Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Has anyone had any experience treating patients with Diabetes I (i.e. insulin-resistant)? I am wary of a strict TCM approach since the patient in on an insulin pump and I don't know how herbs will interact with an exogenous insulin regulator (i.e. don't want to use lots of hypoglycemic herbs and knock the patient out), but if anyone has done this successfully I'd appreciate hearing about it. As for tongue, pulse etc. I don't have data - it's a prospective patient. -Ben Hawes, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 On my diabetes post, I meant to say insulin *dependent*, as Type I is classified. Type II is usually referred to in the TCM literature, but Type I seems thornier, because of the exogenous insulin supplementation. I want to know if anyone has actually successfully managed these patients' blood sugar swings or improved their lives with TCM, rather than the nature of their diagnoses, which for me is strictly theoretical until someone has actually shown improvement. I am not looking to cure, since I doubt that the islets of Langerhorn can ever regenerate. Besides, " curing " is against the law for us, isn't it.... BTW: what is a " GI diet " ? Message: 1 Sun, 29 May 2005 17:43:19 +0100 " Susie Parkinson " <susie diabetes Hi Ben First of all type 1 diabetes is not the insulin resistant type, that is type 2. I imagine if the patient has an insulin pump that they are type 1 which means they don't produce enough or any insulin. Type 1 diabetes has a completely different aetiology to type 2 and is caused by an auto-immune dysfunction in that the immune system kills off part of the pancreas In TCM terms this can be due to deficiencies in the Lung, Kidney or Spleen. If the patient has been a diabetic for a long time then I don't believe you will be able to " cure " them, but if they are newly diagnosed then there is a chance of remission. Bob Flaws has a book on diabetes treatment, but it focuses on Type 2 and is not so useful for type 1. Dietary changes are key component of treating diabetes, I highly recommend a GI diet and Omega 3 & 6 oils, maybe also chromium supplements. Insulin pumps tend to be set by the patient, so they can reduce insulin dosage. The patient should be warned that their insulin requirement may reduce and that there is a danger of hypoglycaemia. Maciocia says that pxs on insulin have a hollow/slippery pulse particularly on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Speaking only for myself, I would no more attempt to treat type 1 diabetes with TCM than I would treat someone in a car accident needing emergency medicine. The management of type 1 diabetes is one of Western medicines great success stories in medical history. Of course the cure is a whole other issue as is the cause... Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. Oasis Acupuncture http://www.oasisacupuncture.com 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte Suite D-35 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Phone: (480) 991-3650 Fax: (480) 247-4472 Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawes, L.Ac. Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:22 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Diabetes I On my diabetes post, I meant to say insulin *dependent*, as Type I is classified. Type II is usually referred to in the TCM literature, but Type I seems thornier, because of the exogenous insulin supplementation. I want to know if anyone has actually successfully managed these patients' blood sugar swings or improved their lives with TCM, rather than the nature of their diagnoses, which for me is strictly theoretical until someone has actually shown improvement. I am not looking to cure, since I doubt that the islets of Langerhorn can ever regenerate. Besides, " curing " is against the law for us, isn't it.... BTW: what is a " GI diet " ? Message: 1 Sun, 29 May 2005 17:43:19 +0100 " Susie Parkinson " <susie diabetes Hi Ben First of all type 1 diabetes is not the insulin resistant type, that is type 2. I imagine if the patient has an insulin pump that they are type 1 which means they don't produce enough or any insulin. Type 1 diabetes has a completely different aetiology to type 2 and is caused by an auto-immune dysfunction in that the immune system kills off part of the pancreas In TCM terms this can be due to deficiencies in the Lung, Kidney or Spleen. If the patient has been a diabetic for a long time then I don't believe you will be able to " cure " them, but if they are newly diagnosed then there is a chance of remission. Bob Flaws has a book on diabetes treatment, but it focuses on Type 2 and is not so useful for type 1. Dietary changes are key component of treating diabetes, I highly recommend a GI diet and Omega 3 & 6 oils, maybe also chromium supplements. Insulin pumps tend to be set by the patient, so they can reduce insulin dosage. The patient should be warned that their insulin requirement may reduce and that there is a danger of hypoglycaemia. Maciocia says that pxs on insulin have a hollow/slippery pulse particularly on the right. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler wrote: >Speaking only for myself, I would no more attempt to treat type 1 diabetes with TCM< I have and do treat patients with type 1 diabetes both to lower their insulin use and -mainly- to manage their other symptoms/ syndromes. > than I would treat someone in a car accident needing emergency medicine.< I have treated thousands of people needing emergency medicine using a combination of TCM/Dieh Dah and Eurocentric/allopathic medicine. The outcomes with Dieh Dah are far superior to the outcomes with Alopathic alone. > The management of type 1 diabetes is one of Western medicines great success stories in medical history.< Yes and TCM still has much to offer as an adjunctive treatment. > Of course the cure is a whole other issue as is the cause...< Too true Doc Rosen Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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