Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Okay, Pak Lan didn't get much of a rise from this group, save for Anya kindly directing me to Aloha Tropicals... My research has led me to learn that a more commonly used name for the same tree is White Champaca. It is supposedly used for " Joy perfume, the most expensive perfume in the world. " So, it is coveted. Does anyone have anything to share about it as an EO? It's uses? Resources? I know it's of Southeast Asian origins... Butch! In your vast travels and experience, have you run across it much? Aloha, Asira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 In a message dated 2/7/03 1:40:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, dingos101 writes: > Resources? > Did you check Sun Rose Aromatics. She has an extensive perfum list of e/o's. Then again there is always White Lotus Aromatics. I think on his site he has extensive information about it. Hope this is what you are thinking. http://members.aol.com/parijata/champa.html Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 At 01:40 AM 2/7/2003 EST, dingos101 wrote: >Okay, >Pak Lan didn't get much of a rise from this group, save for Anya kindly >directing me to Aloha Tropicals... >My research has led me to learn that a more commonly used name for the same >tree is White Champaca. It is supposedly used for " Joy perfume, the most >expensive perfume in the world. " So, it is coveted. >Does anyone have anything to share about it as an EO? >It's uses? >Resources? I think whitelotusaromatics.com might have it -- as an absolute, not an EO. You could do a google search using michalea champaca absolute and see what comes up.http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Thanks, Jackie, Thanks, Anya. WhiteLotus has it -- SD, from China, $26/oz. Is he considered a reliable supplier, in terms of purity? Is that a reasonable price? Asira In a message dated 2/7/03 4:33:27 AM, JCrobin838 writes: << Did you check Sun Rose Aromatics. She has an extensive perfum list of e/o's. Then again there is always White Lotus Aromatics. I think on his site he has extensive information about it. Hope this is what you are thinking. http://members.aol.com/parijata/champa.html Jackie >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 In a message dated 2/9/03 2:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, dingos101 writes: > Thanks, Jackie, Thanks, Anya. WhiteLotus has it -- SD, from China, $26/oz. > Is he considered a reliable supplier, in terms of purity? Is that a > reasonable price? > > Asira > > Truly couldn't say. Have not ordered from them yet. Been reading a lot there. Seems reasonable to me. Others on the list might have ordered from them before. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Anya, I don't know if we are reading from the same place, but here's the link: <A HREF= " http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/prices/eoc.html " >Essential Oil Prices (includes organic and wild…</A> ( http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/prices/eoc.html ) and this is what I read: Sample-.05 oz/$2 ~~~~ 1/2 oz./$17.10 ~~~ 1 oz./$26 ~~~ 4 oz./$96.72 8 oz./$177.84 ~~~ 16 oz./$324.48 ~~~ 32 oz./$582.40 I'm also quite sure I read " steam distilled. " Is that not what " SD " stands for? Asira In a message dated 2/9/03 5:55:02 AM, mccoy writes: You need to re-read the prices. That's for .05 oz sample. It's 350/oz. Forgot to add - it's not SD, it's solvent extracted -- an absolute, not an EO. http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © >> << At 07:26 AM 2/9/2003 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/03 2:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, dingos101 >writes: > >> Thanks, Jackie, Thanks, Anya. WhiteLotus has it -- SD, from China, $26/oz. >> Is he considered a reliable supplier, in terms of purity? Is that a >> reasonable price? >> >> Asira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 At 07:26 AM 2/9/2003 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/03 2:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, dingos101 >writes: > >> Thanks, Jackie, Thanks, Anya. WhiteLotus has it -- SD, from China, $26/oz. >> Is he considered a reliable supplier, in terms of purity? Is that a >> reasonable price? >> >> Asira You need to re-read the prices. That's for .05 oz sample. It's 350/oz.http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 At 01:42 PM 2/9/2003 EST, you wrote: >Anya, >( http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/prices/eoc.html ) > >and this is what I read: > > >Sample-.05 oz/$2 ~~~~ 1/2 oz./$17.10 ~~~ 1 oz./$26 ~~~ 4 oz./$96.72 > >8 oz./$177.84 ~~~ 16 oz./$324.48 ~~~ 32 oz./$582.40 > >I'm also quite sure I read " steam distilled. " Is that not what " SD " stands >for? > >Asira > > >In a message dated 2/9/03 5:55:02 AM, mccoy writes: > > >You need to re-read the prices. That's for .05 oz sample. It's 350/oz. I went right to the absolutes page, you went to the EO page. I didn't know there was an EO ofM. alba. Weird.http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Oh, God. How embarrassing. I'm looking at white lotus abs, the discussion is on M. alba, and I shouldn't be posting since I've been involved with the Marley festival this week/weekend, hardly any sleep and really groggy. Asira, I'll try to sort it out in a day or so, I'm just too tired and hungry right now -- gonna go get some spicy Indian food to wake me up. In my state, however, I may drive to a Thai restaurant, hee hee. http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 OK, I'm slowly making my way back among the living --- partytime and festivals can really wear you out and make you confuse URL names with botanical names :-) Asira, when I was quoting whitelotusaromatics.com prices, I spaced and quoted the price for white lotus absolute! Hope you realized that. You were asking abot White champaca, M. alba. I still think his prices for that are weirdly low, either a typo or he's selling the leaf oil, which is much cheaper. You know, when the relative tree, M. champaca, is