Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, i'm treating 2 varices patients using acupuncture.but some more experienced seniors told me that the results usually arent satisfying.so pls share your experiences or opinions in the treatment of varices.thanks a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Can you elaborate a little please? Location of var ices: Mainly on yin or yang surface: Size average in mm: Color on an average: Bleeding or not: Etc Also who has it, a sort of profile? And what else is happening? This will give a better idea on how to resolve the condition. In usual instances the vericosities are a very obvious marker, flagging some other illness which tries its best to be not seen. Holmes. xmhhhh wrote: > > Hi, > i'm treating 2 varices patients using acupuncture.but some more > experienced seniors told me that the results usually arent > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or opinions in the treatment > of varices.thanks a lot > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 hi, i'll try to provide the detail location:both on their lower extremities mainly on yin surface the color is greenish not bleeding their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours standing. they dont have any conventional western medicine treatment for their varices. i hope this information would be enough.thanks --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > Can you elaborate a little please? > Location of var ices: > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > Size average in mm: > Color on an average: > Bleeding or not: > Etc > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > And what else is happening? > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > condition. > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > obvious marker, flagging > some other > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > Holmes. > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > acupuncture.but some more > > experienced seniors told me that the results > usually arent > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > opinions in the treatment > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Varices is herpes zoster? x mh [xmhhhh] Monday, 28 March 2005 7:24 PM Chinese Medicine Re: varices hi, i'll try to provide the detail location:both on their lower extremities mainly on yin surface the color is greenish not bleeding their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours standing. they dont have any conventional western medicine treatment for their varices. i hope this information would be enough.thanks --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > Can you elaborate a little please? > Location of var ices: > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > Size average in mm: > Color on an average: > Bleeding or not: > Etc > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > And what else is happening? > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > condition. > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > obvious marker, flagging > some other > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > acupuncture.but some more > > experienced seniors told me that the results > usually arent > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > opinions in the treatment > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Varux, vein. The very natural 'varix', plural, became, because William the Whatever, in 1066 or so, managed to hoax hoary Saxons ruled by Harold Godwinson, one ought not to carry about such names, out of their snug redoubt, at Hastings, and be decidedly decimated, by usage to the prim Norman mouth, var ice. Later generations of Oxfordians, sitting in longboats, racing to nowhere the Cambridgians, on the muddy Thames, which they like to call Tames, thought of dropping the solitary suffix, 's', and left the unwary world who developed runny veins where runny stockings should be, and we came upon varices. I am of the hope, that this exposition of varices, suffices. Holmes of Hoxfordshire In the Dale of Dottingham. Sharon wrote: > Varices is herpes zoster? > > > > > x mh [xmhhhh] > Monday, 28 March 2005 7:24 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: varices > > > hi, > i'll try to provide the detail > location:both on their lower extremities > mainly on yin surface > the color is greenish > not bleeding > their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is > ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours > standing. > they dont have any conventional western medicine > treatment for their varices. > i hope this information would be enough.thanks > > --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > > Can you elaborate a little please? > > Location of var ices: > > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > > Size average in mm: > > Color on an average: > > Bleeding or not: > > Etc > > > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > > And what else is happening? > > > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > > condition. > > > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > > obvious marker, flagging > > some other > > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > > acupuncture.but some more > > > experienced seniors told me that the results > > usually arent > > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > > opinions in the treatment > > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 To find the best way to heal, one must find the best way to plot the symptoms on a 5 element grid, in a sequential, chronologic order. If this is done, the design of illness is apparent, and then 4 needles can bring about such change, as twenty, over twenty weeks will not. lower extremities - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause yin surface - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause, reinforced the color is greenish - green is LV, LV is a noisy, windy, yang type cause not bleeding - SP still holding, men strong and sturdy not bleeding - HT Blood thick, LV Mother neglecting HT Son, men not so strong and sturdy factory worker, oil surveyor - sturdy men with well worked limbs, not SP types factory worker, oil surveyor - outgoing men, not desk bound, not SP types long hours standing - standing injures LV Pattern so far - a lot of LV coming up - LV Stagnated, SP Injured. Can you look up more LV signs? Outside of sclera blood shot Greenish hue on upper eye lid, temple Congested L subcostal margin Tender R LV 14 Tender point on L great toe at the small hairs Tender congested L ST 27, Matsumoto's Sign LV shu tender Both UB 17 tender R GB sign