Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Hello all, If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list (kchamill). I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 years. I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much luck so far. I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to clarify that. Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to provide. Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Hi Kevin, Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including Spain. This means that only MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are qualified and licensed to do so in your own country. There are ways around this by working under a sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can practice and on what type of patients. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com Kevin Hamill [kchamill] 04 April 2005 09:12 Chinese Medicine Acupuncture, Spain Hello all, If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list (kchamill). I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 years. I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much luck so far. I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to clarify that. Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to provide. Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 hiya everyone, I am currently trying to write out my dissertation on pain management and an wondering if anyone has articles or anything of the sort that can help me out. I am finding it really hard Many thanks Dimple > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > >Hi Kevin, > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including Spain. This means that only >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are qualified and licensed to >do so in your own country. There are ways around this by working under a >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can practice and on what type >of >patients. > >Kind regards > >Attilio D'Alberto >Doctor of (Beijing, China) >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM >07786198900 >attiliodalberto > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com > > >Kevin Hamill [kchamill] >04 April 2005 09:12 >Chinese Medicine >Acupuncture, Spain > > >Hello all, > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to >provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they >may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list >(kchamill). > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 >years. > >I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much >luck so far. > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to >clarify that. > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to >provide. > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust >accordingly. > >Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group >requires prior permission from the author. > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Something from my writings you might find useful: Pain is always a disharmony. A disharmony may or may not be pain. If you treat pain and not the disharmony, pain will go away to come back as another illness which bears no resemblance to the original condition. Example, migraine: If it is chronic and temporal, and is reduced by GB SJ points as in the texts, it will keep relapsing, and sooner or later turn into an illness of ST. Such a pain should be diagnosed as a 5 E pattern and then treated. Pattern: A LU xu GB Rising temporal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Tone LU with Mother point and reduce GB with a Son point. Pattern: A LV Stagnated ST Rising frontal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Harmonize LV and reduce ST with a Son point. Example, sprained ankle: If it is a habitual incident and happens again and again over years, and the ankle turns inwards, and it is more R than L ankle, this is a GB based illness with the ankle pain playing a minor role. Treat this with harmonizing LV and working out kinks in the GB vessel. As often the Dai on R side or L is culpable. Pain in terms of qi gradient: If there is a blocked qi, proximal part will be acute and excess pain and the distal chronic and numb pain. If block is partly released or becomes chronic, proximal part will be chronic and distal an ache. Treat both conditions as an asymmetry, which must be identified