Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi All, I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner (licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions for the group: 1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome. 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are, especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara. Thanks for any advice you can give. Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi Nora, I looked into Secara last year, but with the exchange rate, they were about 8 times the price I was paying for Chinese patents. I was also a bit suspicious about their addition of western herbs into the Chinese formulas. Quoting Nora <nora: > 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been > doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients > that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the > clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work > well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum > Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a > consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are, > especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a > practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they > prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly > wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also > curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hi Nora, I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao is good for malaria. The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times! Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora 17 May 2005 22:16 Chinese Medicine tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis Hi All, I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner (licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions for the group: 1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome. 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are, especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara. Thanks for any advice you can give. Nora http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 To add to that, I would give her Bao He Wan for the food retention and abdominal distention. Then when that turns into dysentery, any patent medicine which treats such disorders like Huang Lian Su Pian, Lian Qiao Bai Du Pian, etc. Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Attilio D'Alberto 17 May 2005 22:42 Chinese Medicine RE: tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis Hi Nora, I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao is good for malaria. The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times! Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora 17 May 2005 22:16 Chinese Medicine tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis Hi All, I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner (licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions for the group: 1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome. 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are, especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara. Thanks for any advice you can give. Nora http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Hola Nora and welcome to the list. >>1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that they started the regimen, etc.<< According to the CDC India is currently a Malaria zone -due to the after effects of the Tsunami i'd guess. I often travel in Malaria infested rain forests in Central America and other Malaria zones (just got back from the Tsunami zone in Thailand and Aceh) for long periods of time and Artestatin is my drug of choice. I take one tab 3 times daily starting the week before travel and for 4 weeks after i return. Others say that once a day is enough. I tend to be a belt and braces type and have treated hundreds of patients with Malaria so i try for zero risk. 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the clinic where I am currently working). < Health Concerns, K'an, Quali, and Plum Flower (May Way) are my main choices when i do not mix my own formulas. Best of luck, RS Doc Rosen OMD, DAc, LAc, FNAAOM, Dipl Ac/CH ... I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do the something I can do. - Helen Keller Discover Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover./online.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Qinghao and artemesinin are only for the treatment of malaria, they are apparently not effective for prevention. Prevention of malaria is best done by minimizing mosquito bites, and only relatively strong concentrations of DEET are effective in the most mosquito-ridden areas. DEET is certainly bad for you, but malaria is far worse. Eric Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > Hi Nora, > > I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in > India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had > contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria > will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make > you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects > of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the > Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao > is good for malaria. > > The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration > salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times! > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > 07786198900 > attiliodalberto > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com > > " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part > limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and > feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical > illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) > > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Nora > 17 May 2005 22:16 > Chinese Medicine > tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis > > > Hi All, > > I am new to the list, my name is Nora Madden. I'm a newish practitioner > (licensed in 2002) in Santa Cruz, California. I have two herb questions > for the group: > > 1. A friend is travelling to India this coming fall for a six-month > stay. She says she can't take the pharmaceutical malaria prophylactics > - I gather that they induce anxiety, or something. She had heard buzz > about qing hao as the next big antimalarial, and was wondering if I > could prescribe a chinese herb as a prophylactic. I was doing some > online research and it seems as though Health Concerns' Artestatin can > be used this way; just curious if anyone has actually done so, what > dosages they used, how long before setting off to a malaria zone that > they started the regimen, etc. I would like to send her off with > tablets or pills because of ease in taking and - hopefully - realtive > ease in getting past customs, etc. Any other brand suggestions are welcome. > > 2. What kinds of tablets/wan are folks using (if any)? I have been > doing a little experimenting around with different brands, for patients > that cannot cook herbs (we have only raw herbs and K'an tablets in the > clinic where I am currently working). The K'an generally seem to work > well, and they are local to us, though for some things I like Plum > Flower, actually (and they're certainly cheaper, which is a > consideration). I'm curious what other folks' experiences are, > especially longer-term experiences, or exceptional experiences (e.g., a > practitioner might carry most of one line, but for such-and-such dx they > prescribe a different brand or specific formula.) I'm particularly > wondering about Seven Forests, Health Concerns, and K'an; I'm also > curious whether anyone has been experimenting with Secara. > > Thanks for any advice you can give. > > Nora > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > Hi Nora, > > I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in > India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had > contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria > will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make > you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects > of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the > Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao > is good for malaria. > > The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration > salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times! Hi Attilio! Is there any benefit to mosquito repellent? If I read this correctly she doesn't have malaria *yet* and is looking for a *preventive*. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 I wouldn't even give it any thought. As a wise Indian Sage said 'Get rid of the mosquito thinking'. Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete Theisen 18 May 2005 04:38 Chinese Medicine Re: tablet brands and malaria prophylaxis Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > Hi Nora, > > I travelled around Asia for 8 months, which included a 5 month period in > India. Malaria is really not a problem. I've only meet one person who had > contracted malaria and that was in Thailand. The WM that deals with malaria > will only protect you against one particular type of malaria and will make > you ill, alot. A friend of mine I travelled with experienced the ill-effects > of Quinine. Also, if your 3000 metres above sea level, I.e. in the > Himalayas, there are no mosquito's carrying malaria. Otherwise, yes Qing Hao > is good for malaria. > > The only suggestion I would give your friend is to take lots of dehydration > salts for when you become ill. It's just a case of when and how many times! Hi Attilio! Is there any benefit to mosquito repellent? If I read this correctly she doesn't have malaria *yet* and is looking for a *preventive*. Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Dear Nora, I seem to sell huge amounts of Qing Hao capsules to the general public via my website they are al claiming that they are going away to somewhere and want to avoid taking the conventional malaria Rx due to side effects etc. I am happy to supply them but always say that it is being provided to them with no claims of any kind made. Malaria is a potentially fatal disease and I tell them that it is their responsiblity to ensure they are fully protected. As for doses I supply KPC concentrated powder ~ 5:1 and usually ask them to take 4-6 0 size capsules daily with a maximum of 12, which is the standard dose for any herbs I supply in those capsules. I do not give advice on when they should start taking them as that may imply protection. I haven't had any complaints/deaths yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I use KPC for everything mainly because I know the testing is very stringent etc. I am satisfied with the results as well. Any off list contact info Lorraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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