Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 lilliancrowe and all~ Perhaps I have been quiet too long. This was meant as sick humor the key phases being " We must ban >doctors before this gets out of hand!!! As a public health measure, >We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock could >cause people to seek medical attention. (IMO that is probably true of some). As to being careful with stats. I learned a long time ago stats can be interrupted many ways. I watch every year as folks from the university take " stats " from various studies and apply for additional government monies to continue their research. Stats are manipulated and interrupted in a variety of ways. Oh small note my husband taught stats for 15 years before he became involved with a research project for National Institute of Mental Health. Sorry for tripping anyones nerves, in the future I will attempt a more fair and balanced subject line, something like OT: Stats humor or not you decide. As to the situation at Duke University, it is a very sad situation. Duke I am sure will take full responsibility and make a monetary settlement, not that any of that makes it right for the girl or her family. Yet since the organs where harvested at a different hospital it is possible and perhaps probable the problem began with a mistyping of blood type. If this had not been international news, my educated guess is it could have been covered up by saying the body rejected the organs. We have a university teaching hospital here also, University of Wisconsin at Madison. Some of the earliest heart transplants were done here. It has a good reputation for cardiology and cancer research. I am doing some aroma work with a Prof, who a year ago had abdominal surgery, when they took her to recovery her sutures broke and her intestines spilled out. This was the first time this 39 year had ever had a procedure and she was scared to death. Ah but they is more, when they took her back to surgery to repair the sutures and then they left a sponge in her abdomen. It took 8 months before the doctor came to terms with the fact they needed to go back in and see what was causing the problem. As the doc was positive that altho it looked like a sponge in the X-ray all sponges had been counted and accounted for. Now this Prof has a incisional hernia. Another surgery is scheduled. (She like so many others love Butch's Rose Otto!) I am well aware this case will never make the papers or news. But I am also aware there will be a malpractice suit. Our number of medical students at UW is down across the board. Some tests that folks need to have done through the health clinic here have waiting periods of 12 months, why because of the shortage of folks who do them. Folks who wish to study nursing can do so at almost no out of pocket expense if they agree to work for 5 years in a hospital that has severe personnel shortages. Oh wouldn't that be a fun way to get started in a career. In my mind I see that about equal to getting started in a M.A.S.H. unit. Which for some is an excellent way to get experience. Well again sorry if I tripped anyone out. Just my sick approach to humor. Sincerely, Janet aka Sineád >You have not accounted for the myriad mistakes made by non-doctor medical >employees. Your conclusions are well spirited...but based on faulty math. >Example: don't know for sure, but this poor 17 yr old who was given a >wrong blood type heart would be included in stats and blamed on the >operating doctor, when the problem may have been a lab tech mystyping the >blood. I wrote malpractice coverage for doctors and hospitals in New >England. The mistakes are terrible, but global across the industry. The >doctors are only a part of the problem. Also many lawsuits that are not >well founded, enter the frey. Be careful with stats. They are a slippery >sloap. I learned that back in the early sixties when I took several >courses at the Cal State University campus in Hayward. .... Blessed Be. >Look to your circles of magic for the best healing. Derius Stream > - > Janet Golden-Hogan > > Friday, February 21, 2003 10:52 PM > OT: Stats > > > Food for thought? > > 1. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000. > 2. Accidental deaths by physicians per year are 120,000. > 3. Accidental deaths per physicians are .171. > (US DEPT. OF Health and Human Services stats) > > Think about this; > > 1. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000. > 2. The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1500. > 3. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188. > > Statistically, Doctors are 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. > > Fact: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE > DOCTOR............ > > Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban > doctors before this gets out of hand!!! As a public health measure, > We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock could > cause people to seek medical attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 >Perhaps I have been quiet too long. Yes, I've missed you! >This was meant as sick humor and I'm pleased to say that here is just one person that took it as that! Hope you're well Ann - Scotland Well again sorry if I tripped anyone out. Just my sick approach to humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 *Waving* across the big pond to Miss Ann. Hope you and yours are also well. We have all been a bit quiet it seems. Does anyone know when Chris's due date is? Perhaps a pool is in order? Or has be given birth to the new Prince/Princess? Seems we should be able to stir the pot, cauldron or kettle a bit and cause some small ruckus! LOL > >Perhaps I have been quiet too long. > >Yes, I've missed you! > > >This was meant as sick humor >and I'm pleased to say that here is just one person that took it as that! > >Hope you're well >Ann - Scotland > > >Well again sorry if I tripped anyone out. Just my sick approach to >humor. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 *Waving back " Chris is due in March some time My little grandbaby is wonderful! - he came along on 19th January and all are well, thanks. Yes, it's good to stir the cauldron at times, folk need to remember lightheartedness sometimes Regards Ann *Waving* across the big pond to Miss Ann. Hope you and yours are also well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Don't sweat the details...I thought it led to a lively discussion on med malpractice. SMILE. Blessed Be--have a great day. Derius Stream. - Janet Golden-Hogan Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:56 PM Re: OT: Stats Humor or not lilliancrowe and all~ Perhaps I have been quiet too long. This was meant as sick humor the key phases being " We must ban >doctors before this gets out of hand!!! As a public health measure, >We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock could >cause people to seek medical attention. (IMO that is probably true of some). As to being careful with stats. I learned a long time ago stats can be interrupted many ways. I watch every year as folks from the university take " stats " from various studies and apply for additional government monies to continue their research. Stats are manipulated and interrupted in a variety of ways. Oh small note my husband taught stats for 15 years before he became involved with a research project for National Institute of Mental Health. Sorry for tripping anyones nerves, in the future I will attempt a more fair and balanced subject line, something like OT: Stats humor or not you decide. As to the situation at Duke University, it is a very sad situation. Duke I am sure will take full responsibility and make a monetary settlement, not that any of that makes it right for the girl or her family. Yet since the organs where harvested at a different hospital it is possible and perhaps probable the problem began with a mistyping of blood type. If this had not been international news, my educated guess is it could have been covered up by saying the body rejected the organs. We have a university teaching hospital here also, University of Wisconsin at Madison. Some of the earliest heart transplants were done here. It has a good reputation for cardiology and cancer research. I am doing some aroma work with a Prof, who a year ago had abdominal surgery, when they took her to recovery her sutures broke and her intestines spilled out. This was the first time this 39 year had ever had a procedure and she was scared to death. Ah but they is more, when they took her back to surgery to repair the sutures and then they left a sponge in her abdomen. It took 8 months before the doctor came to terms with the fact they needed to go back in and see what was causing the problem. As the doc was positive that altho it looked like a sponge in the X-ray all sponges had been counted and accounted for. Now this Prof has a incisional hernia. Another surgery is scheduled. (She like so many others love Butch's Rose Otto!) I am well aware this case will never make the papers or news. But I am also aware there will be a malpractice suit. Our number of medical students at UW is down across the board. Some tests that folks need to have done through the health clinic here have waiting periods of 12 months, why because of the shortage of folks who do them. Folks who wish to study nursing can do so at almost no out of pocket expense if they agree to work for 5 years in a hospital that has severe personnel shortages. Oh wouldn't that be a fun way to get started in a career. In my mind I see that about equal to getting started in a M.A.S.H. unit. Which for some is an excellent way to get experience. Well again sorry if I tripped anyone out. Just my sick approach to humor. Sincerely, Janet aka Sineád >You have not accounted for the myriad mistakes made by non-doctor medical >employees. Your conclusions are well spirited...but based on faulty math. >Example: don't know for sure, but this poor 17 yr old who was given a >wrong blood type heart would be included in stats and blamed on the >operating doctor, when the problem may have been a lab tech mystyping the >blood. I wrote malpractice coverage for doctors and hospitals in New >England. The mistakes are terrible, but global across the industry. The >doctors are only a part of the problem. Also many lawsuits that are not >well founded, enter the frey. Be careful with stats. They are a slippery >sloap. I learned that back in the early sixties when I took several >courses at the Cal State University campus in Hayward. .... Blessed Be. >Look to your circles of magic for the best healing. Derius Stream > - > Janet Golden-Hogan > > Friday, February 21, 2003 10:52 PM > OT: Stats > > > Food for thought? > > 1. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000. > 2. Accidental deaths by physicians per year are 120,000. > 3. Accidental deaths per physicians are .171. > (US DEPT. OF Health and Human Services stats) > > Think about this; > > 1. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000. > 2. The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1500. > 3. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188. > > Statistically, Doctors are 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. > > Fact: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE > DOCTOR............ > > Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban > doctors before this gets out of hand!!! As a public health measure, > We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock could > cause people to seek medical attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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