and righted. Such a pain, unless acute, is never directly treated. Trade mark pain types: Head and neck rigidity and pain - HT xu. Sciatica - if violent - a LU condition. Sciatica - if low grade - a K condition. Sciatica - if changing from R to L & back - a LV condition. R Sciatica with L shoulder anomalies - a spine or Dai asymmetry. Pain which throbs - component of Heat and Fire. Treat by draining Heat. Pain which aches- component of Cold and Damp. Treat by applying Heat. Pain acute with h/o injury - Blood stagnation. Treat by bleeding. Pain which is timely on horary clock - problem on that or opposite vessel. Treat by vessel on one or other side of the clock. In a sense there is no pain without blocked qi. In a sense there can be blocked qi with an entire absence of pain. Here is a Q for you: What causes the fiercest pain, a Heat and Fiery condition, or a Cold invasion one? Hope this helps. Holmes. www.acu-free.com Dimple Sharma wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles or anything of the > sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > Many thanks > > Dimple > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 thank you for taking time out for sending me that. thats great information. Thank you very much. kind regards, dimple >dkakobad <dkaikobad >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Acupuncture, Spain >Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:21:04 -0700 > >Something from my writings you might find useful: > >Pain is always a disharmony. >A disharmony may or may not be pain. > >If you treat pain and not the disharmony, pain will go away to come back >as another >illness which bears no resemblance to the original condition. > >Example, migraine: > >If it is chronic and temporal, and is reduced by GB SJ points as in the >texts, it will >keep relapsing, and sooner or later turn into an illness of ST. > >Such a pain should be diagnosed as a 5 E pattern and then treated. > >Pattern: A LU xu GB Rising temporal migraine pattern. >Treatment protocol: Tone LU with Mother point and reduce GB with a Son >point. > >Pattern: A LV Stagnated ST Rising frontal migraine pattern. >Treatment protocol: Harmonize LV and reduce ST with a Son point. > >Example, sprained ankle: >If it is a habitual incident and happens again and again over years, and >the ankle >turns inwards, and it is more R than L ankle, this is a GB based illness >with the >ankle pain playing a minor role. > >Treat this with harmonizing LV and working out kinks in the GB vessel. > >As often the Dai on R side or L is culpable. > >Pain in terms of qi gradient: >If there is a blocked qi, proximal part will be acute and excess pain >and the >distal chronic and numb pain. > >If block is partly released or becomes chronic, proximal part will be >chronic and >distal an ache. > >Treat both conditions as an asymmetry, which must be identified and >righted. Such >a pain, unless acute, is never directly treated. > >Trade mark pain types: >Head and neck rigidity and pain - HT xu. >Sciatica - if violent - a LU condition. >Sciatica - if low grade - a K condition. >Sciatica - if changing from R to L & back - a LV condition. >R Sciatica with L shoulder anomalies - a spine or Dai asymmetry. > >Pain which throbs - component of Heat and Fire. >Treat by draining Heat. > >Pain which aches- component of Cold and Damp. >Treat by applying Heat. > >Pain acute with h/o injury - Blood stagnation. >Treat by bleeding. > >Pain which is timely on horary clock - problem on that or opposite vessel. >Treat by vessel on one or other side of the clock. > >In a sense there is no pain without blocked qi. >In a sense there can be blocked qi with an entire absence of pain. > >Here is a Q for you: >What causes the fiercest pain, a Heat and Fiery condition, or a Cold >invasion one? > >Hope this helps. > >Holmes. >www.acu-free.com > > > > > > > > > >Dimple Sharma wrote: > > > hiya everyone, > > > > I am currently trying to write out my dissertation on pain > > management and an wondering if anyone has articles or anything of the > > sort > > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > > > Many thanks > > > > Dimple > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Yoi are welcome. Today;s student is tomorrow's great healer. Holmes. Dimple Sharma wrote: > thank you for taking time out for sending me that. thats great > information. > Thank you very much. > > kind