things that come to my mind are fenugreek and blessed thistle, but

I bet they are already in that tea you are drinking. So let's think this

out. What you need to do is raise your prolactin levels, so what can you do

for that? What if you ate a lot of goat cheese and you yourself drank

goat's milk, do you think that would be enough to raise your own prolactin

levels? I know that women who are trying to conceive should avoid dairy

products (and I just don't believe in cow's milk anyway) b/c it will raise

thieir own prolatcin levels thereby making it more difficult to conceive

(like breastfeeding women don't tend to ovulate). Can't really come to any

conclusions for you, but maybe someone else will be able to run with this

and figure something out!

Debbie

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" chrisziggy " <chrisziggy

 

Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:08 PM

Got Milk? Yes, But I Need More! Ideas Anyone?

 

 

> Well,

>

> I've worked 5 days now total since I've gone back part time, and I work

> tomorrow ... and before I went off to work I left over 40 oz of pumped

> milk in bags in the freezer, and I've been pumping 12-14 oz of milk at

> work every day .. and in the 5 days I've been working Milk Piggy has

> used up my whole frozen supply already (and of course used up the

> freshly pumped stuff too)!

>

> I am drinking the Traditional Medicinal's Mother's Milk tea blend, and

> drinking a bunch of water. I have a good electric double pump (the

> Medela Lactina Plus) but I still need to make more milk. Its really hard

> to pump at home 'cause he eats quite often but I can't seem to pump

> enough at work to keep up (14 oz obviously just doesn't cut it). He eats

> like a cow and seems to think I'm a cow

>

> He is 7 weeks, already he's gained over 4 lbs and grown over a whole

> inch - he is, without a doubt a MILK PIGGY!

>

> Adding cereal to his food is not an option at the moment (babies his age

> do not have the digestive capabilities for even rice cereal yet and

> doing that this young actually can greatly increase the chance of food

> allergies and sensitivities later in life) and I will not supplement his

> diet with formula either. I just need to make more milk. Any ideas

> anyone?

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom - or maybe list moo is more like it

>

> Purdy Perfume Bottles

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

[Guest guest]

Just more and more water, that's supposed to help, especially if you sip on

water while you are nursing or pumping. Also fennel tea, and spritzing fennel

hydrosol on the breasts, I've heard.... I think that's what it is, oh I could

be wrong!! And just think more milk, more milk, more milk, you know, like

WILL your body to produce more milk. good luck!

Christy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Have you tried pumping while he nurses? A friend of mine adopted a baby

boy at the same time that I had my son and I gave her milk since she

didn't want to use formula. I would pump while my son nursed and I'd get

more doing it that way than if I pumped at another time. I would get 8+

oz. each time doing it that way.

I also drink about 20 oz. of ice water each time I sit down to nurse,

and I have always had way more milk than my kids needed, so I would

think drinking more water while nursing/pumping would help too.

I've never gotten the Mother's Milk Tea so I'm not sure what's in it but

I'm guessing all the usual herbs for helping milk are already in there,

so I can't think of anything else.

 

chrisziggy wrote:

 

> Its really hard

> to pump at home 'cause he eats quite often but I can't seem to pump

> enough at work to keep up (14 oz obviously just doesn't cut it). He

> eats

> like a cow and seems to think I'm a cow

>

 

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[Guest guest]

This is what I get for typing while distracted and tired. I don't drink

20 oz. every time I nurse right now. Man, my newborn nurses like, 20

times a day--that's a lot of water. LOL

I am always drinking water, not just for my milk production, but just

because I like water and I have always drank it all day long. I use a 20

oz. cup, so I always have that big cup with me when I sit down to nurse,

not that I drink that much each time I nurse, like I made it sound. I

drink about a gallon to a gallon and a half a day, and I know that has

something to do with why I always have so much milk. So I would think

being conscience of drinking more water would help with your milk.

 

>

> I also drink about 20 oz. of ice water each time I sit down to nurse,

 

--

<>< Erin

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Erin has some good advice there. Both breasts usually release milk at the

same time. I think I'd watch any highly aromatic foods like onions and

broccoli, and chocolate, when I ate those things, my baby boys got *bum*

rashes.

 

And contrary to popular opinion, there are better sources of calcium than

commercial cow's milk: Kale, Collard greens, and the like. You might want to

read up about what's in today's milk at http://nomilk.com,

http://milksucks.com, and http://notmilk.com . Milk isn't what it used to

be.

