Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Ahho Doc, Thanks for your account of your experiences in Thailand, it was very moving and inspiring. Im copying it to the team I have got together to go out to asia. Im still following the threads and contacts we are making to try to find the right place to go. Keep in touch if you hear anything. We have 10 to 15 people, equipment and money to get us there and are on the whole acupuncturists and some herbalists. No doubt some magicians too, in their own way. And if you do come to the UK in June to teach Im sure I could put you up and rustle up some interest. Let me know how much you'd need. best wishes Danny Quoting Chinese Medicine : > > > There are 14 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. ancient chinese secrets > " ykcul_ritsym " <ykcul_ritsym > 2. Acupuncture, Spain > Kevin Hamill <kchamill > 3. Re: Acupuncture in Tsunami affected areas > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > 4. Clarifications on my seminars > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > 5. Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > 6. one more report on the tsunami > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > 7. Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > 8. RE: Acupuncture, Spain > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto > 9. Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > " Tom Verhaeghe " <verhaeghe_tom > 10. RE: channel reality > " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy > 11. Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > Doc <Doc > 12. RE: I Ching Acupuncture > " Robert Chu " <chusauli > 13. Re: RE: channel reality > " " <alonmarcus > 14. Re:dallas referral > ktarnower > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 03:30:45 -0000 > " ykcul_ritsym " <ykcul_ritsym > ancient chinese secrets > > > Someone said in another related group; > >>> it is very unreasonable that someone received students money but > >tell them parts of their knowledge or theories behind the technique > >are secret. >> > > That may be true as far as money is concerned, but money cannot buy > understanding. These days, money can only buy a little time to spend > with someone who you hope will increase your knowledge of some topic. > It is like taking a chance. When you speak about 'no secrets- only > not understanding', it will always be true. Let's take the big > picture. > Somebody may observe gua sha, and try to emulate, and do an ok > sensitive technique; watching the color and nodules, feeling the heat > and modulating power, etc. Much of even this cannot be taught. Some > people are gifted. There is the hope and the fear. A good teacher > knows their own shortcomings in life and is reluctant to broadcast > them, like everybody else, and the student needs life experiences to > put it all together. But it may be a long, long time before an > aspiring student and teacher reach the day when face to face, eye to > eye, they know that a realization, a close personal view, is > transmitted. > Who will pay for that wedding? The insurance companies? The > patient base? Long ago we put a pack on our backs and headed to it by > intuition, now we feel ahead electronically, and by database searches > plan what vehicle will optimally deliver us to the goal best. And we > get the same thing we knew before. Nothing. Look at your own world as > it is. Feel it. See and investigate it. What is right, what is wrong. > Seperate from the desire of profit and embrace a true calling. > What realizations may be at the core of someone's actions, methods, > diagnosis? Yin and yang move as moods move, as the fine energies in > the body reflect, but clarity and continuity of reality are still the > great operative tools of this medical path, and their achievement is > at odds with common modern economic models. It's a damn shame. But > that's life I guess. > Reduce stress, increase peace, observe natural being live, promote > healthful circumstances in the world, and in time we will see better > molecular luck. And time to play with refined neural spiritual > connection. > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:11:53 -0400 > Kevin Hamill <kchamill > Acupuncture, Spain > > Hello all, > > If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to > provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of > acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they > may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list > (kchamill). > > I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, > planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 > years. > > I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, > licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much > luck so far. > > I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de > Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on > www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be > performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the > article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to > clarify that. > > Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to > provide. > > > Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:24:47 -0000 > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > Re: Acupuncture in Tsunami affected areas > > > Chinese Medicine , danny@o... wrote: > > Dear Doc, > > > > I noticed you have just returned from Asia. I am emailing from the > UK where I > > have assembled a team of excellent practitioners who want to go and > work out in > > an area where people have been affected by the Tsunami. We also have > equipment > > and funding. > > > > I am finding it difficult to find a group/clinic/project who will > host us. > > Indonesia seems like a closed door due to the chaos of another > earthquake, as > > well as the danger of fighting in Aceh. I am now trying to sort > something out > > in Sri Lanka. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > best wishes > > > > Danny Maxwell > > > AhHo Danny, > > I can offer very little help on this. > The Governments in the Tsunami areas seem very much concerned with > just about everything but helping the people of the region get back to > some semblance of normal life. > > My next trip back thetre will be with a group of Massage Therapists, > NADA Certified LAc., and, Buskers. > G-d willing I am going back in Nov. > Doc > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:34:30 -0000 > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > Clarifications on my seminars > > > The Cosmetic and EMS Seminars will be in Denver. > > The cost will be $300 USD > > WFR = Wilderness First Responder > WMI = Wilderness Medical Institute > > Doc > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:36:24 -0000 > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > > > Chinese Medicine , " Joan Tirro " > <acudoctir@m...> wrote: > > Doc, Where are you located? > > > > Denver, Colorado, USA > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:53:05 -0000 > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > one more report on the tsunami > > > I am just now beginning to read some of the comments sent to me on and > off list about my small part in helping the people effected by the > Tsunami. > Thank you all for the support both monetary and emotional, and for the > kind encouragment. > > FYI for my friends on this list; > Yes I am taking care of myself. Jim MacRitchie LAc. is treating me for > PTSD and I am getting lots of massage. > Doc > > NAM KEM VILLAGE, PHANG NGA PROVINCE, in southern > Thailand - is the area in Thailand, hardest hit by the > Dec. 26 tsunami. > > > ''The people here are devastated. Homes gone. Boats > gone. Children dead, sisters, brothers, mothers, > fathers, grandchildren, all dead,'' said Doc > Rosen,Hunka Lakota medic with the Emergency Air and > Ground Lift and Evacuation Service (EAGLES) team. > EAGLES is an American Indian-organized relief team > that came to provide Medical aid and brought smiles > and magic as well. > > > > ''The people here are still afraid of the sea. " > Conversations with Graeme Killen, an Australian ex-pat > and sole surviving farang (foriegner) in Nam Keam > revealed the pre-tsunami population of this fishing > village conservatively estimated at around 7,000 > including undocumented Burmese workers. Of those > 7,000, in mid-February 2,400 were confirmed > dead and at least 2,000 missing. It will never be > known exactly how many are missing since entire > families disappeared and among the undocumented > workers and their families there is no paper trail. It > is as if they never existed. > > > Rosen said the EAGLES team planned to go to Bandeh > Aceh, but was kept out of the region by the Indonesian > military. Instead, the team went to Nam Kem in Phang > Nga. Rosen found his magic and sleight-of-hand tricks > for the children offered much-needed healing. > > ''The kids flock around asking for magic tricks, as do > the adults. The other aid workers say some have not > smiled in weeks, but they are laughing as I do my > sleight-of-hand,'' Rosen said in an e-mail from > Thailand. > > ''Today an old man who lost his entire family, 16 > people, smiled at me and then he asked me to 'do the > rabbit trick.''' > > The Thai counselor said they thought they would lose > him because he was not responding before this, just > sitting and staring but now he is talking again and > eating. He kept the photo of my newly born > granddaughter. He no longer even has photos of his > children…. > > > > ''They are so sweet and gentle. Many have lost > everyone. Brothers dead, sisters dead, mother and > father dead, it is the constant litany. I cry at > night, but only when alone. > > > > My Thai is returning in full force while doing exams; > *Khun mi dek dek?* (Do you have children?) *Tao rai > dek dek?* (How many children?) Some of the families no > longer have kids... > > ''A little girl started calling me 'uncle;' her > favorite is the magic coloring book ... the kids who > clung to my hands, pants, arms, while wandering > through the village. > > > > ''The Thai counseling people say that the magic tricks > are the biggest step the kids have taken towards > normalization.'' > > Rosen also helped briefly with the recovery of bodies, > and toured refugee camps and orphanages while > performing magic and providing medical aid. A group of > orphans in a temple were among those he entertained. > Meanwhile, the team handed out toothbrushes, performed > medical exams. Doc treated other aid workers as well. > > Rosen is a longtime activist and medical trainer in > the Civil Rights Movement and American Indian > Movement. Doc worked with Dr. ML King. He was the > first medic in Wounded Knee, S.D. in 1973 and > continues to serve as a medic for the AIM. > > Rosen spends part of the year on the Rosebud and Pine > Ridge reservations in South Dakota and Big Mountain > Reservation on the Navajo Nation. He is one of the > founders of the Guatemala Acupuncture and Medical Aid > Project and travels regularly to the Guatemalan > rainforest where he works with the Maya survivors of > La Impunidad - massacres of over 240,000 Maya people. > He also works in Chiapas and was a volunteer during > hurricane Mitch. > > While living with the EAGLES team at a local refugee > camp and eating local food, Rosen said, ''We also > build temporary housing. The men cannot work, they > cannot feed their families, they do not feel alive and > their entire culture is in danger of dying. The > government does nothing for the poor family fishermen. > They are talking about rebuilding boats but only for > the big boat fisheries, not the long tails. They need > to have their fishing boats rebuilt or repaired.'' > > Rosen said the Tsunami Fishermen's Relief Fund –the > long tail boat project - is trying to do exactly that, > with local people and resident foreigners working > together. They need to raise $45,000 to repair or > replace all of the boats of the surviving fishermen. > Only about 6 of the 300 longtail boats were left. With > just a few hundred dollars they have already gotten > boats back in the water fishing. > > ''Right now I am putting a lot of my efforts - outside > of clinic hours and doing magic shows - into helping > with construction of the dry dock. It is mostly just > lifting, carrying, and hammering. This project can > give the people the tools to help themselves. " > > As he departed from Nam Kaem, Rosen wrote, '' said > goodbye to all of the kids, lots of grownups too, and > did some last