TCM configuration of gluten allergy

[Guest guest]

Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a LV condition with flank

pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

 

If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress or regres along set

pathways,

and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing condition, onewonders

if it has

originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI problem, as the basic

theater

to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to LI.

 

In which case can gluten allergy really be a progression of LU LI

illness, and can

the allergic status be amenable to treatment by regularization of Metal.

 

I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch in.

 

Dr. Holmes

CEUS by DVD

www.acu-free.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Holmes

this is an interesting question and one I have been asking myself lately. I

have recently (in the last 12 months) discovered that I am intolerant to

gluten and am also a Metal constitutional type. In my case, gluten causes

asthma and some heat.

I also have dairy intolerance, but that is much easier to reflect in TCM

speak as Damp pathogen.

regards

Susie

 

 

>

> Message: 4

> Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:16:49 -0700

> holmes <dkaikobad

> TCM configuration of gluten allergy

>

> Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a LV condition

> with flank

> pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

>

> If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress or regres along set

> pathways,

> and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing condition, onewonders

> if it has

> originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI problem, as the basic

> theater

> to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to LI.

>

> In which case can gluten allergy really be a progression of LU LI

> illness, and can

> the allergic status be amenable to treatment by regularization of Metal.

>

> I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch in.

>

> Dr. Holmes

> CEUS by DVD

> www.acu-free.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Suppose we establish that in our case Metal has managed to Cut Wood, and

in due

course Wood is now returning the favor by causing the " asthma and some

heat " .

 

If this is found to be true, restablisheg the 5 Eenegetics can

cure the gluten intolerance as well as heal asthma an tendency to

Heat.

 

Here are some tried and trusted LU Metal in Deficiency. I am sure you

have worked out some of your own:

 

Tongue:

narrowed at anterior 1/3, almost conical

or with two linear indentations on either side of the median

or some shallow irregular fissure in the same area.

 

Triggers:

tender LU 1 and 2 area

tender intercostal spaces 3 to 7 both sides

tender LU 8 on thenar eminence

tender back shu for LU

tender ST 27 both or R

tender indurated gummy LI 11 and 10 and surrounding area

 

Trademark symptoms:

Hates sun

never perpires

never perspirs in armpit

very Dry skin

has headache after exposure to sun

brown patches skin esp back

some with irregular color markings and irregular edges

 

Ear:

very clear indent on LU in one or both ears

discoloration at LU point

 

Insomnia:

wakes at 3 AM; after 3 and before 4 AM

wakes suddenly

 

Trigger release test:

LU 1 and 2 release by simple massage on any release point on LU track

 

Discoloration on Ren:

Ren 17 or thereabouts discolred; reddish, ruddy, blotchy

 

If these are valid one can proceed.

 

Holmes

 

 

Susie Parkinson wrote:

 

> Hi Holmes

> this is an interesting question and one I have been asking myself

> lately. I

> have recently (in the last 12 months) discovered that I am intolerant to

> gluten and am also a Metal constitutional type. In my case, gluten causes

> asthma and some heat.

> I also have dairy intolerance, but that is much easier to reflect in TCM

> speak as Damp pathogen.

> regards

> Susie

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Holmes,

I have seen gluten allergy run in families, which suggests a genetic

component as father and one of three sons has the condition diagnosed later

in life.

 

As I recall wheat is cold and notorious for digestion problems.

 

If it is a genetic weakness could it be a Kidney problem showing within

Small Intestine? A problem of sorting the pure form the inpurer?

 

Grain digestion seems to be a problem amongst many people. I consider

bloating and especially flatulence to be signs of fermenting grains in the

gut.

 

One of the contributing factors maybe the use of yeast rather than sour

dough bread making. Sour dough bread making actually has the bacteria

breaking down the grain to make gas to cause the dough to rise, where as the

yeast is feed sugar to make gas and raise the dough.

 

Is it curable?

 

I am still open minded. I see some people who are complete celiaca's since

birth and others who after 40 appear with more symptoms of grain digestion

distress. So perhaps there is that that is genetic and that which is

acquired as digestive well being degenerates over time.

Best wishes,

 

 

holmes [dkaikobad]

Sunday, 20 March 2005 2:17 AM

TCMed; TCMAcademics Moderator

TCM configuration of gluten allergy

 

 

Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a LV condition with

flank

pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

 

If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress or regres along set

pathways,

and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing condition, onewonders

if it has

originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI problem, as the basic

theater

to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to LI.

 

In which case can gluten allergy really be a progression of LU LI

illness, and can

the allergic status be amenable to treatment by regularization of Metal.

 

I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch in.

 

Dr. Holmes

CEUS by DVD

www.acu-free.com

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Holmes:

 

Having this very malady, I have worked for a couple years for

solutions.

 

Think about what a food allergy response does. Much liquid is

produced to surround the offending food and transport it out faster

than normal, without full processing, or, if severe/extreme, expel it

ASAP via vomiting. Skin can turn red, generate hives, blisters, etc.

