All chronic problems end in a global Yin Deficiency?

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Hi Toralf, & All,

 

Toralf wrote:

> Hi Phil, One of our colleagues wrote that " All chronic problems end in

> a global Yin Xu (Deficiency) " . How do you feel about that statement?

 

Toralf, because I am not happy with the statement, I am passing this

query to PA-L, PVA-L & TCM List for input from experienced colleagues.

 

Colleagues, what do YOU say?

 

IMO, while Yin Xu is common, and often has a relative Yang SHi / Heat

with it, many chronic diseases may have Yang Xu, Xue Xu or Qi Xu,

Jing Xu, and/or Qi or Xue Stasis, etc.

 

> If that is the case, one should Build Yin in particular, in connection

> with the selection of relevant points when treating chronic

> diseases/ailments. And perhaps add LV13, at the end of the 12th rib in

> dogs,routinely in such cases? LV13 should be a common AP point for all

> the yin meridians. That's what we were taught at the IVAS basic

> course. Sincerely Toralf metveit

 

If the basic assumption is not correct (and, IMO, it is not), then one

should NOT use a routone " Build Yin " approach in all chronic conditions.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

I think the answer depends on the style of acupuncture one follows and at

what depth of understanding of that style one works.

 

I recall in my TCM training one should always drain pathogens before

tonifying. I think the rationale was that otherwise one could drive the

pathogen deeper. So in this approach it would not follow that Yin Xu is the

base of all chronic problems. However, it was also taught that

psycho-emotional injury often predated a physical problem, so depending on

how you would like to classify emotions in general or in specifics this may

change.

 

So far in my Toyohari training, one always tonifies the weakest yin within

the 5 elements. Mostly this is done first although it is quite acceptable

to first treat the excess ie the symptomatic pain that is being presented.

So here one would see Yin Xu as the base of at least the correct treatment,

and then one would look to the Yang aspect.

 

Thus far in my Manaka training, well there is no tonification or draining,

there is only adjustment within one or more of the inter-relationships, that

is within the Eight extras, polar pairs, four sets, single meridians etc. So

the answer here is No.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

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Monday, 14 February 2005 12:27 PM

Toralf Metveit

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All chronic problems end in a global Yin Deficiency?

 

 

Hi Toralf, & All,

 

Toralf wrote:

> Hi Phil, One of our colleagues wrote that " All chronic problems end in

> a global Yin Xu (Deficiency) " . How do you feel about that statement?

 

Toralf, because I am not happy with the statement, I am passing this

query to PA-L, PVA-L & TCM List for input from experienced colleagues.

 

Colleagues, what do YOU say?

 

IMO, while Yin Xu is common, and often has a relative Yang SHi / Heat

with it, many chronic diseases may have Yang Xu, Xue Xu or Qi Xu,

Jing Xu, and/or Qi or Xue Stasis, etc.

 

> If that is the case, one should Build Yin in particular, in connection

> with the selection of relevant points when treating chronic

> diseases/ailments. And perhaps add LV13, at the end of the 12th rib in

> dogs,routinely in such cases? LV13 should be a common AP point for all

> the yin meridians. That's what we were taught at the IVAS basic

> course. Sincerely Toralf metveit

 

If the basic assumption is not correct (and, IMO, it is not), then one

should NOT use a routone " Build Yin " approach in all chronic conditions.

 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

 

Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man

doing it "

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Although Yin Deficiency is common in many chronic problems, it is

definitely not appropriate to state that all chronic problems end in

a global Yin deficiency. Long time of illness will gradually damage

qi, blood,yin and yang of the body no matter how it begins with. The

essence of the body will be ultimately affected. Tonifying yin

sometimes helps in restoring the essence. yet it wont' work in a

patient with chronic yang deficiency.

Best regards!

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> Hi Toralf, & All,

>

> Toralf wrote:

> > Hi Phil, One of our colleagues wrote that " All chronic problems

end in

> > a global Yin Xu (Deficiency) " . How do you feel about that

statement?

>

> Toralf, because I am not happy with the statement, I am passing

this

> query to PA-L, PVA-L & TCM List for input from experienced

colleagues.

>

> Colleagues, what do YOU say?

>

> IMO, while Yin Xu is common, and often has a relative Yang SHi /

Heat

> with it, many chronic diseases may have Yang Xu, Xue Xu or Qi Xu,

> Jing Xu, and/or Qi or Xue Stasis, etc.

>

> > If that is the case, one should Build Yin in particular, in

connection

> > with the selection of relevant points when treating chronic

> > diseases/ailments. And perhaps add LV13, at the end of the 12th

rib in

> > dogs,routinely in such cases? LV13 should be a common AP point

for all

> > the yin meridians. That's what we were taught at the IVAS basic

> > course. Sincerely Toralf metveit@c...

>

> If the basic assumption is not correct (and, IMO, it is not), then

one

> should NOT use a routone " Build Yin " approach in all chronic

conditions.

>

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <@e...>

>

> WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

> WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

> Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not

interrupt man doing it "

>

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