slight of hand for them. It makes me sad > to have left them. Every Thai person I meet, and lots > of Westerners as well, thank me. I have done next to > nothing, and the need is so incredible; the outpouring > of help is also incredible. I am honored to have been > working with these folks.'' > > " There are memories of Nam Kem I will always carry: > > The kids! > > The wonderful spicy Thai home cooking for two meals a > day - once I got the idea across that I eat no pork or shell fish.... > > -Alena and other volunteers pulling staples out of > used coffins whose wood was intended for the building > of furniture for the World Vision camp that we built and stayed > in. > > The man who keeps repeating, " Why did the waves take > all my family and leave only me behind? " > > All of the volunteers who cry only when they think no > one is looking. > > The man who will not stop searching the rubble for his > wife and children even though workers have already > scraped his former home clear. > > The smell of death > > The sweltering heat and humidity, > the smiles of the survivors and > the lingering beauty of the land, still visible > despite total destruction. > > The volunteers – Aussies, Brits, Kiwis, French, > Canadians, Quebecoise, Yanks, Israelis, Palestinians… > young people from Nederlands, Germany, Italy, Spain, > Finland, Sweden, all of the world was there along with > the many volunteers from all over Thailand. > > Many put up their rent money or next semesters tuition > to get here… " (NB;Rosen himself paid for his trip with > his rent money) > > Never seeing most of the big charities like Red Cross > that are making money from this misery (UNICEF was > there-as usual) > > Joining Rosen was physicians assistant Alex Bertelsen. > Bertelsen volunteered for the team and, like Rosen, > and many others paid his own way here to serve > > Bertelsen described the smashed buildings and the > devastation that remained after the sea water crashed > through buildings, sweeping the people and debris > inland and carrying them out to sea. In Nam Kaem, no > medical relief arrived for two weeks and people with > broken arms and legs and treatable injuries died from > infections while waiting for help. > > Alex provided a medical assessment for the EAGLES team > and helped construct the plywood one-room box homes > being constructed by World Vision, UNICEF, and other > international aid groups. he also helped with the > sports and recreation projects to bring joy to > children and youth. > > Bertelson, who speaks some Thai, once served as a U.S. > Army Special Forces medic in Asia. ''I have a > connection with the Thai people and wanted to help.'' > He said he was wondering how he could help when he ran > into Dr. Robert Lame Bull McDonald, Blackfeet, an > organizer of the EAGLES team, and McDonald asked him > if he would like to join the team to Thailand. > > There is a great need for post-traumatic stress work > in Thailand; however, the greatest need for medical > teams remains in Sri Lanka and Sumatra, where the lack > of roads and infrastructure hinders aid to tsunami > victims. > > McDonald organized the team with American Indian > activist Robert Free Galvan (WK'73 vet) in Seattle. > > Galvan, in Seattle, is organizing a clean water > project for villagers hit by the tsunami. Stephen > Johnson, Chippewa from Ann Arbor, Mich. who is working > in finance and lives in Singapore, is assisting him. > Johnson serves as a contact to identify villages to > receive the forthcoming water supply systems. > > ''We are still hoping to have a Native organization or > tribe sponsor the water project for at least one or > two villages,'' Galvan said. > > > > For more information on the Fishermans Boat project, > http://www.tfrf.net. or http://www.tfrf.org. > > Donations to help Doc with his ongoing work can be > sent to; > https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=drdrdoc%40 & item_name=Medical+Com\ mittee+for+Human+Rights > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:57:30 -0000 > " Dr. R. S. Doc Rosen " <Doc > Re: Cosmetic Acupuncuture Seminar > > > Chinese Medicine , May > Lucken-Ardjomande <maylucken@q...> wrote: > > Hi Doc, > > > > Where are you going to give this seminar? And how much will it be? > > > > Regards > > > > May > > > > > > > > Hi May, > Denver Colorado > $300 USD (165 GBP) > I can also do a wi\orkshop in the UK in late May or in June since I > will be in the EU doing several seminars already. > Doc > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 8 > Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto > RE: Acupuncture, Spain > > Hi Kevin, > > Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including Spain. This means that only > MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are qualified and licensed to > do so in your own country. There are ways around this by working under a > sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can practice and on what type of > patients. > > Kind regards > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > 07786198900 > attiliodalberto > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com > > > Kevin Hamill [kchamill] > 04 April 2005 09:12 > Chinese Medicine > Acupuncture, Spain > > > Hello all, > > If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to > provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of > acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they > may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list > (kchamill). > > I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, > planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 > years. > > I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, > licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much > luck so far. > > I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de > Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on > www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be > performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the > article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to > clarify that. > > Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to > provide. > > > Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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