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I have a patient who just got an IUD (hormone-free variety) and wants to

be treated for heavy menstrual bleeding and cramps. Age:19, Pulse: deep,

thin, slippery on L, wiry & choppy on R. Tongue: swollen, pink, thick

white greasy coat. Hx of fibrocystic breasts, constipation, oral

contraceptives.

 

Can you treat IUD-related bleeding & cramps? Should it be viewed as

bleeding from blood stasis? It seems like an insult to the body, but I

wonder if anyon has had luck in managing these side-effects with herbs.

 

-Ben Hawes

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Hi Benjamin & All,

 

Ben Hawes wrote:

> I have a patient who just got an IUD (hormone-free variety) and wants

> to be treated for heavy menstrual bleeding and cramps. Age:19, Pulse:

> deep, thin, slippery on L, wiry & choppy on R. Tongue: swollen, pink,

> thick white greasy coat. Hx of fibrocystic breasts, constipation, oral

> contraceptives. Can you treat IUD-related bleeding & cramps? Should it

> be viewed as bleeding from blood stasis? It seems like an insult to

> the body, but I wonder if anyon has had luck in managing these

> side-effects with herbs.

 

Haemostat herbs/formulas nay give some relief, but IF the primary

CAUSE of the bleeding is " foreign body trauma " , my gut would say get

the IUD out fast and use another method of contraception.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

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did she have any problems before IUD?

tongue cracks?

face color distribution?

 

pulse prediagnosis

on L

a deep pulse,. yin., also thin, yin. slippery, yang

a yin exuberant pulse with an uncharacteristic yang?

 

on R

wiry, yang. choppy, yin. overall yin preponderant

 

the L pulses are incongruous and mean serious problems

the R pulses are congruous by themselves but incongruous by the larger

picture

 

some serious trouble brewing

 

a word of caution. look out for Hollow, the pulse can forewarn impending

hemorrhage

of a serious nature by hours or a day. best give her a referral note

just in case.

 

tongue prediagnosis:

swollen, yin deficient, probably SP yin

pink, non committal

thick white greasy coat, tends to Earth SP yin consumed

 

is there a crack somewhere?

 

5 E prediagnosis by history:

fibrocystic breasts, ST aggressed upon by LV

fibrocystic breasts, Cold invasion

fibrocystic breasts, bet anger plays a part

 

constipation, oral contraceptives, non committal

 

5 E prediagnosis by presenting symptoms:

just got an IUD (hormone-free variety), IUD is an APF

all APF's cause an Ecxess Hot Yang illness

 

heavy menstrual bleeding, an APK presentation

 

cramps, same

 

her body is trying to reject the IUD

 

Prediagnostic pattern before IUD:

LV aggressing on ST

 

Prediagnostic pattern after IUD:

LV aggressing on ST, added to which an APF in terms of the IUD

 

all this needs confirming

 

in all probability the IUD should come out

meanwhile herbs might help

 

holmes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Hawes, L.Ac. wrote:

 

> I have a patient who just got an IUD (hormone-free variety) and wants to

> be treated for heavy menstrual bleeding and cramps. Age:19, Pulse: deep,

> thin, slippery on L, wiry & choppy on R. Tongue: swollen, pink, thick

> white greasy coat. Hx of fibrocystic breasts, constipation, oral

> contraceptives.

>

> Can you treat IUD-related bleeding & cramps? Should it be viewed as

> bleeding from blood stasis? It seems like an insult to the body, but I

> wonder if anyon has had luck in managing these side-effects with herbs.

>

> -Ben Hawes

>

 

 

 

 

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Thank you all for the information on IUD's...

 

-Jason

 

>

>

> On Behalf Of Cara Frank

> Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:58 AM

>

> Slide shows

>

> A query,

>

> I think that some of the instructors on this list use a slide show

> database that has pictures of herbs. Could anyone recommend one? I want to

> include it in my first year PowerPoint for my herb class.

>

>

> And BTW: I was teaching and I sprained my ankle, but the answer to IUD²s

> and

> PID is this: the majority of the cases occur within the first 3 weeks of

> insertion. And mostly in women who already have an infection. Usually an

> STD

> like Chlamydia. I agree- they are not perfect. No birth control system

is.

> But they are the most effective system. Fewer than 1% of women get

> pregnant. That¹s worth something- the relaxation and pleasure that comes

> from not worrying about getting pregnant.

>

> Cara

> --

> Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

> President China Herb Company

> Program Director of the Chinese Herb Program

> Tai Sophia Institute for the Healing Arts

> office: 215- 438-2977

> fax: 215-849-3338

> Www.chinaherbco.com

> Www.carafrank.com

>

>

>

>

>

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You are welcome

 

 

 

 

>

> Thank you all for the information on IUD's...

>

> -Jason

>

>> >

>> >

>> > On Behalf Of Cara Frank

>> > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:58 AM

>> >

>> > Slide shows

>> >

>> > A query,

>> >

>> > I think that some of the instructors on this list use a slide show

>> > database that has pictures of herbs. Could anyone recommend one? I want to

>> > include it in my first year PowerPoint for my herb class.

