Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:51:17 -0800, " " <zrosenbe wrote: >> Clearly the more sophisticated practitioners and teachers of CM, such as Dr. John Shen, Michael Broffman and Jeffrey Yuen use what we can call this 'expanded' framework of Chinese medicine. … The upshot is that there is an almost mathematical relationship between factors contributing to disease and their treatment, and that a successful practice of classical Chinese medicine requires a deep understanding of time, space and quality to develop sophisticated treatment strategies. Dr. Leon Hammer's pulse book and teaching system is testimony to your point on the " mathematical relationship " (I would call it a sort of calculus of diagnosis). Namely his study with Dr. Shen revealed that the Dr. Shen actually used a very logical approach to diagnosis (largely, though not entirely centered on the pulse). Dr. Shen, with his vast experience, could apply his process, however, almost instantaneously. He apparently had something that could be called a " heuristic " system, allowing him to shortcut what for most of us would by a more lengthy logical process, using his accumulated library of elaborated patterns. Dr. Hammer, for pedagogical reasons, insists on a lengthy and comprehensive pulse reading and a multi-dimensional interpretative process. And I believe even advanced students/practitioners of this system largely adhere to that model. By the way, I just got my hands on a book - " in Contemporary China: Plurality and Synthesis " , by Volker Scheid. At first I thought this might be the book you (Z'ev) referred to several months ago, as forthcoming in 2004. But it's publishing date is listed as 2002. Just getting into it, it appears a gold mine of information and perspective. If anyone brought this book up earlier in this forum, I must have missed it. If it's not already passe to most in this forum, I will probably be reporting more on it as I get into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Chris, On Jan 23, 2005, at 1:58 AM, wrote: > > Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:51:17 -0800, " " > <zrosenbe wrote: > > > Dr. Leon Hammer's pulse book and teaching system is testimony to your > point > on the " mathematical relationship " (I would call it a sort of > calculus of > diagnosis). Namely his study with Dr. Shen revealed that the Dr. Shen > actually used a very logical approach to diagnosis (largely, though > not > entirely centered on the pulse). Dr. Shen, with his vast experience, > could > apply his process, however, almost instantaneously. He apparently had > something that could be called a " heuristic " system, allowing him to > shortcut what for most of us would by a more lengthy logical process, > using > his accumulated library of elaborated patterns. Dr. Hammer, for > pedagogical > reasons, insists on a lengthy and comprehensive pulse reading and a > multi-dimensional interpretative process. And I believe even advanced > students/practitioners of this system largely adhere to that model. There are some interesting things in Hammer's pulse book, but I find its usefulness limited by Dr. Hammer's lack of access to Chinese language materials, and the sometimes poor choice of terms to describe pulses in the text. But I know what you are talking about. A lot of the material is more in-depth than anything else in English. > > By the way, I just got my hands on a book - " in > Contemporary China: Plurality and Synthesis " , by Volker Scheid. At > first I > thought this might be the book you (Z'ev) referred to several months > ago, > as forthcoming in 2004. But it's publishing date is listed as 2002. > Just > getting into it, it appears a gold mine of information and > perspective. If > anyone brought this book up earlier in this forum, I must have missed > it. > If it's not already passe to most in this forum, I will probably be > reporting more on it as I get into it. > The Scheid book I am referring to is not this one, which is great, but a new historical text that Eastland Press will be putting out later this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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