regards, > dimple > > >dkakobad <dkaikobad > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Acupuncture, Spain > >Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:21:04 -0700 > > > >Something from my writings you might find useful: > > > >Pain is always a disharmony. > >A disharmony may or may not be pain. > > > >If you treat pain and not the disharmony, pain will go away to come back > >as another > >illness which bears no resemblance to the original condition. > > > >Example, migraine: > > > >If it is chronic and temporal, and is reduced by GB SJ points as in the > >texts, it will > >keep relapsing, and sooner or later turn into an illness of ST. > > > >Such a pain should be diagnosed as a 5 E pattern and then treated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Valerie Mendels is an acupuncturist practicing in Spain. Her email is valeriemendels. If you need address and phone number, I can email you privately. Sorry it took so long to respond. She was out of the country, then when I came up for air, I finally got it to you. Good luck, Anne Kevin Hamill wrote: > Hello all, > > If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to > provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of > acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they > may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list > (kchamill). > > I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, > planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 > years. > > I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, > licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much > luck so far. > > I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de > Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on > www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be > performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the > article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to > clarify that. > > Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to > provide. > > > Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > academics, > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Hi Kevin I live in Caracas-Venezuela, and I am studying acupuncture right now in my second year, the school were I am studying is originally from Spain and tehy have established schools in some other places, I am including here some information about them with contact names, phones and emails. Good luck with your search, Ricardo Lorenzi FINLANDIA HELSINKI Gandul Saris–Sauri Dirección: Kristianink 2 B 00170 – HKI Teléfono: 358 – 9 – 1351692 Fax: 358 –9– 68136530 E-mail: neijing ESTONIA HAAPSALU CASA DE EL SUSPIRO LUMINOSO Sheroke Rico Rami Dirección: C/ Ungru Tee 27 Haapsalu 90403 Tel/Fax: 37 – 247 – 32254 E-mail: suspiroluminoso ALEMANIA ZEHDENICK QI TIAN XIN SOPLO DEL CORAZÓN CELESTE Teresia Odegard-Struck Dirección: Grossenhofer Weg20 16792 Zehdenick Tel/Fax : 49 – 3307311308 E-mail: Qi.Tian.Xin ESPAÑA Pozo Amargo Tian Centro de Estudios y Desarrollo de Medicina Tradicional. Dr. José Luis Padilla Corral Dirección: Cno. de la Roda s/n CP 16708 (Cuenca) Teléfono: 34 - 969 – 387690 Fax: 34 - 969 – 387601 E-mail: oracion97 MADRID Dr. José Luis Padilla Corral Dirección: C/Menorca nº 1 Madrid 28009 Teléfono: 34-91 – 4090222 Fax: 34-91 – 5767801 E-mail: humanismosanador SEVILLA CASA DE ORACION Dra. Carmen Tocado Dirección: C/ Quinita Flores, 2-bajo, pta. 3 Sevilla 41013 Tel/Fax: 34-95 – 4618009 E-mail: poesia.de.luz PAIS VASCO Argi Doinu Etxea La Casa del Sonido de la Luz Xchanklas Martín Itziar Elexpe Dirección: Barrio Untxa nº 1.- Bedarona - Ea. Vizcaya. Teléfono: 34-94 – 6278060 VALENCIA Mateo Franco Sanchez Dirección: C/ Bonavista, nº 11. Beniganim 46830. Teléfono: 34-96 – 2216207 COLOMBIA CALI Dr. Harold Bejarano Dirección: Kra 65 Nº 3D – 11 Teléfono: 57–2–3390485 Fax: 57-2-3151768 E-mail: neijingkali SANTA FE DE BOGOTA LA CASA DE LA FE Javier Parajón Dirección: Cra. 4, nº: 56-84 sur. Barrio Danubio Azul –Usme Correo: Apdo Correos Nº 4822 Fax: 57 – 1 – 5682692 Teléfono, consulta: 57 – 1 – 5684683 E-mail: serviciosagrado MEDELLIN Dr. Sergio Pineda Dirección: Calle 49 DD Nº 81C-62 Teléfono: 57 – 4 – 2341602 Fax: 57 – 4 – 4211000 Dirección: Calle 57 Nº 50A-58 Teléfono: 57 – 4 – 5130837 E-mail: artesan LA CASA DE LA CRISÁLIDA Dirección: Autopista Med-Bog. Km. 32 Vereda Garrido (Guarne) Tel/Fax: 57 – 4 – 5300254 / 5301849 BARRANQUILLA