TCM and Cancer

[Guest guest]

Thanks Teresa!

 

I'll check into availability on Sun's book. Have you found it to be of great use???? If so for practitioners???? or patients????

 

It sounds like your fellow grads are doing great things with cancer patients!

 

Dianne

 

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Teresa Hall

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:08 AM

TCM and Cancer

 

Hi Dianne,

 

I have a book that I purchased at PCOM, for reference for one of my herbology classes... I believe yours, Z'ev. The title is Cancer Treatment and Prevention (with TCM) by Dr. Binyan Sun, Offete Enterprises, Inc. San Mateo, CA 94402, 1991. Also, follow this link... a fellow PCOM graduate was recently in the news

 

 

http://www.kfmb.com/healthcast/details.php?storyID=7689

 

ALTERNATIVES HELP EASE BREAST CANCER PAIN

 

In Health,

Teresa

 

Patrick Darcy

Monday, April 29, 2002 6:37 PM

Re: channel entry - gui1 jing1

 

Hi!!!!

 

I'm new to Chinese Herbal Medicine. I'm a Shiatsu practitioner now in my 2nd year of acupuncture school. For practise management class we must present to an organization of our choice. Ours is our local cancer retreat center.

 

This is my first attempt at contacting someone at this site, so forgive me if my request for information is misdirected.

 

What I need: What are great sources, texts, websites etc. for the benefits of for cancer patients and their caregivers/supporters????

 

Thanks to whomever can help out there. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

 

Your exchanges so far have been fascinating and exciting. Thank you for sharing.

 

Dianne Darcy

 

 

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:37 AM

Re: channel entry - gui1 jing1

One of the reasons that Todd opened this discussion, I believe, were conversations we had regarding teaching and testing methods, including state board exams, on both herbal medicine and acumoxatherapy. Some modern texts at best have an accurate CONSENSUS on such aspects as flavor and channel entry. when memorization of the material in one text, usually one approved by a state or national licensing board, is required in a classroom, however, it gives the false impression that this information is fixed and arbitrary, i.e. like a hard science. In fact, as we see in the material in the Great Dictionary of Chinese Medicinals, there is often a differing of qualities of flavor, channel, and even functions of medicinals in the literature. This has been apparent in our discussions here. The same issue applies to acupuncture points and their qualities, locations, depths, and indications. One English language text is chosen, the information given as gospel, and the information is memorized. My experience is that this leads to a rigid, narrow, and incorrect view of Chinese medicine. While certainly some memorization is required, the end result is often that students do not continue to study further after graduation, feeling that the essential material has been covered.As Bob Flaws has pointed out in several articles on his web site, there are often 'off-label' uses of herbal prescriptions that are surprising, but backed by the literature and clinical studies. The same is true with single medicinals. As Xu Da-chun points out in"Yi xue yuan liu lun/Forgotten Traditions of Ancient ": "The functions of medicinals are not one-deimensional. In one particular prescription one takes advantage of one particular ability, in another precription one takes advantage of another ability. As long as one is truly familiar with the actual functions of the medicinals, one will be able to accomodate their application to the chararacteristics of the illnesses, and thus take advantage of the powers of the medicinals."

(Bob Flaws) > In any case, I do think these differences in opinion helpsubstantiate> the clinical necessity of reading the literature widely and not> taking a single statement from a single source as some sort ofgospel> truth.Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dianne and Teresa,

Dr. Sun's book, as far as I can tell, is not presently available.

Bob Flaws and I discussed this on this site a few months ago. I have

not been able to contact Miriam Lee (the publisher) or family members

since she retired a few years ago. I don't know if the text is still in

print, I assume it is not. Bob tried to obtain a Chinese original (the

translation is far from ideal). I'd also like to get one.

 

I should also warn the list that the majority of prescriptions in this

book are not really suitable for practice in the West, as they contain

several toxic ingredients. One would need some specific training, not

to say legal protection to use many of these prescriptions. I used the

text as a reference in my class basically to educate PCOM students on

what one CM oncology expert does with primary care work in mainland

China. We are not really equipped to do primary care of cancer

patients, not having access to TCM inpatient care facilities or advanced

training in TCM oncology.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 09:22 PM, Patrick Darcy wrote:

 

> Thanks Teresa!

>  

> I'll check into availability on Sun's book.   Have you found it to be

> of great use???? If so for practitioners???? or patients????

>  

> It sounds like your fellow grads are doing great things with cancer

> patients!

