Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Thanks, as always Butch! What confuses me is that in the back of her book, on pg.404, both the Moroccan and the Bulgarian are listed as rose damascena, which is why I had the question in the first place. Do you think that is just a misprint? I really think the recipe has some merit, b/c Worwood's main area of research expertise is aromatherapy and its effect of endometriosis and infertility, so there is a lot of research behind her blends in this area. Bottom line -- it sounds like you are saying that the damascena, no matter where it is from, has a higher amount of the benefical chemicals in its profile, if I am reading this correctly. Debbie deb Cure your winter blues with some springy soaps! http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/soaps.shtml - " Butch Owen " <butchbsi Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:10 AM Rose Question > Hey Debbie, > > > In Worwood's book, there is a recipe for endometriosis that I want to > > try that calls for rose maroc (rose damascena from Morocco). She is > > very clear to use this one, and not one from Bulgaria. > > Too different oils .. Bulgarians and Turks make Rose Otto from Damask > Rose .. Rosa damascena. Moroccan Rose Oil (its NOT Rose Otto) is from > the Rosa centifiolia .. different chemical structure. In fact, there is > not much Rose Oil made from Rosa centifolia .. its primarily used as > Concrete from which Absolute is made .. and for Hydrosols. > > > But Butch, my friend, how does the Moroccan compare to the Turkish > > in its profile > > Two different plants .. totally different range of chemical profiles. > Rose Morroco (Rosa centifolia) has considerably less of the main > chemical component Citronellol (18-22%) .. than Rosa damascena (28-40%). > > > and what is so different about the one from Bulgaria that it wouldn't > > be acceptable for this recipe? > > Not saying it wouldn't be acceptable. But two different plants .. two > totally different chemical profiles. The pure Bulgarian will resemble > the Pure Turkish .. Rosa damascenas that is .. but neither will resemble > Rosa centifolia as far as percentages are concerned .. the footprint. > > As for why it wouldn't be good for that recipe .. hard to say. I'm not > sure it wouldn't be good .. in fact, hard to say if that recipe is worth > a nickel in the second place. Could be she was selling Moroccan Rose > Oil or had a friend who was selling it. Its not a real popular rose oil. > > I know where you got that .. her Complete Book of EO & AT .. which the > title alone tells me there is a bit of embellishing as nobody can write > a complete book of anything. I saw that recipe for a sitz bath on page > 238 .. and I skimmed it quickly cause I am sorta running against a clock > right now. But I don't see any indication where she is saying you can > NOT substitute Rosa damascena. Maybe she wrote Rosa centifolia because > she likes the odor .. who knows. > > Professer Dr. Baser here in Turkey .. he and some other professors .. to > include Medical Doctor types .. did a great experiment on Lung Cancer in > rats .. I wrote on that once. They cured it .. completely. Later, when > I asked him why he used Origanum onites instead of some other Origanum, > he grinned and told me it was cause it was what he had on hand. Get my > point on the Worwood switch? > > To put it a bit differently .. you don't have to know a lot about AT to > write an AT book cause its pretty much eclectic and personal opinion .. > generalizations and regurgitations of previous recipes or hype will get > you a long way and its hard to say someone is wrong. But you gotta know > a lot about EOs to write an EO book cause there is no opinion there .. > its facts only .. and those with the real facts will take you to case. > > But as for Bulgarian Rosa damascena .. it is certainly not better than > Turkish Rosa damascena. Quite to the contrary in fact because Turkish > is well-controlled by the government .. as was the case many years ago > when the Commies ran Bulgaria .. but when they left the Mafia moved in > so now you have to be careful. You can get fine Rose Otto from Bulgaria > and you can get some that is loaded with Phenyl ethyl alcohol (PET). > Finally, Bulgaria produces far less than does Turkey and last year they > had a bad crop .. what is their answer to shortages? Well .. they are > not experienced with capitalism .. so they raised their prices from 35% > to 45% .. knowing they wouldn't have enough to last till the next crop > and distillation anyway. > > What effect did that have on Turkish Rose Otto? They increased a bit. > Not much .. 10%. And ALL of the 2000 and 2001 Turkish Rose Otto is sold > out! This has NEVER happened before. Nobody dreamed that they would > sell out on ALL of Crop 2000 . and I'd have given 10 to 1 odds they > would not have sold out Crop 2001 already as its not happened in all the > years I have worked this business. But when the Bulgarians raised their > prices around there was a big run on Turkish Rose Otto by the Perfumery > companies. The Turkish price increase of 10% .. the first raise in 7 > years, though inflation was more than 400% in that period .. is small > and lucky we were that the cost was pegged to the dollar instead of > the Turkish Lira. > > If you want to know a bit more about Turkish vs the potential to get > good .. or bad .. Bulgarian Rose Otto .. read my URL on this again. > http://www.av-at.com/distillation/rosadamascena1.html > > > Thanks! > > Debbie > > deb > > Cure your winter blues with some springy soaps! > > http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/soaps.shtml > > Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com > > PS: Didn't get to a lot of mail today .. was out almost all day and its > now a bit after 9 at night and I gotta run out again. So still .. I > didn't forget anybody .. just running behind the power curve I am. > > How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To Un send a blank e-mail to: - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Hey Debbie, > In Worwood's book, there is a recipe for endometriosis that I want to > try that calls for rose maroc (rose damascena from Morocco). She is > very clear to use this one, and not one from Bulgaria. Too different oils .. Bulgarians and Turks make Rose Otto from Damask Rose .. Rosa damascena. Moroccan Rose Oil (its NOT Rose Otto) is from the Rosa centifiolia .. different chemical structure. In fact, there is not much Rose Oil made from Rosa centifolia .. its primarily used as Concrete from which Absolute is made .. and for Hydrosols. > But Butch, my friend, how does the Moroccan compare to the Turkish > in its profile Two different plants .. totally different range of chemical profiles. Rose Morroco (Rosa centifolia) has considerably less of the main chemical component Citronellol (18-22%) .. than Rosa damascena (28-40%). > and what is so different about the one from Bulgaria that it wouldn't > be acceptable for this recipe? Not saying it wouldn't be acceptable. But two different plants .. two totally different chemical profiles. The pure Bulgarian will resemble the Pure Turkish .. Rosa damascenas that is .. but neither will resemble Rosa centifolia as far as percentages are concerned .. the footprint. As for why it wouldn't be good for that recipe .. hard to say. I'm not sure it wouldn't be good .. in fact, hard to say if that recipe is worth a nickel in the second place. Could be she was selling Moroccan Rose Oil or had a friend who was selling it. Its not a real popular rose oil. I know where you got that .. her Complete Book of EO & AT .. which the title alone tells me there is a bit of embellishing as nobody can write a complete book of anything. I saw that recipe for a sitz bath on page 238 .. and I skimmed it quickly cause I am sorta running against a clock right now. But I don't see any indication where she is saying you can NOT substitute Rosa damascena. Maybe she wrote Rosa centifolia because she likes the odor .. who knows. Professer Dr. Baser here in Turkey .. he and some other professors .. to include Medical Doctor types .. did a great experiment on Lung Cancer in rats .. I wrote on that once. They cured it .. completely. Later, when I asked him why he used Origanum onites instead of some other Origanum, he grinned and told me it was cause it was what he had on hand. Get my point on the Worwood switch? To put it a bit differently .. you don't have to know a lot about AT to write an AT book cause its pretty much eclectic and personal opinion .. generalizations and regurgitations of previous recipes or hype will get you a long way and its hard to say someone is wrong. But you gotta know a lot about EOs to write an EO book cause there is no opinion there .. its facts only .. and those with the real facts will take you to case. But as for Bulgarian Rosa damascena .. it is certainly not better than Turkish Rosa damascena. Quite to the contrary in fact because Turkish is well-controlled by the government .. as was the case many years ago when the Commies ran Bulgaria .. but when they left the Mafia moved in so now you have to be careful. You can get fine Rose Otto from Bulgaria and you can get some that is loaded with Phenyl ethyl alcohol (PET). Finally, Bulgaria produces far less than does Turkey and last year they had a bad crop .. what is their answer to shortages? Well .. they are not experienced with capitalism .. so they raised their prices from 35% to 45% .. knowing they wouldn't have enough to last till the next crop and distillation anyway. What effect did that have on Turkish Rose Otto? They increased a bit. Not much .. 10%. And ALL of the 2000 and 2001 Turkish Rose Otto is sold out! This has NEVER happened before. Nobody dreamed that they would sell out on ALL of Crop 2000 . and I'd have given 10 to 1 odds they would not have sold out Crop 2001 already as its not happened in all the years I have worked this business. But when the Bulgarians raised their prices around there was a big run on Turkish Rose Otto by the Perfumery companies. The Turkish price increase of 10% .. the first raise in 7 years, though inflation was more than 400% in that period .. is small and lucky we were that the cost was pegged to the dollar instead of the Turkish Lira. If you want to know a bit more about Turkish vs the potential to get good .. or bad .. Bulgarian Rose Otto .. read my URL on this again. http://www.av-at.com/distillation/rosadamascena1.html > Thanks! > Debbie > deb > Cure your winter blues with some springy soaps! > http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/soaps.shtml Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com PS: Didn't get to a lot of mail today .. was out almost all day and its now a bit after 9 at night and I gotta run out again. So still .. I didn't forget anybody .. just running behind the power curve I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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