Dr. SERGIO BARRIOS Dirección: Carrera 60, nº 79/369. Barrio Paraíso Teléfono: 57 - 5 – 3787947 TUNJA MARTA RIVERO Dirección: Calle 18 nº. 12-28 Teléfono: 57 - 87 – 401746 VENEZUELA MARACAY Dr. Jesús Velázquez Dirección: C/ Paez 85. La Candelaria. Maracay. Edo. Aragua Tel/Fax: 58 – 243 – 2836436 Tel. Consulta: 58 – 243 - 2830866 E mail: arepa3 CARACAS Dr. Juan José Sánchez Dirección: Av. / Caroni 111 Quinta Isabella. Valle Abajo. Caracas Teléfono: 58 – 212 – 6935893 Móvil: 679384478 E-mail: tianvenezuela PERÚ LIMA Dr. Manuel Contreras Dirección: Av. Arica 274. Lima 32. Tel/Fax: 51 – 1 – 2634067 E-mail: piedad ECUADOR QUITO Dra. Gloria Navarro Correo: Central de Correos de Tumbaco. Quito. Tel/Fax: 593 – 2 – 371533 REPUBLICA DOMINICANA SANTO DOMINGO Dr. Iñaki Sanchez Dirección: Calle Sagrario Díaz, nº 5 - Bella Vista Teléfono: 1 – 809 – 5346458 Fax: 1 – 809 – 4734508 E-mail: casadelvuelo SANTIAGO DE LOS CABALLEROS Dirección: Calle esquina Bueno Motors # 3. Av. Estrella Shadalá (frente a la Farmacia Firiley) Santiago. Teléfono: 1 – 809 – 7243531 E-mail: estrellafugaz BRASIL PORTO ALEGRE D. Vitor Lima Dirección: José de Pattrocinio,621-Cidade Baixa CEP 90050 - 001 Porto Alegre. Rio Grande do Sul Tel/Fax: 55 – 51 – 32244216 E-mail: neijing-poa RÍO DE JANEIRO Dr. Alfons Endres Dirección: Rua do Triunfo, 38 Santa Tereza CEP 20240 – 320 Río de Janeiro Teléfono: 55 – 21 - 25095738 E-mail: neijingrio URUGUAY CANELONES Jesús Manuel Rodríguez Dirección: Calle 53, manzana 271, solar 6 . Solymar. Canelones. Teléfono: 598 – 2 – 6959258 Fax: 598 – 2 –6960381 E-mail: tien ARGENTINA BUENOS AIRES CASA DEL VUELO Dr. Juan David Osorio Dirección: C/ Arturo Jauretche, n 37 CP 1405 Tel/Fax: 54 – 11 – 49824507 E-mail: casadelvuelo MAR DEL PLATA Dr. Lieque Leonardo Dirección: Av. Jara 1066. CP. 7600 Teléfono: 54– 223–4759024 E-mail: tianmar MÉXICO CANCÚN EL ÁNIMA DEL VIENTO Spyros Root Dirección : Calle 6, Mz 15, L 14 SMz 61 Colonia López Portillo. Cancún, Quintana Roo, México 77514 Teléfono: 52 – 98 – 841335 E-mail: humasana MÉXICO D.F. Alba Lucia Arias Dirección: C/ Minatitlan, 31. Colonia Roma Sur Delegación Cuathemoc. C:P: 06760 México D.F. Teléfono: 52-55-644810 E-mail: Perladejade PUEBLA Dirección: C/ Río Suchiate, nº 5538. Colonia San Manuel. Puebla. Tel/Fax: 52-22-447227 MONTERREY Dr. Leopoldo Martos Dirección: C/ Josep Roberton 371. Colonia Chepevera. Monterey. Nvo. León. Teléfono: 52-8-3462926 E-mail: escuelaneijingmty NORUEGA OSLO LING Edel Huru Dirección: Kroerveien 70. 1430 Ls Teléfono: 47 – 64 – 944491 Fax: 47 – 64 – 941094 E-mail: neijing On 4/20/05, Anne Crowley <blazing.valley wrote: > Valerie Mendels is an acupuncturist practicing in Spain. Her email is > valeriemendels. If you need address and phone number, I can > email you privately. Sorry it took so long to respond. She was out of > the country, then when I came up for air, I finally got it to you. > > Good luck, > > Anne > > > > > Kevin Hamill wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that may be willing to > > provide me with information regarding the legal status and practice of > > acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any information you/they > > may be able to provide, either here or directly to me off-list > > (kchamill). > > > > I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as Irish citizen, > > planning on moving to Madrid. I have been licensed/practicing for 7 > > years. > > > > I have been looking for information regarding acupuncture laws, > > licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain but have not had much > > luck so far. > > > > I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the Ministerio de > > Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have also read on > > www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture may only be > > performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping I misunderstood the > > article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone will be able to > > clarify that. > > > > Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you might be able to > > provide. > > > > > > Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > > and > > adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > > group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > > academics, > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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