Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Now see, I'm going to speak up for " The Other Side " . I've known women who were brought up in such a way that to Breast Feed made them feel so mentally uncomfortable that they would cry every time the baby wanted to feed. This of course made it more difficult for both of them to enjoy the feeding period. I've known women who DESPERATELY wanted to breast feed and just couldn't do it, some because of medication they were taking and some because the supply wasn't there and some because the support wasn't there and after suffering with bleeding cracked nipples they turned to the bottle and felt ASHAMED. Quite frankly, if the baby is growing well, and the feeding time is one of cuddles, warmth and love, who gives a monkey's how the baby was fed. I know I don't. Neither do the babies. All this talk about special benefits that babies receive CAN be true, but sometimes it doesn't matter one bit. I hate women being made to feel ashamed of the fact they had to /wanted to bottle feed. I was born in a generation of bottle feeders, I'm so darned healthy that I practically glow with it (except for the residual pneumonia LOL), I had no ear infections as a child/ the normal amount of colds and childhood diseases of the time and My IQ is quite satisfactory, thank you very much (Main arguments for Breast feeding). I got no more or less love than if I had been breastfed, in fact, knowing my mother I probably was better off in that department WITH the bottle. Now I KNOW that you aren't trying to make anyone feel unhappy, embarrassed, defensive, ashamed by their choice, but sometimes without intending to, that is what happens. So I just wanted to say something on their behalf. As for ME, yes I breast feed/fed. All four of them. However one of them would have been much happier with the bottle and so would I. He hated it, fought it, lost weight on it for a while and bit me every single time. Feeding time was a misery for both of us, he hated it so much. THAT baby SHOULD have had a bottle, but because I had the milk, I figured he was going to get it. STUPID move on my part, sometimes being a lactivist is a bad move. Next time (There will BE no next time!) I'll grab for that bottle in a heart beat. Some babies just do NOT want to breast feed, and that kid of mine is not the only one either. So. While most people these days agree that breast is best, sometimes it really isn't. Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen Allergy/Asthma friendly Woobeys http://www.woobeyworld.com - " Jan Gifford " <jangiff Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:37 AM Re: OT: LACtivist > I really must comment on this --- as a 50 yom of 3 (in their 20s). I > cannot believe the number of new mothers who choose to be drugged during > childbirth and then choose to bottle-feed their babies. During the 70s > and early 80s natural childbirth (Lamaze) was the way to go and I am so > thankful every day for the opportunity to experience the birth of my > children and have the close relationship with them during nursing. I > think that has largely contributed to our close relationship even now. > > OK --- of my high horse now!! > > Michelle Morton-niyama wrote: > > > > > > > > LOL I'll have to remember that and use it. (I'm one too!) > > > Karen J > > > > > > > > > i am a " militant lactivist! " > > > > Yeah- I heard it on line and there actually is a website > > www.lactivist.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 At 09:36 AM 03/04/2003 -0800, Kathleen Petrides wrote: >Now see, I'm going to speak up for " The Other Side " . Kathleen! My hero!! :-) I had epidurals and I bottle fed both of my children. This is the first time in all those years that I've ever gotten negative feedback/vibes from anyone because of those choices. >Quite frankly, if the baby is growing well, and the feeding time is one of >cuddles, warmth and love, who gives a monkey's how the baby was fed. I know >I don't. Neither do the babies. My children are now 26 and 30 years old. I didn't nurse either of them. I didn't have a medical reason or anything like that. I simply didn't want to. I held my babies during every feeding; I enjoyed the feedings. There was lots of smiling and cooing going on, and it was a very relaxing time for me. Even now I still think I would choose to bottle feed. Breastfeeding just doesn't sound like something that I would enjoy. >Now I KNOW that you aren't trying to make anyone feel unhappy, >embarrassed, defensive, ashamed by their choice, but sometimes without >intending to, that is what happens. So I just wanted to say something on >their behalf. And I thank you. :-) I'm just glad that we have choices; and I don't think any woman should be made to feel any better or any worse because of the choice she made. -- Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Hey Kathleen, It is true we sometimes forget the things you've pointed out. Good to have people of all opinions who are willing to share. >Some babies just do NOT want to breast feed, and that kid of >mine is not the only one either. > >So. While most people these days agree that breast is best, sometimes it >really isn't. Okay, so if you want to baby to have breasmilk, but baby wants a bottle, get a Medela and pump and go. Best of both in that case. You can still get that close cuddle bond time Cheers to you too, Margaret _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Hi Kath I'm really glad you posted this up. My daughter was desparate to breast feed. The had thrush in her milk ducts and the pain