Digest Number 1000

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Andy:

Both your post and the post by " TashiDelay " point to an interesting

conceptualization of the practices of Oriental Medicine. Some have proposed that

the acupuncture points are foci in a web of standing EM waves on the body, and

link to each other non-linearly. Incorporating quantum physics, might we through

visualization be collapsing the waveforms for a particular network with our

attention/intention? And wouldn't out attention/intention be directly influenced

by the models we are using, e.g. ToyoHari, TCM, Master Tung, etc., all of which

have different relationships between points or between sets of points and

effects in the organism? Thus, " intention " collapses a certain waveform.

Muddleheaded practitioners who use intention to cover up for a lack of rigor and

focus do not collapse a coherent network of waveforms, and thus do not acheive

results. Qigong master, on the other hand, perhaps through visualizing the

network of wave/particles involved, are able to create the connections without

needles at all. Perhaps through quantum entanglement.

Please excuse the sloppy physics - not my area of expertise. If someone with a

physics background can comment on these ideas, I would welcome the criticism.

 

-Ben

 

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Message: 12

Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:09:21 -0000

" andy " <

Re: intention

 

thanks to all the contributors that have given time and thoughtful

insights.

 

the article recommended delved into some

classical thought that I tried to embody in my definition and

practice of intention.

My understanding and use of 'to be present' embodies some of

this, and as Guo yu explains having clear and uncluttered

intention gives clarity and integrity to ones actions and therefore

to ones treatment. it is precisely this personal 'authenticity' that

can bring about healing and as mentioned by jreidomd does

not necessarily have to involve needles. to be in the presence of

someone authentic can be truly inspiring, uplifting and a healing

experience.

 

but I am concentrating on the role/use of the needles and points,

and the extrapolated and nebulous use of the term intention has

a devaluing effect.

It reminds me of the phase of child development when children

(age 4ish) become aware that an adult cannot disprove that they

have a headache, it becomes the ultimate excuse/defence for

not having to explain or prove your actions. this is how some

lean on the term intention and use it as a crutch.

the aforementioned clarity, presence and integrity, the higher

goal that we are all striving for through meditation, study and self

reflection becomes displaced.

 

Some practitioners think that it doesnt matter that theres so

much confilct between tonifying and reducing needled technique

because 'its the intention that counts'.

 

I probably agree with Dermot that differentiating between qi and

intention is futile, but then the existence of qi is impossible to

disprove.

As for its role in CM i view it as i do the other energetics of the

zangfu, in that it is a useful metaphor, that when in harmony

these energetics describes homeostasis or balance, do i

believe that at night the liver stores the blood?... no i dont.. the

existence, of lack of it, of the san jiao for me exemplifies this, it

only exists to complete the circle, to tidy up the loose ends, to

make the metaphor complete.

 

ironically my comment about tree huggers and Dermot's reply to

this has reminded me that to exist in good health is just to 'be', to

accept and bend with the forces of life.

 

regards andy

 

Message: 19

Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:02:34 EDT

TashiDelay

Re: Digest Number 999 - intention

 

 

Message: 5

Tue, 31 May 2005 07:46:43 -0700

" " <zrosenbe

Re: intention

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. Yi/intention is a central concept

of the practice of acupuncture. While this concept can easily be

abused by those without adequate insight or rigorous study, it is

central in all Chinese acupuncture classics from the Nei Jing to the

Zhen jiu da cheng. It has been discussed in historical works by such

scholars as Nathan Sivin as well.

 

You can read more about this in an article by Volker Scheid,

" Medicine is Signification " , available at http://www.siom.com

 

>>

 

 

You can also take a look at this concept from a Quantum physics point of

view. In which case intention is an absolute value that *ACTUALLY* can alter

events and outcomes within the spacetime continum. It is not an abstract

concept, but a fully realized understanding of how the mind alters matter.

robbee