 

http://vegsource.com on the FAQ pages has information about milk, and the

USDA food nutrient datbase. I've sorted by calcium per calorie and milk is

way down on the list. I think they also have a breastfeeding chat board.

 

You could also try La Leche League, they provide breast milk.

 

Best wishes!

 

Kat

 

 

chrisziggy [chrisziggy]

Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:08 PM

 

Got Milk? Yes, But I Need More! Ideas Anyone?

 

 

Well,

 

I've worked 5 days now total since I've gone back part time, and I work

tomorrow ... and before I went off to work I left over 40 oz of pumped

milk in bags in the freezer, and I've been pumping 12-14 oz of milk at

work every day .. and in the 5 days I've been working Milk Piggy has

used up my whole frozen supply already (and of course used up the

freshly pumped stuff too)!

 

I am drinking the Traditional Medicinal's Mother's Milk tea blend, and

drinking a bunch of water. I have a good electric double pump (the

Medela Lactina Plus) but I still need to make more milk. Its really hard

to pump at home 'cause he eats quite often but I can't seem to pump

enough at work to keep up (14 oz obviously just doesn't cut it). He eats

like a cow and seems to think I'm a cow

 

He is 7 weeks, already he's gained over 4 lbs and grown over a whole

inch - he is, without a doubt a MILK PIGGY!

 

Adding cereal to his food is not an option at the moment (babies his age

do not have the digestive capabilities for even rice cereal yet and

doing that this young actually can greatly increase the chance of food

allergies and sensitivities later in life) and I will not supplement his

diet with formula either. I just need to make more milk. Any ideas

anyone?

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom - or maybe list moo is more like it

 

Purdy Perfume Bottles

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> And contrary to popular opinion, there are better sources of calcium than

> commercial cow's milk: Kale, Collard greens, and the like. You might want

to

> read up about what's in today's milk at http://nomilk.com,

> http://milksucks.com, and http://notmilk.com . Milk isn't what it used to

> be.

>

 

 

Commercially YES this is true-

but also check out www.realmilk.com

 

I am lucky enough to be able to go straight to my local, organic family farm

and buy my milk raw...deeeeeeeeeeelish- and we never have mucous/allergy

problems because of it-

 

And definitely eat your greens! Kale is one of my 3 year olds favorite

foods- and seaweed!

 

Michelle

[Guest guest]

Aw, real milk, hard to find these days. When I was away from my 3rd child

for a few days, while he was too young for solid foods, I put him on Raw

*Organic* Cow's milk, and he did just fine. Much better than I did,

engorgement is NOT fun! ;-)

 

Still, milk is something to eat and drink sparingly. Most Americans consume

way too much dairy, over 39% of their daily intake is dairy!!! See what

people eat:

 

http://www.vegsource.com/articles/milk_pyramid.htm

 

" The USDA hasn't been very effective in getting their present view of health

across to the American people. The average American eats nothing resembling

the USDA recommended dietary guidelines. According to the USDA itself, in

1994 the average American ate the following:

 

586 pounds of milk and dairy products

394 pounds of vegetables

199 pounds of meat, and

193 pounds of products containing flour and cereal

121 pounds of fresh fruit. "

 

And as for the butter on the veggies, I'll stick to sprinkling on the

sesame seeds and cashews, which have plenty of healthy fats in them. I put

ground up sesame seeds on my pizzas instead of cheese, and sesame seeds are

an excellent source of calcium too, I forgot about that! They add that

satisfying fatty cheesy taste without adding milk's hormones and

antibiotics.

 

I took my dogs off commercial pet food 3-4 years ago, and they are thriving

on vegetarian food. I make it myself, after looking at a couple of books and

getting an idea of dietary requirements. Their health has visibly improved,

and the 12 year old dog, who had arthritis and cataracts 4 years ago, is

totally recovered, and looks like he's only about 6. Raw cabbage is good for

clearing up cataracts, and the bounder went out into my garden and ate a

whole head of it, on his own, the cataracts cleared up in the next 3 months.

 

What's in commercial petfood? http://www.vegepet.com/

 

Totally off topic? sorry, just following the logical path.

 

Kat

 

 

 

 

Michelle Morton-niyama [lakshmi]

Friday, April 25, 2003 3:31 PM

 

Re: Got Milk? Yes, But I Need More! Ideas

Anyone?

