Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 hi all was recently reading a western medical acupuncture book that was described a needling technique called periosteal needling. This is needling to a depth where one reaches the bone surface (the perostium) and the doing a light pecking. i am unaware of any TCM procedure that is an equivalent.. does anyone have any ideas??? Regards andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Hi Andy, Although not TCM, have a look at Felix Mann- re-inventing acupuncture published by butterworth Heinemann Ray Ford Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of andy Monday, 2 May 2005 8:12 PM Chinese Medicine needle technique hi all was recently reading a western medical acupuncture book that was described a needling technique called periosteal needling. This is needling to a depth where one reaches the bone surface (the perostium) and the doing a light pecking. i am unaware of any TCM procedure that is an equivalent.. does anyone have any ideas??? Regards andy http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 you probably are quoting felix mann not come across any in TCM literature. seems unnecessary though when qi can be as easily moved by a shallow skin insertion of .2 mm dr holmes www.acu-free.com 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 andy wrote: > hi all > > was recently reading a western medical acupuncture book that > was described a needling technique called periosteal needling. > This is needling to a depth where one reaches the bone surface > (the perostium) and the doing a light pecking. i am unaware of > any TCM procedure that is an equivalent.. does anyone have any > ideas??? > > Regards andy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Hi Andy - This protocol is fairly common in China and is performed when working with points on the inner Bladder line and JiaJi points to address sequelae of wind-stroke, hemiplegia, etc. Typically, the needles are 'walked' down the spine; inserted until they hit the bone, removed and re-inserted at the next point. This is a much stronger method than just inserting the needles close to the vertebrae and retaining for 20 minutes. Kim Blankenship, L.Ac. andy < wrote: hi all was recently reading a western medical acupuncture book that was described a needling technique called periosteal needling. This is needling to a depth where one reaches the bone surface (the perostium) and the doing a light pecking. i am unaware of any TCM procedure that is an equivalent.. does anyone have any ideas??? Regards andy http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > you probably are quoting felix mann > > not come across any in TCM literature. su wen 55 i believe mentions needling to the bone. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 also IIRC some of Sung Baek's students like Jim Ramholz (RIP) would needle the five levels (from skin down to bone) in SW55 on five-phase and other points in order to do very complex 5p treatments. i never had the experience of needling to the periosteum until a few weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day class with Alon Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at all with Alon, take advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a fountain of information. His new book is great, too, i'm reading through it right now. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 obliged kampo36 wrote: > Chinese Medicine , dkakobad > <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > > you probably are quoting felix mann > > > > not come across any in TCM literature. > > su wen 55 i believe mentions needling to the bone. > > rh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 again, obliged kampo36 wrote: > also IIRC some of Sung Baek's students like Jim Ramholz (RIP) would > needle the five levels (from skin down to bone) in SW55 on five-phase > and other points in order to do very complex 5p treatments. > > i never had the experience of needling to the periosteum until a few > weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day class with Alon > Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at all with Alon, take > advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a fountain of > information. His new book is great, too, i'm reading through it right > now. > > rh > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 What is the name of the new book of Alon Marcus thank you km --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > again, obliged > > kampo36 wrote: > > > also IIRC some of Sung Baek's students like Jim > Ramholz (RIP) would > > needle the five levels (from skin down to bone) in > SW55 on five-phase > > and other points in order to do very complex 5p > treatments. > > > > i never had the experience of needling to the > periosteum until a few > > weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day > class with Alon > > Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at > all with Alon, take > > advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a > fountain of > > information. His new book is great, too, i'm > reading through it right > > now. > > > > rh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Foundations for Integrative Musculoskeletal Medicine, An East-West Approach, by Alon Marcus, published by North Atlantic Books rh Chinese Medicine , khaja mohiuddin <petslovingvet> wrote: > What is the name of the new book of Alon Marcus > > thank you > km > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Helms writes of this technique. I used it a couple times based on Helms, on a patient with foot bone pain, he said he liked it. That was years ago Best wishes, Chinese Medicine Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of ray ford Monday, 2 May 2005 10:44 PM Chinese Medicine RE: needle technique Hi Andy, Although not TCM, have a look at Felix Mann- re-inventing acupuncture published by butterworth Heinemann Ray Ford Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of andy Monday, 2 May 2005 8:12 PM Chinese Medicine needle technique hi all was recently reading a western medical acupuncture book that was described a needling technique called periosteal needling. This is needling to a depth where one reaches the bone surface (the perostium) and the doing a light pecking. i am unaware of any TCM procedure that is an equivalent.. does anyone have any ideas??? Regards andy http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 i never had the experience of needling to the periosteum until a few weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day class with Alon Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at all with Alon, take advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a fountain of information. His new book is great, too, i'm reading through it right now. >>>>Wow, thanks for the endorsement and glad you enjoyed the course Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 This is one of the reasons I love so many American practitioners, so passionate, so diligent and so inspiring. The profession is sooo sleepy here, maybe the weather? A friend organized for a seminar here for a former aussie with so much street cred and 30 yrs exp but only 10 people turned up-amazing! It is why we don't have many top notch seminars here. Maybe we know everything already? As we say in oz, good on you (rh and alon) Ray Ford Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of kampo36 Tuesday, 3 May 2005 3:42 AM Chinese Medicine Re: needle technique also IIRC some of Sung Baek's students like Jim Ramholz (RIP) would needle the five levels (from skin down to bone) in SW55 on five-phase and other points in order to do very complex 5p treatments. i never had the experience of needling to the periosteum until a few weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day class with Alon Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at all with Alon, take advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a fountain of information. His new book is great, too, i'm reading through it right now. rh http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Alon: If you have a schedule of classes you teach, please put me on your email list. I am on the east coast and was just in the Bay area. I could get out there again. Thanks, Anne Crowley wrote: > i never had the experience of needling to the periosteum until a few > weeks ago when i had the pleasure of a one-day class with Alon > Marcus. If you ever get the chance to study at all with Alon, take > advantage of it -- he is a virtuoso needler and a fountain of > information. His new book is great, too, i'm reading through it right > now. > >>>>Wow, thanks for the endorsement and glad you enjoyed the course > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 If you have a schedule of classes you teach, please put me on your email list. I am on the east coast and was just in the Bay area. I could get out there again. >>>>> Ok. I am not sure when we are going to start a new series but I will let you know Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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