Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Check out www.epocrates.com. I use the Palm-based version with " Altmeds " database, but I think they have a web-based database now too. Has many suspected, some known H-D interactions. Good place to find out if the dreg and herb are on the same metabolic pathway & could lead to problems. I check for every patient on drugs. Also a good way to inform patients of side-effects from drugs they are taking, since their MD usually doesn't give them the full picture. -ben Message: 21 Thu, 5 May 2005 09:10:03 -0700 " Everett Churchill " <pinevillage Specific drug/herb question Hello All, Was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some information on possible cited drug/formula interactions, namely: Lexapro & Verapamil with Liu Wei Di Huang. Thanx in advance... -Everett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Ben et all, I want to caution us from blindly jumping on the bandwagon that most of our herbs interact with drugs, cause if they do then so do many foods and then cosmetics, air and water pollution etc. The so-called authoritative studies do not actually appear to focus on herbs but rather the known pharmacological constituents. Herbs are not simply a mish-mash of chemicals that are free to interact because they are found in the herb. They could be bound to other chemicals and not available for interactions. Please join me in focusing on more actual studies of how herbs and drugs interact on people. Before we condemn our herbs we should know if this really does happen and to what extent. Science is not blind faith so we should not just accept these studies without scrutiny. Thanks Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Ben & Laura Hawes <ben_laura >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 971 >Thu, 05 May 2005 12:22:26 -0600 > >Check out www.epocrates.com. I use the Palm-based version with " Altmeds " >database, but I think they have a web-based database now too. Has many >suspected, some known H-D interactions. Good place to find out if the dreg >and herb are on the same metabolic pathway & could lead to problems. I >check for every patient on drugs. Also a good way to inform patients of >side-effects from drugs they are taking, since their MD usually doesn't >give them the full picture. > >-ben > > > > > > Message: 21 > Thu, 5 May 2005 09:10:03 -0700 > " Everett Churchill " <pinevillage > Specific drug/herb question > > Hello All, > > Was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some information >on > possible cited drug/formula interactions, namely: Lexapro & > Verapamil with > Liu Wei Di Huang. Thanx in advance... > > -Everett > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 I agree with Mike. This issue, while deserving our attention, has been blown out of proportion. Most potential drug-herb interactions can be avoided by some simple rules and protocols. Interestingly, there are few reports of any unfavorable interactions in the vast database of Chinese language medical journals. Remember, in mainland China, Chinese medicine is also practiced in hospitals where pharmaceuticals are also used, and there are few reports of dangerous herb/drug interactions at all. On May 5, 2005, at 1:54 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > Ben et all, > I want to caution us from blindly jumping on the bandwagon that > most of our > herbs interact with drugs, cause if they do then so do many foods > and then > cosmetics, air and water pollution etc. The so-called > authoritative studies > do not actually appear to focus on herbs but rather the known > pharmacological constituents. Herbs are not simply a mish-mash of > chemicals > that are free to interact because they are found in the herb. They > could be > bound to other chemicals and not available for interactions. > Please join me > in focusing on more actual studies of how herbs and drugs interact on > people. Before we condemn our herbs we should know if this really > does > happen and to what extent. Science is not blind faith so we should > not just > accept these studies without scrutiny. > Thanks > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >> Ben & Laura Hawes <ben_laura >> Chinese Medicine >> Chinese Medicine >> Re: Digest Number 971 >> Thu, 05 May 2005 12:22:26 -0600 >> >> Check out www.epocrates.com. I use the Palm-based version with >> " Altmeds " >> database, but I think they have a web-based database now too. Has >> many >> suspected, some known H-D interactions. Good place to find out if >> the dreg >> and herb are on the same metabolic pathway & could lead to >> problems. I >> check for every patient on drugs. Also a good way to inform >> patients of >> side-effects from drugs they are taking, since their MD usually >> doesn't >> give them the full picture. >> >> -ben >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 21 >> Thu, 5 May 2005 09:10:03 -0700 >> " Everett Churchill " <pinevillage >> Specific drug/herb question >> >> Hello All, >> >> Was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some >> information >> on >> possible cited drug/formula interactions, namely: Lexapro & >> Verapamil with >> Liu Wei Di Huang. Thanx in advance... >> >> -Everett >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Z'ev- Is there a book or source for the rules governing using herbs and drugs together? Thanks- <zrosenbe wrote: I agree with Mike. This issue, while deserving our attention, has been blown out of proportion. Most potential drug-herb interactions can be avoided by some simple rules and protocols. Interestingly, there are few reports of any unfavorable interactions in the vast database of Chinese language medical journals. Remember, in mainland China, Chinese medicine is also practiced in hospitals where pharmaceuticals are also used, and there are few reports of dangerous herb/drug interactions at all. On May 5, 2005, at 1:54 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > Ben et all, > I want to caution us from blindly jumping on the bandwagon that > most of our > herbs interact with drugs, cause if they do then so do many foods > and then > cosmetics, air and water pollution etc. The so-called > authoritative studies > do not actually appear to focus on herbs but rather the known > pharmacological constituents. Herbs are not simply a mish-mash of > chemicals > that are free to interact because they are found in the herb. They > could be > bound to other chemicals and not available for interactions. > Please join me > in focusing on more actual studies of how herbs and drugs interact on > people. Before we condemn our herbs we should know if this really > does > happen and to what extent. Science is not blind faith so we should > not just > accept these studies without scrutiny. > Thanks > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >> Ben & Laura Hawes <ben_laura >> Chinese Medicine >> Chinese Medicine >> Re: Digest Number 971 >> Thu, 05 May 2005 12:22:26 -0600 >> >> Check out www.epocrates.com. I use the Palm-based version with >> " Altmeds " >> database, but I think they have a web-based database now too. Has >> many >> suspected, some known H-D interactions. Good place to find out if >> the dreg >> and herb are on the same metabolic pathway & could lead to >> problems. I >> check for every patient on drugs. Also a good way to inform >> patients of >> side-effects from drugs they are taking, since their MD usually >> doesn't >> give them the full picture. >> >> -ben >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 21 >> Thu, 5 May 2005 09:10:03 -0700 >> " Everett Churchill " <pinevillage >> Specific drug/herb question >> >> Hello All, >> >> Was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some >> information >> on >> possible cited drug/formula interactions, namely: Lexapro & >> Verapamil with >> Liu Wei Di Huang. Thanx in advance... >> >> -Everett >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 " Herb Toxicities and Drug Interactions " from Blue Poppy Press. On May 5, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Todd Larlee L.Ac. wrote: > Z'ev- > Is there a book or source for the rules governing using herbs and > drugs together? > > Thanks- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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