Mind gets fuzzy, weak, memory, etc.

 

Edema and phlegm accumulation can result from failure to reprocess

the liquids summoned for the allergy response. Metal imbalance is

indeed suggested as Metal and KD are both probably taxed hard in

condensing enough liquid for rapid reactive response. LV is supposed

to be guiding the smooth flow of QI and so it is implicated as well.

At heart, it is probably a failure to process nutritive Qi.

 

The LU, KD, LI and LV are most likely being depleted, and the more

depleted, the more overly sensitive and overreactive they can get.

You may notice allergic responses can get worse over time, possibly

as the imbalance and depletion gets worse with each inciting

occasion. Skin and mucuous membranes are where most of this improper

reaction happens, which points fingers at LU and LV.

 

Treatments which turn up internal heat in digestion and tonify Kidney

help. But the simplest help did the most good--just add a teaspoon

of cinnamon to the diet in the morning. Very cheap medicine. It made

a remarkable and nearly immediate difference for me. The stools

straightened out in 48 hours.

 

Find out from your allergy sufferers how many are eating after 9pm at

night when systems should be quieting down, or have 'urges' to eat

around or after 11pm. The timing of eating needs to be controlled as

well.

 

For me SP dampness/phlegm was a related issue along with the LU/LI

problems, but at least the allergy issues are greatly diminished with

cinnamon consumption.

 

Now the remaining problem is wanting to sleep after eating gluten

containing food. So there is still Qi depletion to correct, but the

reverse/perverse Qi with the allergy is not so problematic.

 

 

Chinese Medicine ,

wrote:

> Holmes,

> I have seen gluten allergy run in families, which suggests a genetic

> component as father and one of three sons has the condition

diagnosed later

> in life.

>

> As I recall wheat is cold and notorious for digestion problems.

>

> If it is a genetic weakness could it be a Kidney problem showing

within

> Small Intestine? A problem of sorting the pure form the inpurer?

>

> Grain digestion seems to be a problem amongst many people. I

consider

> bloating and especially flatulence to be signs of fermenting grains

in the

> gut.

>

> One of the contributing factors maybe the use of yeast rather than

sour

> dough bread making. Sour dough bread making actually has the

bacteria

> breaking down the grain to make gas to cause the dough to rise,

where as the

> yeast is feed sugar to make gas and raise the dough.

>

> Is it curable?

>

> I am still open minded. I see some people who are complete

celiaca's since

> birth and others who after 40 appear with more symptoms of grain

digestion

> distress. So perhaps there is that that is genetic and that which

is

> acquired as digestive well being degenerates over time.

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

> holmes [dkaikobad@c...]

> Sunday, 20 March 2005 2:17 AM

> TCMed; TCMAcademics Moderator

> TCM configuration of gluten allergy

>

>

> Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a LV condition

with

> flank

> pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

>

> If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress or regres

along set

> pathways,

> and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing condition,

onewonders

> if it has

> originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI problem, as the

basic

> theater

> to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to LI.

>

> In which case can gluten allergy really be a progression of LU LI

> illness, and can

> the allergic status be amenable to treatment by regularization of

Metal.

>

> I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch in.

>

> Dr. Holmes

> CEUS by DVD

> www.acu-free.com

>

>

> To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link

page,

> http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

> and

adjust

> accordingly.

>

> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside

the group

> requires prior permission from the author.

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other

academics,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Holms

 

This is not exactly relates to your massage. Just a

question, I don’t have an answer to.

Western medicine relates (connects?)

Food allergies,

Airborne allergies (effecting breathing), and

Skin allergies (1) from airborne factor 2) when

touching the allergen); Should we as well?

My sense is not.

Airborne and skin allergies would relate to Lung (what

is the difference?). Food allergies would relate to

Spleen.

 

Would appreciate your comments.

 

Peter Pavolotsky

 

 

 

 

 

--- holmes <dkaikobad wrote:

 

Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a

LV condition with flank

pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

 

If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress

or regres along set

pathways,

and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing

condition, onewonders

if it has

originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI

problem, as the basic

theater

to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to

LI.

 

In which case can gluten allergy really be a

progression of LU LI

illness, and can

the allergic status be amenable to treatment by

regularization of Metal.

 

I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch

in.

 

Dr. Holmes

CEUS by DVD

www.acu-free.com

 

 

To translate this message, copy and paste it into this

web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

 

and adjust accordingly.

 

Messages are the property of the author. Any

duplication outside the group requires prior

permission from the author.

 

If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with

other academics,

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

We should as well take them on common grounds.

Here are the allergies you listed classified by their 5 Elemental

relationship:

 

Allergy type Bowel or viscus Element Polarity

Food allergies ST and LI Earth yang

Airborne allergies LU Metal yin

Skin allergies pores Metal yang

 

Airborne allergen will end up in lung track and enter skin.

Skin borne allergen will end up in pores and enter lung.

 

It's a closed circuit, the deference being the venue of entrance.

In TCM terms LU and Skin are extensions of one another.

