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Hi All,

 

I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner

(licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions

for the group:

 

1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month

stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics

- I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz

about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I

could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some

online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can

be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what

dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that

they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with

tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive

ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome.

 

2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been

doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients

that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the

clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work

well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum

Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a

consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are,

especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a

practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they

prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly

wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also

curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara.

 

Thanks for any advice you can give.

 

Nora

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Hi Nora,

 

I looked into Secara last year, but with the exchange rate, they were about 8

times the price I was paying for Chinese patents. I was also a bit suspicious

about their addition of western herbs into the Chinese formulas.

 

Quoting Nora <nora:

> 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been

> doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients

> that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the

> clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work

> well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum

> Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a

> consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are,

> especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a

> practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they

> prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly

> wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also

> curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara.

>

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Hi Nora,

 

I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in

India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had

contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria

will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make

you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects

of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the

Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao

is good for malaria.

 

The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration

salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times!

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

" A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part

limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and

feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical

illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein)

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora

17 May 2005 22:16

Chinese Medicine

tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis

 

 

Hi All,

 

I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner

(licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions

for the group:

 

1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month

stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics

- I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz

about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I

could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some

online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can

be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what

dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that

they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with

tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive

ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome.

 

2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been

doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients

that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the

clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work

well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum

Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a

consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are,

especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a

practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they

prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly

wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also

curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara.

 

Thanks for any advice you can give.

 

Nora

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To add to that, I would give her Bao He Wan for the food retention and

abdominal distention. Then when that turns into dysentery, any patent

medicine which treats such disorders like Huang Lian Su Pian, Lian Qiao Bai

Du Pian, etc.

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

" A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part

limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and

feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical

illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein)

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Attilio

D'Alberto

17 May 2005 22:42

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RE: tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis

 

 

Hi Nora,

 

I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in

India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had

contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria

will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make

you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects

of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the

Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao

is good for malaria.

 

The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration

salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times!

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

" A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part

limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and

feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical

illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein)

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora

17 May 2005 22:16

Chinese Medicine

tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis

 

 

Hi All,

 

I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner

(licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions

for the group:

 

1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month

stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics

- I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz

about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I

could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some

online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can

be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what

dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that

they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with

tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive

ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome.

 

2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been

doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients

that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the

clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work

well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum

Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a

consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are,

especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a

practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they

prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly

wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also

curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara.

 

Thanks for any advice you can give.

 

Nora

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

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Hola Nora and welcome to the list.

 

>>1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall

for a six-month

stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical

malaria prophylactics

- I gather that they induce anxiety, or something.

She had heard buzz

about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was

wondering if I

could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I

was doing some

online research and it seems as though Health

Concerns' Artestatin can

be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually

done so, what

dosages they used, how long before setting off to a

malaria zone that

they started the regimen, etc.<<

 

According to the CDC India is currently a Malaria zone

-due to the after effects of the Tsunami i'd guess.

 

I often travel in Malaria infested rain forests in

Central America and other Malaria zones (just got

back from the Tsunami zone in Thailand and Aceh) for

long periods of time and Artestatin is my drug of

choice.

I take one tab 3 times daily starting the week before

travel and for 4 weeks after i return. Others say that

once a day is enough. I tend to be a belt and braces

type and have treated hundreds of patients with

Malaria so i try for zero risk.

 

 

2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if

any)? I have been

doing a little experimenting around with different

brands, for patients

that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and

K'an tablets in the

clinic where I am currently working). <

 

Health Concerns, K'an, Quali, and Plum Flower (May

Way) are my main choices when i do not mix my own

formulas.

 

Best of luck,

RS Doc Rosen OMD, DAc, LAc, FNAAOM, Dipl Ac/CH ...

 

 

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I cannot do everything, but still I can do something;

I will not refuse to do the something I can do.

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Qinghao and artemesinin are only for the treatment of malaria, they

are apparently not effective for prevention. Prevention of malaria is

best done by minimizing mosquito bites, and only relatively strong

concentrations of DEET are effective in the most mosquito-ridden

areas. DEET is certainly bad for you, but malaria is far worse.

 

Eric

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

> Hi Nora,

>

> I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in

> India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person

who had

> contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with

malaria

> will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and

will make

> you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the

ill-effects

> of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the

> Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes

Qing Hao

> is good for malaria.

>

> The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of

dehydration

> salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many

times!

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

> 07786198900

 

 

 

> attiliodalberto

> <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

>

> " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part

> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and

> feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical

> illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein)

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora

> 17 May 2005 22:16

> Chinese Medicine

> tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish

practitioner

> (licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb

questions

> for the group:

>

> 1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month

> stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics

> - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz

> about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I

> could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some

> online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can

> be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what

> dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that

> they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with

> tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive

> ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are

welcome.

>

> 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been

> doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients

> that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the

> clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work

> well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum

> Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a

> consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are,

> especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a

> practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx

they

> prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly

> wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also

> curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara.

>

> Thanks for any advice you can give.

>

> Nora

>

>

>

>

> http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

> and

adjust

> accordingly.

>

> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the

group

> requires prior permission from the author.

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics,

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> Hi Nora,

>

> I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in

> India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had

> contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria

> will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make

> you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects

> of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the

> Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao

> is good for malaria.

>

> The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration

> salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times!

 

Hi Attilio!

 

Is there any benefit to mosquito repellent? If I read this correctly she

doesn't have malaria *yet* and is looking for a *preventive*.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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I wouldn't even give it any thought. As a wise Indian Sage said 'Get rid of

the mosquito thinking'.

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

" A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part

limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and

feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical

illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein)

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete

Theisen

18 May 2005 04:38

Chinese Medicine

Re: tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis

 

 

Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> Hi Nora,

>

> I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in

> India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had

> contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with

malaria

> will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make

> you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the

ill-effects

> of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the

> Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing

Hao

> is good for malaria.

>

> The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of

dehydration

> salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many

times!

 

Hi Attilio!

 

Is there any benefit to mosquito repellent? If I read this correctly she

doesn't have malaria *yet* and is looking for a *preventive*.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Nora,

I seem to sell huge amounts of Qing Hao capsules to the

general public via my website they are al claiming that they are

going away to somewhere and want to avoid taking the conventional

malaria Rx due to side effects etc. I am happy to supply them but

always say that it is being provided to them with no claims of any

kind made. Malaria is a potentially fatal disease and I tell them

that it is their responsiblity to ensure they are fully protected.

 

As for doses I supply KPC concentrated powder ~ 5:1 and usually ask

them to take 4-6 0 size capsules daily with a maximum of 12, which is

the standard dose for any herbs I supply in those capsules. I do not

give advice on when they should start taking them as that may imply

protection. I haven't had any complaints/deaths yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I use KPC for everything mainly because I know the testing is very

stringent etc. I am satisfied with the results as well.

 

Any off list contact info

 

Lorraine.

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