>  

> Dianne

>

[Guest guest]

I'd also like to get one

>>>Zev i have one if i find it i will gladly give it to you. It is brarried with tones of books i have somewhere

Alon

[Guest guest]

Thank you Z'ev for the invaluable information.

 

Dianne

 

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:27 PM

Re: TCM and Cancer

Dear Dianne and Teresa,Dr. Sun's book, as far as I can tell, is not presently available. Bob Flaws and I discussed this on this site a few months ago. I have not been able to contact Miriam Lee (the publisher) or family members since she retired a few years ago. I don't know if the text is still in print, I assume it is not. Bob tried to obtain a Chinese original (the translation is far from ideal). I'd also like to get one.I should also warn the list that the majority of prescriptions in this book are not really suitable for practice in the West, as they contain several toxic ingredients. One would need some specific training, not to say legal protection to use many of these prescriptions. I used the text as a reference in my class basically to educate PCOM students on what one CM oncology expert does with primary care work in mainland China. We are not really equipped to do primary care of cancer patients, not having access to TCM inpatient care facilities or advanced training in TCM oncology.On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 09:22 PM, Patrick Darcy wrote:

Thanks Teresa! I'll check into availability on Sun's book. Have you found it to be of great use???? If so for practitioners???? or patients???? It sounds like your fellow grads are doing great things with cancer patients! Dianne

[Guest guest]

Alon,

Thanks for the good thoughts. I have an English copy, I'm looking

for a Chinese one if you have it.

 

 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 06:15 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote:

 

>  I'd also like to get one

> >>>Zev i have one if i find it i will gladly give it to you. It is

> brarried with tones of books i have somewhere

> Alon

>

 

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

> healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate

> academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety

> of professional services, including board approved online continuing

> education.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the good thoughts. I have an English copy, I'm looking for a Chinese one if you have it.>>>>Zev I do its a question of finding it. I may have stored it or hopefully did not through it away as i did to many books which I have not used for years. I will try to look for it

Alon

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Alon. It would be most appreciated.

 

 

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 01:46 PM, Alon Marcus wrote:

 

> Thanks for the good thoughts. I have an English copy, I'm looking for a

> Chinese one if you have it.

>

> >>>>Zev I do its a question of finding it. I may have stored it or

> hopefully did not through it away as i did to many books which I have

> not used for years. I will try to look for it

> Alon

>

 

>

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> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

> healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate

> academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety

> of professional services, including board approved online continuing

> education.

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you gentlemen for an interesting thread. I too have a patient

with post surgical and chemo sequale from a condition known as

pseudomyxomaperitonei. It has been described as an endometrosis-like

cancer. The material invaded most of the peritoneum from an original

cyst site on the appendix. As such, the spleen, appendix, lymph and

1/3 of the colon were removed and the cavity perfused with a

chemotherapeutic agent. Long-term prognosis for this condition

according to PubMed is poor.

 

Has anyone encountered this condition? I am concerned that treating

the blood stagnation may dislodge and reactivate the " stuff " (that's

a medical term)that his doctors and the studies suggest remains in

this pattern.

 

Any thoughts shared are appreciated. Jean

[Guest guest]

Jean:

 

You might have a look at this article:

 

http://64.233.187.104/search?

q=cache:JLRPHelX57IJ:www.primeherbs.com/engstore/pdf/jtcm/en21_4/256-

258.pdf+herbal+enema & hl=zh-CN%20target=_blank

 

J Tradit Chin Med. 2001 Dec;21(4):256-8. Related Articles, Links

 

Chinese herbal enema for treatment of tumors at the middle and late

stage.

 

Zhou Y, Sun H.

 

Henan Provincial TCM Hospital, Henan Province 450002.

 

Publication Types:

Case Reports

 

PMID: 12014122 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " harmonydoc2000 "

<harmony@i...> wrote:

>

> Thank you gentlemen for an interesting thread. I too have a

patient

> with post surgical and chemo sequale from a condition known as

> pseudomyxomaperitonei. It has been described as an endometrosis-

like

> cancer. The material invaded most of the peritoneum from an

original

> cyst site on the appendix. As such, the spleen, appendix, lymph

and

> 1/3 of the colon were removed and the cavity perfused with a

> chemotherapeutic agent. Long-term prognosis for this condition

> according to PubMed is poor.