 

 

 

> And contrary to popular opinion, there are better sources of calcium than

> commercial cow's milk: Kale, Collard greens, and the like. You might want

to

> read up about what's in today's milk at http://nomilk.com,

> http://milksucks.com, and http://notmilk.com . Milk isn't what it used to

> be.

>

 

 

Commercially YES this is true-

but also check out www.realmilk.com

 

I am lucky enough to be able to go straight to my local, organic family farm

and buy my milk raw...deeeeeeeeeeelish- and we never have mucous/allergy

problems because of it-

 

And definitely eat your greens! Kale is one of my 3 year olds favorite

foods- and seaweed!

 

Michelle

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hey Kat and other folks...

 

 

> " The USDA hasn't been very effective in getting their present view of

health

> across to the American people.

 

Ah the USDA- well IMO- they, and their food pyramid- are way off track....

 

 

> And as for the butter on the veggies, I'll stick to sprinkling on the

> sesame seeds and cashews, which have plenty of healthy fats in them. I put

> ground up sesame seeds on my pizzas instead of cheese, and sesame seeds

are

> an excellent source of calcium too, I forgot about that!

 

So true- nuts and seeds are excellent sources of calcium and many other

nutrients- the protein and minerals are even more absorbable if they are

soaked(like when making nut milks)

But butter(and cream) has a special affinity for helping the body absorb

vitamin A and other fat soluble vitamins...

 

>without adding milk's hormones and

> antibiotics.

 

My milk doesnt have those things! I wouldnt touch commercial milk with a ten

foot pole...

 

AND I was a vegan for awhile as well- and was very fanatic about veganism

and strict avoidance of any animal food...now I am more moderate...LOL

....but still a radical organic proponant- and I dont mean USDA organic giant

agribusiness farms-(although some of the stuff I buy comes from them I am

sure...) I support local, small, family farms- a resurgence that needs to

happen...

 

Michelle

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are on a good track, Michelle. We do eat organic eggs, but

for both of us, milk of any kind, including organic, gives us bloating and

gas. Think we are lactose intolerant, as lactase helps digest it.

 

I've been thinking along the same lines as you for quite awhile now. We do

need to get back to small farming and a farm does better with animals, and

using the manure to fertilize the garden, as a garden just doesn't do as

well without manure. It's the factory farming that has destroyed the meat

and dairy industries. But it's also destroyed the fruit and vegetable

industries as well. Organic food has more nutrients and tastes better!

 

The big problem in being vegan is that sometimes people try to just lose the

meat and dairy and eat what's left in a Standard American Diet, which leads

to serious health problems.

 

And as someone once said,

Beer and franks,

eaten with cheer and thanks,

is better than sprouts and bread,

eaten with fear and dread.

 

Kathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michelle Morton-niyama [lakshmi]

Friday, April 25, 2003 6:09 PM

 

Re: Got Milk? Yes, But I Need More! Ideas

Anyone?

 

 

Hey Kat and other folks...

 

 

> " The USDA hasn't been very effective in getting their present view of

health

> across to the American people.

 

Ah the USDA- well IMO- they, and their food pyramid- are way off track....

 

 

> And as for the butter on the veggies, I'll stick to sprinkling on the

> sesame seeds and cashews, which have plenty of healthy fats in them. I put

> ground up sesame seeds on my pizzas instead of cheese, and sesame seeds

are

> an excellent source of calcium too, I forgot about that!

 

So true- nuts and seeds are excellent sources of calcium and many other

nutrients- the protein and minerals are even more absorbable if they are

soaked(like when making nut milks)

But butter(and cream) has a special affinity for helping the body absorb

vitamin A and other fat soluble vitamins...

 

>without adding milk's hormones and

> antibiotics.

 

My milk doesnt have those things! I wouldnt touch commercial milk with a ten

foot pole...

 

AND I was a vegan for awhile as well- and was very fanatic about veganism

and strict avoidance of any animal food...now I am more moderate...LOL

....but still a radical organic proponant- and I dont mean USDA organic giant

agribusiness farms-(although some of the stuff I buy comes from them I am

sure...) I support local, small, family farms- a resurgence that needs to

happen...

 

Michelle

 

 

 

 

How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions

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[Guest guest]

>

> And as someone once said,

> Beer and franks,

> eaten with cheer and thanks,

> is better than sprouts and bread,

> eaten with fear and dread.

>

> Kathy

 

Cheers!

:-)

 

Michelle