Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Recently I have experienced that a couple of patients of mine – with quite different syndrome-differentations - have developed a nervousness towards being needled in PC 6 and only this point. I usually do not needle this point deeply or manipulate the needle strongly... in one of these patients I even inserted it subcutaneously. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen WHRDA Lic. Instruktør Kinesisk Medicinsk Terapeut (KMT) Akupunktør (L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. NADA) TuiNa Massage Terapeut (Exam. TuiNa) Klinik for Akupunktur & Traditionel Kinesisk Medicin Albanigade 23A, Kld. 5000 Odense C Tlf.: (+45) 31 25 92 26 Klinik for Akupunktur & Traditionel Kinesisk Medicin <http://www.orientalskmedicin.dk/> http://www.orientalskmedicin.dk --- Odense Hwa Rang Do® Skole Den koreanske kamp- og lægekunst Hwa Rang Do® <http://hwarangdo.mu-in.com/> http://hwarangdo.mu-in.com --- Dansk Sundhedsservice Totalløsninger til din virksomhed <http://www.dansksundhed.dk/> http://www.dansksundhed.dk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Depth, angle and usage depend on what you want to achieve. For an up-mid burner condition palpate venter of forearm and find a gummy, grainy, softly nodular area which may be as large as a 25 c piece. Make sure this releases some remote trigger, and needle this, does not matter which direction, or on or off the vessel. This pt can migrate, like an errant lover, as much as an inch away. Depth may ideally be 0.2 mm and the needle may even hang loose. Not to stimulate or plug after removal. Keep for 20 mts, remove. No need for moxa. Pretty consistent therapeutic effect. Dr. Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Because of the possibility of strong stimulation of the median nerve, one has to very carefully insert very shallowly beneath the skin after palpating the area and spreading the tendons. Also, I like to use a thin gauge needle, usually a seirin #1 or #3 (34 or 36 gauge in Chinese). On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen wrote: > Recently I have experienced that a couple of patients of mine – with > quite different syndrome-differentations - have developed a > nervousness > towards being needled in PC 6 and only this point. I usually do not > needle this point deeply or manipulate the needle strongly... in one > of > these patients I even inserted it subcutaneously. Any thoughts on > this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hello: The other night my doctor/instructor spoke of needling from PC6 straight through to Waiguan on the external side. In our class discussions of these points, he said the practice is common in China. Has anyone on this list needled both points at the same time with one needle? Regards, Jack --- <zrosenbe wrote: > > Because of the possibility of strong stimulation of > the median nerve, > one has to very carefully insert very shallowly > beneath the skin after > palpating the area and spreading the tendons. Also, > I like to use a > thin gauge needle, usually a seirin #1 or #3 (34 or > 36 gauge in > Chinese). > > > On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen > wrote: > > > Recently I have experienced that a couple of > patients of mine ?with > > quite different syndrome-differentations - have > developed a > > nervousness > > towards being needled in PC 6 and only this > point. I usually do not > > needle this point deeply or manipulate the needle > strongly... in one > > of > > these patients I even inserted it subcutaneously. > Any thoughts on > > this? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Yes Jack, I have needled these points with the " through-and-through " technique. Over some time, I developed a variation of this technique in which I do not needle through the skin on the second point but rather rest the tip of the needle so it does not quite break through the skin. With these two points I needle TH5 and then palpate PC6 and stop the needle when I feel its tip just ready to break through the skin. Needling the " backside " of a point like this can be quite powerful and, especially in the case of PC6, lessen qi loss. I like this technique for such local problems as carpal-tunnel and for a host of emotional problems as well. One thing to be mindful of when needling PC6 in the conventional manner is that it rest between those two tendons and if your patient turns their hand in the slightest, the tendons will cross with the needle between them. The most comfortable position for needling this point then is with the patient seated, resting their forearms on a support (such as a table) in front of them with their palms facing together. If you have a very wide treatment table, you can have them lie on their backs, palms facing their thighs. - Matt Bauer - " Jack Sweeney " <mojavecowboy <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:42 PM Re: Needling PC 6 > > Hello: > > The other night my doctor/instructor spoke of needling > from PC6 straight through to Waiguan on the external > side. In our class discussions of these points, he > said the practice is common in China. > > Has anyone on this list needled both points at the > same time with one needle? > > Regards, Jack > > --- <zrosenbe wrote: > > > > > Because of the possibility of strong stimulation of > > the median nerve, > > one has to very carefully insert very shallowly > > beneath the skin after > > palpating the area and spreading the tendons. Also, > > I like to use a > > thin gauge needle, usually a seirin #1 or #3 (34 or > > 36 gauge in > > Chinese). > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen > > wrote: > > > > > Recently I have experienced that a couple of > > patients of mine ?with > > > quite different syndrome-differentations - have > > developed a > > > nervousness > > > towards being needled in PC 6 and only this > > point. I usually do not > > > needle this point deeply or manipulate the needle > > strongly... in one > > > of > > > these patients I even inserted it subcutaneously. > > Any thoughts on > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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