>

> Has anyone encountered this condition? I am concerned that

treating

> the blood stagnation may dislodge and reactivate the " stuff "

(that's

> a medical term)that his doctors and the studies suggest remains in

> this pattern.

>

> Any thoughts shared are appreciated. Jean

[Guest guest]

Dear Jean,

i have treated four cases in the last five years of this particular

type of cancer successfully, meaning, that the incidence of survival

maybe " low " , but these folks are relatively pain free and according to

their respective oncologists, the cancer is in remission. and their

still feeling relatively happy and functional as optimum health can

provide them. however, it took a lot of work. there are two cases

where i wasn't, (or anyone it seems around here in this part of the

USA,) that were unable to help. so it is possible. don't let those

numbers fool you. good place to start with this stuff: think what

meridians are affected? find the angle location and direction of the

of the pseudomyxomaperitonie and how it " travels " -you may find the

pain wandering. that will assist in the direction of where the

presentation is meridian/level in body. hope that helps.

gonzo flores

Chinese Medicine , " harmonydoc2000 "

<harmony@i...> wrote:

>

> Thank you gentlemen for an interesting thread. I too have a patient

> with post surgical and chemo sequale from a condition known as

> pseudomyxomaperitonei. It has been described as an endometrosis-like

> cancer. The material invaded most of the peritoneum from an original

> cyst site on the appendix. As such, the spleen, appendix, lymph and

> 1/3 of the colon were removed and the cavity perfused with a

> chemotherapeutic agent. Long-term prognosis for this condition

> according to PubMed is poor.

>

> Has anyone encountered this condition? I am concerned that treating

> the blood stagnation may dislodge and reactivate the " stuff " (that's

> a medical term)that his doctors and the studies suggest remains in

> this pattern.

>

> Any thoughts shared are appreciated. Jean

[Guest guest]

Hell every one

 

I cross this article

 

 

http://health.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/04/wgene04.xml

 

 

 

Chinese gene therapy offers hope to terminally ill cancer patients

By Adam Luck in Hong Kong

(Filed: 04/07/2004)

 

Terminally ill cancer patients from Europe and America are travelling to

China for treatment with a revolutionary anti-tumour drug - the world's

first officially licensed " gene therapy " .

 

 

 

The Chinese government approved the manufacture and use of the drug at the

end of last year after clinical trials found that it markedly improved the

survival rate for patients with cancer of the head and neck. Doctors are now

extending the treatment, named Gendicine, to patients with lung and stomach

cancer.

 

Injected directly into the tumour, Gendicine works by, in effect,

programming cancer cells to commit suicide. About 400 patients - 20 of them

from abroad - have been treated with the drug in eight-week courses which

cost the equivalent of £1,800.

 

Peng Zhaohui, a medical scientist who helped develop Gendicine, said: " I

believe this revolutionary form of gene therapy represents the future for

treating cancer patients.

 

" There is still a lot of work to be done, but the results have been very

promising so far and - unlike experimental forms of gene therapy attempted

elsewhere - there is no evidence of serious side-effects. We have treated

foreign patients successfully and word is beginning to spread. "

 

Mr Peng has been inundated with requests from overseas, including Britain,

from patients desperate to try Gendicine. Arthur Winiarski, 48, a

Polish-American businessman based in Warsaw, who was diagnosed with squamous

cell carcinoma in his sinuses after a routine medical check-up 18 months

ago, was one of them.

 

After operations, radiotherapy and chemotherapy in Poland, America and

Germany, he was told by doctors at a hospital in Berlin that he had almost

no hope. " They wanted to get rid of me. The only thing they could suggest

was chemotherapy but they and I both knew this does not work with this kind

of cancer, " he said.

 

Then a friend saw a sentence about the new drug on the internet, which

mentioned Mr Peng. Mr Winiarski emailed a short history of his case to the

scientist. To his astonishment, within three hours came a reply: " I think I

will be able to help you. "

 

Still sceptical about his prospects, Mr Winiarski travelled to China and

presented himself to Dr Niu Qi, an oncologist at Beijing's elite Tongren

hospital, in April. He was told he needed surgery as well as the drug

treatment.