 

Food allergies would not relate to SP but to Yangming.

Yangming would be LI above and LI below with LU as Mummy Dear.

 

Here are the Metal connections:

Pores on skin-to-LU-to-LI.

 

Here are the Bowel connections:

ST-to-LI or

LI-to-ST

 

Here are all connections in a rag bag:

Skin-to-LU-to-LI-to-ST or

LI-to-ST-to-LU or

ST-to-skin

 

Here are some scenarios you may run into:

ST-to-LI

food borne allergy examplegluten leading to celiac illness

 

ST-to-Skin

food borne allergen causing hive or urticaria

 

ST-to-LU

food borne allergen causing allergic asthma

 

Skin-to-LU

contact dermatitis leading to asthma.

 

Bunches of combinations.

 

Here's the fun part. If you can establish the route you

can reverse allergies much faster with acupuncture than with

herbs or desensitization or abstinence.

 

Holmes

www.acu-free.com

 

Peter Pavolotsky wrote:

 

>Dr. Holms

>

>This is not exactly relates to your massage. Just a

>question, I don’t have an answer to.

>Western medicine relates (connects?)

>Food allergies,

>Airborne allergies (effecting breathing), and

>Skin allergies (1) from airborne factor 2) when

>touching the allergen); Should we as well?

>My sense is not.

>Airborne and skin allergies would relate to Lung (what

>is the difference?). Food allergies would relate to

>Spleen.

>

>Would appreciate your comments.

>

>Peter Pavolotsky

>

>

>

>

>

>--- holmes <dkaikobad wrote:

>

>Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a

>LV condition with flank

>pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising Heat.

>

>If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress

>or regres along set

>pathways,

>and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing

>condition, onewonders

>if it has

>originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI

>problem, as the basic

>theater

>to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to

>LI.

>

>In which case can gluten allergy really be a

>progression of LU LI

>illness, and can

>the allergic status be amenable to treatment by

>regularization of Metal.

>

>I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch

>in.

>

>Dr. Holmes

>CEUS by DVD

>www.acu-free.com

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Holms

 

Thank you. As always want to get up and take off my

hat.

 

Peter

 

 

 

--- dkakobad <dkaikobad wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

We should as well take them on common grounds.

Here are the allergies you listed classified by their

5 Elemental

relationship:

 

Allergy type Bowel or viscus

Element Polarity

Food allergies ST and LI Earth

yang

Airborne allergies LU Metal

yin

Skin allergies pores Metal

yang

 

Airborne allergen will end up in lung track and enter

skin.

Skin borne allergen will end up in pores and enter

lung.

 

It's a closed circuit, the deference being the venue

of entrance.

In TCM terms LU and Skin are extensions of one

another.

 

Food allergies would not relate to SP but to Yangming.

Yangming would be LI above and LI below with LU as

Mummy Dear.

 

Here are the Metal connections:

Pores on skin-to-LU-to-LI.

 

Here are the Bowel connections:

ST-to-LI or

LI-to-ST

 

Here are all connections in a rag bag:

Skin-to-LU-to-LI-to-ST or

LI-to-ST-to-LU or

ST-to-skin

 

Here are some scenarios you may run into:

ST-to-LI

food borne allergy examplegluten leading to celiac

illness

 

ST-to-Skin

food borne allergen causing hive or urticaria

 

ST-to-LU

food borne allergen causing allergic asthma

 

Skin-to-LU

contact dermatitis leading to asthma.

 

Bunches of combinations.

 

Here's the fun part. If you can establish the route

you

can reverse allergies much faster with acupuncture

than with

herbs or desensitization or abstinence.

 

Holmes

www.acu-free.com

 

Peter Pavolotsky wrote:

 

>Dr. Holms

>

>This is not exactly relates to your massage. Just a

>question, I don’t have an answer to.

>Western medicine relates (connects?)

>Food allergies,

>Airborne allergies (effecting breathing), and

>Skin allergies (1) from airborne factor 2) when

>touching the allergen); Should we as well?

>My sense is not.

>Airborne and skin allergies would relate to Lung

(what

>is the difference?). Food allergies would relate to

>Spleen.

>

>Would appreciate your comments.

>

>Peter Pavolotsky

>

>

>

>

>

>--- holmes <dkaikobad wrote:

>

>Symptoms and signs of gluten allergy often tend to a

>LV condition with flank

>pain, subcostal engorgement, LV Flux with Rising

Heat.

>

>If all 5 Element illnesses are cyclical and progress

>or regres along set

>pathways,

>and as gluten allergy is a gradually progressing

>condition, onewonders

>if it has

>originated from an inherent LU condition, or a LI

>problem, as the basic

>theater

>to work out allergens is the ST, a sister viscus to

>LI.

>

>In which case can gluten allergy really be a

>progression of LU LI

>illness, and can

>the allergic status be amenable to treatment by

>regularization of Metal.

>

>I request all folks who have wisdom in this to pitch

>in.

>

>Dr. Holmes

>CEUS by DVD

>www.acu-free.com

>

>

>

>