Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi All, especially Cattle Vets, Sunny (from another list) wrote: > Hi Phil I came across this site while looking for info on Vit B Complex > injectibles. I felt there were some recipes for mastitis in cows etc > and other conditions. Do you agree? Can it be converted to humans IF it > is a good formula. http://www.mosesorganic.org/ob/brunetti.htm Thanks > Sunny There are other suggestions on lameness, pneumonia, etc. I will confine comment to the excerpt on mastitis, below. A summary of the ingredients is: (1) ORAL SUPPLEMENTS: allspice, apple cider vinegar, blackstrap molasses, cayenne pepper, celery seed, cinnamon, clove, dandelion leaves & root, echinacea root, garlic bulb, ginger, goldenseal or Oregon grape root or barberry root, hydrogen peroxide (pro-oxidant) [but not at same time as Vit C or E (antioxidant) or selenium], juniper berries, Lugols iodine solution, tea (2) TOPICAL APPLICATION: Vick's vapor rub + frequent stripping (3) INJECTION: colostrum whey, hydrogen peroxide (pro-oxidant) [but not at same time as Vit C or E or selenium (antioxidant)]; selenium, Vit C (ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate), Vit D, Vit E COMMENTS: As I have no experience of using these formulas, I defer to colleagues on the list for expert comment. However, my general comments are: There are inconsistencies in the advice. Several of the herbs have antioxidant properties, yet he mentions no conflict between those herbs and H2O2 (1) ORAL SUPPLEMENTS: These all look as if they could be useful in mastitis - as blood movers, immunostimulants, digestives (ST runs through mamma) or LV tonics (LV controls ST, and LV is under heavy pressure in high-yield cows). (2) TOPICAL APPLICATION: IMO, this is weak; there are several other herbals that could be used topically in a complwx massage-balm, possibly with DMSO added. These could include: Herbal oils or extracts from Citrus Seed, Comfrey Fm/Rx, Eucalyptus, Frankincense, Lemon, Lobelia, Melaleuca, Mirabilite, Mustard S, Myrrh, Peppermint (or Menthol), Rosemary, Thyme, Turpentine, etc. (3) INJECTION: Ingredients are rather bland; they (except H2O2) have some activity as antioxidants / immunostimulators My main doubt is whether or not such " natural " approaches give results as good as conventional mastitis treatment. Any comments? Best regards, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excerpt from: http://www.mosesorganic.org/ob/brunetti.htm " Organic Cows: Healthy Approaches and Treatments--Jerry Brunetti at the Minnesota Grazing and Organic Conference " by Paul Bransky Vol 12 #6 ©2004 Midwest Organic and Sustainable Education Service Mastitis treatment: (1) Brew tea: 1 ounce per quart of water of the following: goldenseal or Oregon grape root or barberry root, echinacea root, one grated garlic bulb, juniper berries, celery seed, dandelion root, dandelion leaves, ginger; one-fourth ounce cayenne pepper (Cayenne and ginger increase circulation to get medicinal compounds in the other plants into the bloodstream more efficiently), and one-fourth ounce of cinnamon, clove and allspice, which are powerful anti-microbials. Bring to boil; steep for a minimum of 3-4 hours, preferably overnight. (2) Mix one pint of apple cider vinegar (alkalizes the rumen--the pH of apple cider vinegar is one-tenth that of D-lactic acid produced during grain fermentation) with one pint of tea. Add five ml. of Lugols iodine solution. Add four ounces organic blackstrap molasses (molasses " feeds the rumen bugs " , provides minerals, and can be anti- inflammatory). (3) Drench 1 pint of each mix 2-3 times/day. " You'll be surprised how that works on mastitis. " (4) Nutraceuticals--inject subcutaneously: 10 cc. vitamins A and D; 10 cc vitamin E and selenium (Mu-Se); 40-50 cc. colostrum whey. Jerry also rubs the cow with a stimulating ointment, such as Vick's vapor rub. " It acts as a counter-irritant, " he said, " to stimulate the capillaries to open up, bringing more lymph and blood to where the infectious obstructions are. " He likes to milk the cow out as often as possible, particularly if she is hot. This eliminates toxic metabolites, and brings in fresh leucocytes (white blood cells). " The leucocytes tend to be their strongest for about a half hour to an hour, " he said. Acute Mastitis Treatment: This treatment saved cows with gangrenous mastitis " one quarter black and ice cold--the truck has got to be here sooner rather than later. " He said the cow will lose the quarter, but can come back with the other three and finish her lactation without another problem. (1) 100-200 g. sodium ascorbate (vitamin C), I.V. every four to six hours; 250 ml. colostrum whey serum I.V. every twelve hours. (2) Inject subcutaneously: 10 cc. vitamins A and D, and 10 cc. vitamin E and selenium (3) Drench with mastitis drench--1/2 pint twice a day. (4) Keep an eye on dehydration! (5) Strip affected quarter out every two hours! " The reason this works is because when you have acute mastitis, what's killing the cow, causing the gangrene is not bacteria, it's endotoxemia, " Jerry said. Drugs can be so effective at killing gram-negative bacteria that the bacteria rupture, quickly releasing endotoxins which kill the cow. " The cure killed the cow. " The I.V. ascorbic acid neutralizes those endotoxins. Vitamin C also acts as a chelating agent (an organic acid which binds well with metals) in milk fever I.V.'s. For acute illnesses only--a 2 quart drench of 0.75-1.0% hydrogen peroxide simulates what white cells do. Or it may be used as a drip. You can't use vitamin C at the same time; hydrogen peroxide is a pro- oxidant,vitamin C is an antioxidant. " They'll cancel each other out. " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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