 

He said: " They inject the drug into the tumour and it goes bananas: it

invades itself and commits suicide. My tumour was so big - the size of a

fist - that they had to use the drug to shrink it first. "

 

After further doses of Gendicine Mr Winiarski was given the all-clear. He

said: " To have a life like mine, to be a successful businessman, with

everything going well and then all of sudden be told you have months to

live - you cannot understand. This experience has been incredible and you

could not believe the care I have had. I came here in desperation and they

have treated me like a king. "

 

Gendicine works by inserting a gene, called p53, into a virus, which is then

injected into patients. The gene is naturally present in healthy cells but

is " switched off " or mutated in many cancer patients. When reinserted into

tumour cells by the virus, it triggers their self-destruction.

 

Mr Peng's company SiBiono, in Shenzhen, southern China, first tested

Gendicine on head and neck squamous cancers which are relatively common in

China.

 

In a clinical trial 120 patients were treated, some with the drug combined

with radiotherapy, others with radiotherapy alone. All were then monitored

for more than a year.

 

There was complete regression of the tumours in 64 per cent of those given

the drug, three times the rate of those given radiotherapy alone. The only

recorded side-effect was a mild fever.

 

Mr Peng said: " I don't think that there are likely to be any long-term

effects because Gendicine cannot replicate in the patients' cells. "

 

China's State Food and Drug Administration approved use of the drug in

October and SiBiono was granted permission to begin manufacturing it in

February. Prof French Anderson, director of Gene Therapy Laboratories at the

University of Southern California, who is widely regarded as the father of

gene therapy, has given the production plant his approval. He said: " It is

an impressive manufacturing facility. "

 

Prof Anderson said that the adenovirus being used by the Chinese to deliver

the p53 gene to cells had largely been abandoned by Western scientists. He

said, however: " Sometimes simpler is best. "

 

Mr Winiarski's oncologist, Dr Niu, who trained at Harvard, said that his

patient would need to return to China for further checks, but added: " So far

this has been very good and I would be happy to use it with other patients. "

 

Dr Niu said: " I plan to use it for liver cancer and gastric cancer because

p53 is widely mutated in other forms of cancer, not just head and neck. My

colleagues are excited by this and want to try it. "

 

Mr Peng said: " This is no overnight success. It has taken 15 years of

development and several years of clinical trials before we have reached this

stage.

 

" There is still work to be done but we are proud of what we have achieved. "

 

SiBiono has held " preliminary discussions " with Western pharmaceutical

companies about possible manufacture and sale of the drug abroad, where

testing requirements are far stricter.

 

 

 

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" opalveien " <opalveien

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:51 PM

Re: TCM and cancer

 

 

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> Dear Jack,

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> Thank you for your reply. I am interested in reading those books. Is

> it possible for you to post the titles. Have you read anything about

> ovarian cancer?

> Thank you.

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> Dr.Jacobsen

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> Chinese Medicine , Jack Sweeney

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>> TCM can reduce side effects of Western medicines.

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>> Best, Jack

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>> > have in mind,

>> > but first wanted to hear from those who have any

>> > suggestions.

>> > I appreciate your contributions.

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> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group

> requires prior permission from the author.

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics,

>

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[Guest guest]

Sorrry I it's hello

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" opalveien " <opalveien

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:51 PM

Re: TCM and cancer

 

 

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> Dear Jack,

>

> Thank you for your reply. I am interested in reading those books. Is

> it possible for you to post the titles. Have you read anything about

> ovarian cancer?

> Thank you.

>

> Dr.Jacobsen

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , Jack Sweeney

> <mojavecowboy> wrote:

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>> Dr. Jacobsen:

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>> Off the top of my head, I have an English-language

>> book on TCM treatments for lung cancer, and other

>> books on other types of cancers.

>>

>> TCM can reduce side effects of Western medicines.

>>

>> Best, Jack

>>

>> --- opalveien <opalveien> wrote:

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>> >

>> > I am a new memeber. I am a clinical psychologist

>> > with interest in

>> > TCM.

>> > I was wondering if anyone knows of any treatment

>> > that could help

>> > cancer patients. I can tell more about the patient I

>> > have in mind,

>> > but first wanted to hear from those who have any

>> > suggestions.

>> > I appreciate your contributions.

>> >

>> > Dr. Jacobsen

>> >

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>> http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/gzclinic.htm

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> http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

> and adjust

> accordingly.

>

> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group

> requires prior permission from the author.

>

> If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics,

>

>

[Guest guest]

KAL wrote:

> Hell every one

>

> I cross this article

>

>

> http://health.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/04/wgene04.xml

 

Hi Dr. KAL!

 

I presume you meant to say " Hello " . The article is interesting. Thanks

for that.

 

Regards,

 

Pete