ringing in ears, dizziness

[Guest guest]

Very interesting, timely discussion. Thank you Z'ev especially for the

" three factors " summary.

 

I would just note that in such a case, I would find it helpful to know a

more complete history (an extension of factor (2) - duration of the

condition), in terms of evaluating the patient's constitution, elaborated

along the lines of terms like (Dr. John Shen's) " body condition " (factors

of post-natal development), and " life-style " . Also the factor of where is

this person in their life trajectory, and their attitude or relationship to

it. I.e. adding to your (Z'ev's) request for further data: age, family

situation, other aspect of what we might call " position if life " . The idea

being what were the resources (jing) in this patient's life prior to the

surgery, drugs etc. (which themselves certainly impact the jing and

constitution). The implication being to be able to draw on constitutional

strengths and guard vulnerabilities as added perspective to evaluating the

immediate manifestations.

 

Likewise, looking at factor (3) - depth of the condition, elaborating to

consideration of different channel systems. I.e. possibly the Divergent

system viewpoint (involving the lymphatic and hormonal systems) and, of

course, the 8 Extraordinary system, in addition to the primary (post-natal

Qi) channel system.

 

These elements 'extending' the basic framework you sketch are not commonly

elaborated in standard TCM (i.e. our academic education), but from many of

my post-graduate encounters with remarkable practitioners, these themes

have been emphasized and have, at times, proven useful.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris,

Thank you for the feedback. Clearly the more sophisticated

practitioners and teachers of CM, such as Dr. John Shen, Michael

Broffman and Jeffrey Yuen use what we can call this 'expanded'

framework of Chinese medicine. I agree with you 100%, I use all of the

factors you've mentioned below. The upshot is that there is an almost

mathematical relationship between factors contributing to disease and

their treatment, and that a successful practice of classical Chinese

medicine requires a deep understanding of time, space and quality to

develop sophisticated treatment strategies. I would group the factors

such as constitution, stage of life, age, and other resources under

zheng qi/correct qi, so that one could harness one's resources and

utilize them to protect the patient from damage by the evil qi. Then,

one determines treatment in terms of supplementation or attacking the

disease at hand. Even in biomedicine, the treatment of diseases such

as lupus, cancer, and diabetes has to consider the length and stage of

the disease and the strength of the patient.

In order to be successful in our present post-industrial era of

complex/chronic diseases, we need the full range of Chinese medical

theory so that we may develop in-depth treatment of our patients.

 

 

On Jan 21, 2005, at 2:48 AM, wrote:

 

>

> Very interesting, timely discussion. Thank you Z'ev especially for the

> " three factors " summary.

>

> I would just note that in such a case, I would find it helpful to

> know a

> more complete history (an extension of factor (2) - duration of the

> condition), in terms of evaluating the patient's constitution,

> elaborated

> along the lines of terms like (Dr. John Shen's) " body condition "

> (factors

> of post-natal development), and " life-style " . Also the factor of

> where is

> this person in their life trajectory, and their attitude or

> relationship to

> it. I.e. adding to your (Z'ev's) request for further data: age, family

> situation, other aspect of what we might call " position if life " . The

> idea

> being what were the resources (jing) in this patient's life prior to

> the

> surgery, drugs etc. (which themselves certainly impact the jing and

> constitution). The implication being to be able to draw on

> constitutional

> strengths and guard vulnerabilities as added perspective to

> evaluating the

> immediate manifestations.

>

> Likewise, looking at factor (3) - depth of the condition, elaborating

> to

> consideration of different channel systems. I.e. possibly the

> Divergent

> system viewpoint (involving the lymphatic and hormonal systems) and,

> of

> course, the 8 Extraordinary system, in addition to the primary

> (post-natal

> Qi) channel system.

>

> These elements 'extending' the basic framework you sketch are not

> commonly

> elaborated in standard TCM (i.e. our academic education), but from

> many of

> my post-graduate encounters with remarkable practitioners, these

> themes

> have been emphasized and have, at times, proven useful.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wanted to thank Z'ev for his input and second Chris' take on it. - Matt

-

Chinese Medicine

Friday, January 21, 2005 2:48 AM

Re: ringing in ears, dizziness

 

 

 

Very interesting, timely discussion. Thank you Z'ev especially for the

" three factors " summary.

 

I would just note that in such a case, I would find it helpful to know a

more complete history (an extension of factor (2) - duration of the

condition), in terms of evaluating the patient's constitution, elaborated

along the lines of terms like (Dr. John Shen's) " body condition " (factors

of post-natal development), and " life-style " . Also the factor of where is

this person in their life trajectory, and their attitude or relationship to

it. I.e. adding to your (Z'ev's) request for further data: age, family

situation, other aspect of what we might call " position if life " . The idea

being what were the resources (jing) in this patient's life prior to the

surgery, drugs etc. (which themselves certainly impact the jing and

constitution). The implication being to be able to draw on constitutional

strengths and guard vulnerabilities as added perspective to evaluating the

immediate manifestations.

 

Likewise, looking at factor (3) - depth of the condition, elaborating to

consideration of different channel systems. I.e. possibly the Divergent

system viewpoint (involving the lymphatic and hormonal systems) and, of

course, the 8 Extraordinary system, in addition to the primary (post-natal

Qi) channel system.

 

These elements 'extending' the basic framework you sketch are not commonly

elaborated in standard TCM (i.e. our academic education), but from many of

my post-graduate encounters with remarkable practitioners, these themes

have been emphasized and have, at times, proven useful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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