Problems with Sham Acupuncture as a valid control for Verum Acupuncture

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Hello,

 

I would have to agree, Sham AP that does puncture the skin via

non-traditional acupuncture points does to some degree have therapeutic value.

Just look at some of the human brain mapping studies to see the functional MRI's

and its effectiveness. Future research should question that has an extraneous

variable (contributing to nor not to) and may wish to provide research that only

focuses on acupuncture as the sole means of puncture through the skin.

 

Pep

 

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Hi Attilio and All,

 

That is another example of the problem of using " Sham AP " as a

" control " in AP research!

 

In the " Sham " group, active points were stimulated (admittedly

minimally), but minimal stimulation, as in Qigong and Toyohari AP also

works.

 

The bottom line is that BOTH treatments gave significantly better results

than no treatment (the waiting-list group).

 

IMO. we should campaign actively for elimination of " Sham AP " from AP

research. IMO, the best research comparisons should be Verum v No

treatment (or v State-of-the-Art WM treatment)

 

Best regards,

Phil

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio and All,

 

That is another example of the problem of using " Sham AP " as a

" control " in AP research!

 

In the " Sham " group, active points were stimulated (admittedly

minimally), but minimal stimulation, as in Qigong and Toyohari AP also

works.

 

The bottom line is that BOTH treatments gave significantly better results

than no treatment (the waiting-list group).

 

IMO. we should campaign actively for elimination of " Sham AP " from AP

research. IMO, the best research comparisons should be Verum v No

treatment (or v State-of-the-Art WM treatment)

 

Best regards,

Phil

 

Attilio wrote:

> This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has

> been uploaded to the Files area of the Chinese Medicine

> group.

>

> File : /Articles/Acupuncture/JAMA_migraines_acu.pdf

> Description : Acupuncture for Patients With Migraine - Research Study

> Location:

>

Chinese MedicineArticles/Acupun\

cture/JAMA_migraines_acu.pdf

 

Best regards,

 

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I would have to agree, Sham AP that does puncture the skin via non-traditional

acupuncture points does to some degree have therapeutic value. Just look at

some of the human brain mapping studies to see the functional MRI's and its

effectiveness. Future research should question that has an extraneous variable

(contributing to nor not to) and may wish to provide research that only focuses

on acupuncture as the sole means of puncture through the skin.

 

>>>>This however will never support acupuncture as an art or science. We must

show significant difference between any monkey inserting a needle and an

educated acupuncturist, period. Certainly we need to educate the medical

professions as to the 12 Cutenious regions and their influences, but for

acupuncture to be seen as a professional modality we need to show that training

makes sense. If sham works as well why study the science of acupuncture. This is

a very sensitive and important issue.

 

 

 

 

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