>> >

>> >

>> > And BTW: I was teaching and I sprained my ankle, but the answer to IUD²s

>> > and

>> > PID is this: the majority of the cases occur within the first 3 weeks of

>> > insertion. And mostly in women who already have an infection. Usually an

>> > STD

>> > like Chlamydia. I agree- they are not perfect. No birth control system

> is.

>> > But they are the most effective system. Fewer than 1% of women get

>> > pregnant. That¹s worth something- the relaxation and pleasure that comes

>> > from not worrying about getting pregnant.

>> >

>> > Cara

>> > --

>> > Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

>> > President China Herb Company

>> > Program Director of the Chinese Herb Program

>> > Tai Sophia Institute for the Healing Arts

>> > office: 215- 438-2977

>> > fax: 215-849-3338

>> > Www.chinaherbco.com

>> > Www.carafrank.com

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Z'ev,

 

The precise mechanism of action is unknown - But I do not think they act on

spontaneously aborting the fetus. The copper IUD, IMO, is quite

fascinating- no hormones involved.

 

Possible mechanisms of action are:

 

1)creates changes in the cervical mucous.

2)creates chronic inflammatory changes in the endometrium and fallopian

tubes (which have spermicidal effects and inhibit fertilization and

implantation.

3) thinning and glandular atrophy of the endometrium, which inhibits

implantation.

4) direct ovicidal effects

 

The inflammatory reaction - When the uterus is exposed to a foreign body, a

sterile inflammatory reaction occurs that is toxic to sperm and ova and

prevents implantation. This is what originally spawned my question. It

seems like such a response with someone who has a history of endometriosis

and inflammation issues might not do well with such a device.

 

Hope this helps,

 

-Jason

 

 

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:57 AM

>

> Re: Slide shows

>

> Cara,

> Does the IUD prevent conception by spontaneously aborting new

> fetuses? Or does it prevent fertilization?

>

>

> On Nov 15, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Cara Frank wrote:

>

> > I agree- they are not perfect. No birth control system is.

> > But they are the most effective system. Fewer than 1% of women get

> > pregnant. That's worth something- the relaxation and pleasure that

> > comes

> > from not worrying about getting pregnant.

>

>

>

>

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> I agree. At the very least it would exacerbate dysmennorhea in women w/ endo.

> And severe cramps and heavy bleeding are the 2 main disadvantages of IUD¹s

> Cara

>

> The inflammatory reaction - When the uterus is exposed to a foreign body, a

> sterile inflammatory reaction occurs that is toxic to sperm and ova and

> prevents implantation. This is what originally spawned my question. It

> seems like such a response with someone who has a history of endometriosis

> and inflammation issues might not do well with such a device.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> -Jason

>

>

>> >

>> >

>> > On Behalf Of

>> > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:57 AM

>> >

>> > Re: Slide shows

>> >

>> > Cara,

>> > Does the IUD prevent conception by spontaneously aborting new

>> > fetuses? Or does it prevent fertilization?

>> >

>> >

>> > On Nov 15, 2005, at 3:57 AM, Cara Frank wrote:

>> >

>>> > > I agree- they are not perfect. No birth control system is.

>>> > > But they are the most effective system. Fewer than 1% of women get

>>> > > pregnant. That's worth something- the relaxation and pleasure that

>>> > > comes

>>> > > from not worrying about getting pregnant.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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I noticed in the Gynae dept. in china (as IUD's are very common birth

control there), that alot of women complained of severe dysmenorrhoea

and heavier periods, even shortened cycles with excessive bleeding

after having an IUD inserted, and not just in the short term after

insertion, often they experienced this for years until finally having

them removed. Oh, one other thing that I noticed in China, is that if

you dont removed the IUD at menopause, and the uterus atrophies, as

it does, then the IUD is yours for keeps.

Apart from that, I dont really know about the safety of using IUD's

these days. Hopefully the have come along way since the " copper 7 "

that was causing so many problems. Its doesnt really seem to be a

popular method of birth control here in Australia.

 

Regards, Lea.

 

, " "

<@c...> wrote:

>

>

> Thank you all for the information on IUD's...

>

> -Jason

>

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of Cara

Frank

> > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:58 AM

> >

> > Slide shows

> >

> > A query,

> >

> > I think that some of the instructors on this list use a slide

show

> > database that has pictures of herbs. Could anyone recommend one?

I want to

> > include it in my first year PowerPoint for my herb class.

> >

> >

> > And BTW: I was teaching and I sprained my ankle, but the answer

to IUD²s

> > and

> > PID is this: the majority of the cases occur within the first 3

weeks of

> > insertion. And mostly in women who already have an infection.

Usually an

> > STD

> > like Chlamydia. I agree- they are not perfect. No birth control

system

> is.

> > But they are the most effective system. Fewer than 1% of women

get

> > pregnant. That¹s worth something- the relaxation and pleasure

that comes

> > from not worrying about getting pregnant.

> >

> > Cara

> > --

> > Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

> > President China Herb Company

> > Program Director of the Chinese Herb Program

> > Tai Sophia Institute for the Healing Arts

> > office: 215- 438-2977

> > fax: 215-849-3338

> > Www.chinaherbco.com

> > Www.carafrank.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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