cited, it's often quoted as one of the world's most expensive oils. In addition, it's an absolute or concrete, usually, not to say that an EO doesn't exist. Many say they sell it. Another confusing part is calling it Magnolia flower. It is not a Magnolia, although it is in the magnolia 'family' of plants. It is as different from Magnolia grandifloria as Citrus paridisi is from Citrus limon, actually even more different, even though the Citruses are in the same family. A better example would be Ruta graveolens is in the citrus family, but a very, very different plant. Actually, I think the tree you are asking about is M. champaca 'alba', and the alba is less fragrant than the yellow flower (the one used in Joy perfume). I googled some sites for M. alba prices. Ignore the first, from aromavera, they are grossly commercial, but check out some of the others: http://tinyurl.com/5o42 Hope this helps. BTW, I think you should check with local nurseries and get one of each -- the yellow and the white flowered ones - -and grow them yourself, and at least infuse the flowers in oil for skincare and massage and making perfumes. http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 In a message dated 2/11/03 6:49:12 AM, mccoy writes: << Asira, when I was quoting whitelotusaromatics.com prices, I spaced and quoted the price for white lotus absolute! Hope you realized that. You were asking abot White champaca, M. alba. I still think his prices for that are weirdly low, either a typo or he's selling the leaf oil, which is much cheaper.>> They have the leaf, too. Yes, it's cheaper. <<Another confusing part is calling it Magnolia flower. It is not a Magnolia, although it is in the magnolia 'family' of plants.>> Sunrose is selling a " Magnolia Flower Absolute - Michelia Alba( Magnoliaceae) " for 10ml/$46. (It's actually on sale now.) What would you make of that? <<Actually, I think the tree you are asking about is M. champaca 'alba', and the alba is less fragrant than the yellow flower (the one used in Joy perfume). BTW, I think you should check with local nurseries and get one of each -- the yellow and the white flowered ones - -and grow them yourself, and at least infuse the flowers in oil for skincare and massage and making perfumes. >> Yes. That's an excellent suggestion. That's a project for me, right there!!! Aloha, Asira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 In a message dated 2/12/03 1:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, dingos101 writes: > I still think his prices for that are > > weirdly low, either a typo or he's selling the leaf oil, which is much > > cheaper.>> > > I think this is true. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 At 01:48 PM 2/12/2003 EST, you wrote: ><<Another confusing part is calling it Magnolia flower. It is not a Magnolia, > >although it is in the magnolia 'family' of plants.>> > >Sunrose is selling a " Magnolia Flower Absolute - Michelia Alba( >Magnoliaceae) " for 10ml/$46. (It's actually on sale now.) What would you make >of that? That's why it's so important to know botanical names. Rosanne is using the common name 'magnolia flower', but it is not magnolia grandiflora, a tree native to southern U.S. with huge white flowers. I wish the general trade would stop using that name for champaca, aka michelia alba or m. champaca. Here is what thegoodscentscompany.com says about M. champaca (they don't even list M. grandiflora.): Extracted with petroleum ether from the flowers of Michelia Champaca to obtain the concrete and then extraction with alcohol to form the absolute. Its color is a pale yellow to pale olive yellow or greenish yellow and the odor is sweet oily grassy, perilla oil, freshly cut stems and leafy. >BTW, I think you should check with local nurseries and get > >one of each -- the yellow and the white flowered ones - -and grow them > >yourself, and at least infuse the flowers in oil for skincare and massage > >and making perfumes. > >Yes. That's an excellent suggestion. That's a project for me, right there!!! Interesting about trying to get the plant here in Florida. Seems I read on a webpage that the seeds don't sprout, and cuttings are near impossible, so they said it wasn't available. The PlantFinder book, however, a listing source for theindustry (I'm a landscape designer) lists one place that has a 3 gal. pot of it for $50, and a $7 gal. for $200 or so. Very expensive. I think they say the 7 gal is about 7' tall. I wonder if it's more readily available in Hawaii for a better price.http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 In a message dated 2/12/03 9:24:36 AM, mccoy writes: << Interesting about trying to get the plant here in Florida. Seems I read on a webpage that the seeds don't sprout, and cuttings are near impossible, so they said it wasn't available. The PlantFinder book, however, a listing source for theindustry (I'm a landscape designer) lists one place that has a 3 gal. pot of it for $50, and a $7 gal. for $200 or so. Very expensive. I think they say the 7 gal is about 7' tall. I wonder if it's more readily available in Hawaii for a better price. >> I'm not actually counting too much on the local nursuries as my supplier of the champaca.... It would be more plentifully seen, if it were something many nursuries carried. (At least on Kauai -- don't know about other Islands. Though, apparently, there's a mail-order exotic trees/plants company on Big Island, of which I don't have the name at the moment, which may very well have it.) I mean, they hardly even have ylangylang here, and I hardly know of it in people's yards, and that really easy to grow, I believe. There just doesn't seem to be much awareness or interest here. Have have read on some message boards about people in S.Calif growing the champaca and nursuries there carrying it. BTW, I learned from an Indian friend yesterday that the scent of Nag Champa incense is derived from the Yellow champaca. Aloha Asira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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