on rib cage tender like the Blazes R GB 39 tender LV signs on ST: Acidity, Mylanta types Pot bellied, wide at girth Maybe Esophageal hernia Acid Reflux Reddish hue on cheeks [this can mean many things] REN 9 to 13 inundated, shallow, there's a pencil there Let us know. Holmes x mh wrote: > hi, > i'll try to provide the detail > location:both on their lower extremities > mainly on yin surface > the color is greenish > not bleeding > their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is > ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours > standing. > they dont have any conventional western medicine > treatment for their varices. > i hope this information would be enough.thanks > > --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > > Can you elaborate a little please? > > Location of var ices: > > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > > Size average in mm: > > Color on an average: > > Bleeding or not: > > Etc > > > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > > And what else is happening? > > > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > > condition. > > > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > > obvious marker, flagging > > some other > > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > > acupuncture.but some more > > > experienced seniors told me that the results > > usually arent > > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > > opinions in the treatment > > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Many thanks of Holmes of Hoxfordshire! dkakobad [dkaikobad] Monday, 28 March 2005 11:44 PM Chinese Medicine Re: varices Varux, vein. The very natural 'varix', plural, became, because William the Whatever, in 1066 or so, managed to hoax hoary Saxons ruled by Harold Godwinson, one ought not to carry about such names, out of their snug redoubt, at Hastings, and be decidedly decimated, by usage to the prim Norman mouth, var ice. Later generations of Oxfordians, sitting in longboats, racing to nowhere the Cambridgians, on the muddy Thames, which they like to call Tames, thought of dropping the solitary suffix, 's', and left the unwary world who developed runny veins where runny stockings should be, and we came upon varices. I am of the hope, that this exposition of varices, suffices. Holmes of Hoxfordshire In the Dale of Dottingham. Sharon wrote: > Varices is herpes zoster? > > > > > x mh [xmhhhh] > Monday, 28 March 2005 7:24 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: varices > > > hi, > i'll try to provide the detail > location:both on their lower extremities > mainly on yin surface > the color is greenish > not bleeding > their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is > ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours > standing. > they dont have any conventional western medicine > treatment for their varices. > i hope this information would be enough.thanks > > --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > > Can you elaborate a little please? > > Location of var ices: > > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > > Size average in mm: > > Color on an average: > > Bleeding or not: > > Etc > > > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > > And what else is happening? > > > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > > condition. > > > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > > obvious marker, flagging > > some other > > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > > acupuncture.but some more > > > experienced seniors told me that the results > > usually arent > > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > > opinions in the treatment > > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 What type of healer would you rate yourself to be? Sensitive or insensitive? Stable or unstable? Steady or wavering? Anchored or flighty? Even tempered or angry? Even angered or given to rage? Angry but overly cool? Practical or given to flight in ideas? Well read or tending to improvise? Orthodox or New Age struck? Charitable or mean tempered? Casteless or caste ridden? Cognizant or in denial? Reasonably healthy or falling apart? Balanced or in disharmony? Cool or tending to Heat? Heated or tending to Fire. Cool or tending to Cold. Cold or tending to frozen. Open minded or bigoted. Smug or open to learning? Exclusive or open to change? A true healer or just a mock up of one? Holmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 x mh any more to this case? Holmes dkakobad wrote: > To find the best way to heal, one must find the best way to plot the > symptoms on a > 5 element grid, in a sequential, chronologic order. > > If this is done, the design of illness is apparent, and then 4 needles > can bring about > such change, as twenty, over twenty weeks will not. > > lower extremities - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause > yin surface - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause, reinforced > the color is greenish - green is LV, LV is a noisy, windy, yang type cause > not bleeding - SP still holding, men strong and sturdy > not bleeding - HT Blood thick, LV Mother neglecting HT Son, men not so > strong and sturdy > factory worker, oil surveyor - sturdy men with well worked limbs, not SP > types > factory worker, oil surveyor - outgoing men, not desk bound, not SP types > long hours standing - standing injures LV > > Pattern so far - a lot of LV coming up - LV Stagnated, SP Injured. > > Can you look up more LV signs? > Outside of sclera blood shot > Greenish hue on upper eye lid, temple > Congested L subcostal margin > Tender R LV 14 > Tender point on L great toe at the small hairs > Tender congested L ST 27, Matsumoto's Sign > LV shu tender > Both UB 17 tender > R GB sign on rib cage tender like the Blazes > R GB 39 tender > > LV signs on ST: > Acidity, Mylanta types > Pot bellied, wide at girth > Maybe Esophageal hernia > Acid Reflux > Reddish hue on cheeks [this can mean many things] > REN 9 to 13 inundated, shallow, there's a pencil there > > Let us know. > > Holmes > > > x mh wrote: > > > hi, > > i'll try to provide the detail > > location:both on their lower extremities > > mainly on yin surface > > the color is greenish > > not bleeding > > their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is > > ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours > > standing. > > they dont have any conventional western medicine > > treatment for their varices. > > i hope this information would be enough.thanks > > > > --- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote: > > > Can you elaborate a little please? > > > Location of var ices: > > > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > > > Size average in mm: > > > Color on an average: > > > Bleeding or not: > > > Etc > > > > > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > > > And what else is happening? > > > > > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > > > condition. > > > > > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > > > obvious marker, flagging > > > some other > > > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > > > > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > > > acupuncture.but some more > > > > experienced seniors told me that the results > > > usually arent > > > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > > > opinions in the treatment > > > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 hi doc, we never , or should i say i, have a thorough palpation like that but i'll try next time when i meet them. we usually use the prism needle in treating varices,the varices would be gone for a while but a while later they'll be back.i dont use this method to these patients cause both of them are 'needle phobia'.beside that,this method doesnt really solve the main cause. i only use 1.5 cun needles and electro stimulation.see ya later. Chinese Medicine , dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > x mh > any more to this case? > > Holmes > > dkakobad wrote: > > > To find the best way to heal, one must find the best way to plot the > > symptoms on a > > 5 element grid, in a sequential, chronologic order. > > > > If this is done, the design of illness is apparent, and then 4 needles > > can bring about > > such change, as twenty, over twenty weeks will not. > > > > lower extremities - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause > > yin surface - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause, reinforced > > the color is greenish - green is LV, LV is a noisy, windy, yang type cause > > not bleeding - SP still holding, men strong and sturdy > > not bleeding - HT Blood thick, LV Mother neglecting HT Son, men not so > > strong and sturdy > > factory worker, oil surveyor - sturdy men with well worked limbs, not SP > > types > > factory worker, oil surveyor - outgoing men, not desk bound, not SP types > > long hours standing - standing injures LV > > > > Pattern so far - a lot of LV coming up - LV Stagnated, SP Injured. > > > > Can you look up more LV signs? > > Outside of sclera blood shot > > Greenish hue on upper eye lid, temple > > Congested L subcostal margin > > Tender R LV 14 > > Tender point on L great toe at the small hairs > > Tender congested L ST 27, Matsumoto's Sign > > LV shu tender > > Both UB 17 tender > > R GB sign on rib cage tender like the Blazes > > R GB 39 tender > > > > LV signs on ST: > > Acidity, Mylanta types > > Pot bellied, wide at girth > > Maybe Esophageal hernia > > Acid Reflux > > Reddish hue on cheeks [this can mean many things] > > REN 9 to 13 inundated, shallow, there's a pencil there > > > > Let us know. > > > > Holmes > > > > > > x mh wrote: > > > > > hi, > > > i'll try to provide the detail > > > location:both on their lower extremities > > > mainly on yin surface > > > the color is greenish > > > not bleeding > > > their occupations:one is factory worker,the other is > > > ex oil surveyor,their jobs requires them to long hours > > > standing. > > > they dont have any conventional western medicine > > > treatment for their varices. > > > i hope this information would be enough.thanks > > > > > > --- dkakobad <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > > > > Can you elaborate a little please? > > > > Location of var ices: > > > > Mainly on yin or yang surface: > > > > Size average in mm: > > > > Color on an average: > > > > Bleeding or not: > > > > Etc > > > > > > > > Also who has it, a sort of profile? > > > > And what else is happening? > > > > > > > > This will give a better idea on how to resolve the > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > In usual instances the vericosities are a very > > > > obvious marker, flagging > > > > some other > > > > illness which tries its best to be not seen. > > > > > > > > Holmes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmhhhh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > i'm treating 2 varices patients using > > > > acupuncture.but some more > > > > > experienced seniors told me that the results > > > > usually arent > > > > > satisfying.so pls share your experiences or > > > > opinions in the treatment > > > > > of varices.thanks a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Thanks for writing in. Holmes. xmhhhh wrote: > > hi doc, > > we never , or should i say i, have a thorough palpation like that > but i'll try next time when i meet them. > we usually use the prism needle in treating varices,the varices would > be gone for a while but a while later they'll be back.i dont use this > method to these patients cause both of them are 'needle > phobia'.beside that,this method doesnt really solve the main cause. > i only use 1.5 cun needles and electro stimulation.see ya later. > Chinese Medicine , dkakobad > <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > > x mh > > any more to this case? > > > > Holmes > > > > dkakobad wrote: > > > > > To find the best way to heal, one must find the best way to plot > the > > > symptoms on a > > > 5 element grid, in a sequential, chronologic order. > > > > > > If this is done, the design of illness is apparent, and then 4 > needles > > > can bring about > > > such change, as twenty, over twenty weeks will not. > > > > > > lower extremities - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause > > > yin surface - a yin presentation, there must be a yang cause, > reinforced > > > the color is greenish - green is LV, LV is a noisy, windy, yang > type cause > > > not bleeding - SP still holding, men strong and sturdy > > > not bleeding - HT Blood thick, LV Mother neglecting HT Son, men > not so > > > strong and sturdy > > > factory worker, oil surveyor - sturdy men with well worked limbs, > not SP > > > types > > > factory worker, oil surveyor - outgoing men, not desk bound, not > SP types > > > long hours standing - standing injures LV > > > > > > Pattern so far - a lot of LV coming up - LV Stagnated, SP Injured. > > > > > > Can you look up more LV signs? > > > Outside of sclera blood shot > > > Greenish hue on upper eye lid, temple > > > Congested L subcostal margin > > > Tender R LV 14 > > > Tender point on L great toe at the small hairs > > > Tender congested L ST 27, Matsumoto's Sign > > > LV shu tender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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