was, she said, just like bee stings. She is so determined that she expresses her milk all the time and then feeds it by bottle, but the thrush has not cleared, she is to have an extra dose of medication and she says that if at the end of it it is no better - it hurts her so much when she feeds him, that she will just have to go totally on to the bottle. She is so upset about it and comforting herself with the fact that he has had at least her milk for the first 6 weeks. It was so painful to watch her fighting back the tears when he was put to the breast because it was so painful. So yes, it may be the best, but there just have to be exceptions and those that don't manage mustn't be made to feel failures Regards Ann - Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Hey Margaret Grabbing the Medela would defeat the whole purpose of why I breast feed. I'll let you in on a deep dark secret. I don't breast feed because it will/could/might enhance the IQ or because of any health benefits. Nope! I do it for one reason and one reason only, I'M LAZY! It's much easier and quicker to whip out a boob than to sterilize, warm, cool, carry, clean bottles. :-) One think I neglected to mention on my soap box. Some babies aren't even physically capable of nursing, especially those with severe cleft palates etc. Now. Speaking of babies, I've got pneumonia baby here playing with my mouse and telling me to come cuddle/play. This note has take 6x longer than it should! ARGH! Babies! Who'd have 'em! Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen http://www.woobeyworld.com - " Margaret Helm-Duell " <naturalindulgences Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:44 AM Re: OT: LACtivist/Opposing view > Hey Kathleen, > > It is true we sometimes forget the things you've pointed out. Good to have > people of all opinions who are willing to share. > > >Some babies just do NOT want to breast feed, and that kid of > >mine is not the only one either. > > > >So. While most people these days agree that breast is best, sometimes it > >really isn't. > > Okay, so if you want to baby to have breasmilk, but baby wants a bottle, get > a Medela and pump and go. Best of both in that case. You can still get that > close cuddle bond time > > Cheers to you too, > Margaret > > _______________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To Un send a blank e-mail to: - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Tell your daughter to get off that medication!! It's the worst thing you can do for thrush. I know I had thrush and took meds for it for 6 months off and on with my first and I quit breast feeding because of it. The pain was horrible. When it started with my son, I found all sorts of remedies and I only had one bout of thrush with him. The name of it is completely gone out of my head right now, but it's a purple liquid that you rub on your nipples and it clears up the thrush. I'm sure someone on here will have the name of it. She can also go on a candida diet, remove sugar from her diet, take & rub on acidopholus, all sorts of things to do that really help. I don't know why doctors give medication for thrush anymore, it only makes it worse. Ann Thorpe wrote: > she is to have an extra dose of medication and she says that if at > the end of it it is no better - it hurts her so much when she feeds > him, that she will just have to go totally on to the bottle. -- <>< Erin HomeSchooling my Trio; 6 yo Entertainer, 5 yo Warrior, 3 yo Comedian Countdown to Sprout's Arrival: 4 weeks! Owner of http://www.edenessentials.com/store Like Pampered Chef? Get it for FREE! Email me, I'm a PC Independent Consultant. http://www.pamperedchef.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Hi Everyone, I have to agree with Kathleen. I wanted to breast feed terribly but being in the military and away from my children a lot of the time - it just wasn't feasible. My sister is one of the people who was unable to breast feed because the baby just plan did not want to like Kathleen said. My children were never sick (except one small case of mono with my son). I thank the good lord everyday they were healthy. Both of my children are extremely intelligent and being bottle fed did not hurt them one bit. For those that wish to and are able to - that is great but for those that can not for whatever the reason - bottle feeding is great too. I believe that closeness can still be there with mother and child during the cuddling and playing that goes on. Also the Dad gets to join in this closeness when he has his turn at bottle feeding. Both are good and both have there up and down points to them. ===== Cheryl Smith A Heavenly Body 204 Muldoon Road Anchorage AK 99504 Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 > I hate women being made to feel ashamed of the fact they had to /wanted to > bottle feed. Hate is a horrible word- So why do these women feel ashamed if they truly agree with their decision not to nurse? I pray that each woman who truly wats to nurse has the support to do so - the first couple of months are(can be) HARD- and then it is SO worth it! Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 P.S. My son was born in the hospital with an epidural and I was on oxygen because he was not laying correctly. My daughter was born in 20 minutes - at home in the bathroom. Not a very nice place and I was scared witless. My dad delivered her. ===== Cheryl Smith A Heavenly Body 204 Muldoon Road Anchorage AK 99504 Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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