clean needle technique w/out a sink

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Maybe I've been spoiled by my college clinic, but does anyone have

any good suggestionson practicing clean needle technique w/out a

sink in the Tx room? My hands are usuallydry so I'm trying to avoid

subjecting them to an alcohol bath. I am a newly licensed

acupuncturist and I am looking for a place to practice. One clinic

that I looked at had the nearest sink over 50 feet away. At least

the doors were the type that you could open with your elbows. The

landlord mentioned that it would cost $5000 (seemed excessive to me,

but I'm not a plumber) to install one in the room. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Namaste,

-tim.

[Guest guest]

I have the same problem with my clinic.

 

Actually using a hand sanitizer lotion does comply with CNT as long as

your hands are " clean " before hand. If you wash your hands after going

to the bathroom, after directly exposing them to blood or other body

fluids (which you shouldn't do anyway), or other similar exposures, you

can go a whole day just using hand sanitizing lotion before and after

each patient. Some research suggests that these lotions actually

disinfect better than hand washing anyway.

 

I use: http://www.purell.com/products_aloe.htm and it leaves my hands

feeling soft and moisturized even after heavy use. I like the fact that

they use Ethyl Alcohol instead of isopropyl alcohol (seems to cause less

harm to the skin).

 

Don't waste money on a plumber. Many acupuncturist across the country

are in the same boat as us.

 

-Chris

 

 

TJ Eng [tjeng58]

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:03 AM

Chinese Medicine

clean needle technique w/out a sink

 

 

 

Hi,

Maybe I've been spoiled by my college clinic, but does anyone have

any good suggestionson practicing clean needle technique w/out a

sink in the Tx room? My hands are usuallydry so I'm trying to avoid

subjecting them to an alcohol bath. I am a newly licensed

acupuncturist and I am looking for a place to practice. One clinic

that I looked at had the nearest sink over 50 feet away. At least

the doors were the type that you could open with your elbows. The

landlord mentioned that it would cost $5000 (seemed excessive to me,

but I'm not a plumber) to install one in the room. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Namaste,

-tim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In the state of California, State Board regulations require Licensed

Acupuncturist to wash their hands with " soap and warm water " before and between

exams/treatments - so hand sanitizer lotions would not be acceptable in

California. I do not know if any other state has similar regulations. I would

also be interested to see the language in the CNT policy that spells out the

usage of sanitizing lotions. A few years back, the CDC officially approved the

use of such lotions as a substitute for hand washing but they did this only out

of concern that doctors were not washing their hands between patients and it was

hoped that the use of lotions would be met with better compliance. At the time

the story first was publicized about CDC approval, it was stated that the

lotions were not superior to hand washing, but since so many doctors weren't

washing their hands, there was some pressure to make a decision about the use of

lotions. I think this is an issue the acu/OM profession needs to consider in a

comprehensive way. While I have no specific companies to recommend, I understand

that there are such things as " portable sinks " that can be installed for

reasonable rates. I would advise Tim to try to check with his state Board about

any regulations and advise anyone looking for an office to find one that has

hand-washing facilities. -Matt Bauer

 

-

Christopher Vedeler

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 AM

RE: clean needle technique w/out a sink

 

 

 

I have the same problem with my clinic.

 

Actually using a hand sanitizer lotion does comply with CNT as long as

your hands are " clean " before hand. If you wash your hands after going

to the bathroom, after directly exposing them to blood or other body

fluids (which you shouldn't do anyway), or other similar exposures, you

can go a whole day just using hand sanitizing lotion before and after

each patient. Some research suggests that these lotions actually

disinfect better than hand washing anyway.

 

I use: http://www.purell.com/products_aloe.htm and it leaves my hands

feeling soft and moisturized even after heavy use. I like the fact that

they use Ethyl Alcohol instead of isopropyl alcohol (seems to cause less

harm to the skin).

 

Don't waste money on a plumber. Many acupuncturist across the country

are in the same boat as us.

 

-Chris

 

TJ Eng [tjeng58]

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:03 AM

Chinese Medicine

clean needle technique w/out a sink

 

 

 

Hi,

Maybe I've been spoiled by my college clinic, but does anyone have

any good suggestionson practicing clean needle technique w/out a

sink in the Tx room? My hands are usuallydry so I'm trying to avoid

subjecting them to an alcohol bath. I am a newly licensed

acupuncturist and I am looking for a place to practice. One clinic

that I looked at had the nearest sink over 50 feet away. At least

the doors were the type that you could open with your elbows. The

landlord mentioned that it would cost $5000 (seemed excessive to me,

but I'm not a plumber) to install one in the room. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Namaste,

-tim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Matt:

 

I am looking for office space to rent or buy. On the buy decision, I

would have a choice of whether to have sinks in all rooms. Do you

highly recommend this? Of course, this is expensive. I would have a

bathroom sink and a kitchen sink, anyway and 4 tx rooms, maybe 6.

 

Anne

 

Matt Bauer wrote:

 

> I would advise Tim to try to check with his state Board about any

> regulations and advise anyone looking for an office to find one that

> has hand-washing facilities. -Matt Bauer

>

> -

> Christopher Vedeler

> Chinese Medicine

> Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 AM

> RE: clean needle technique w/out a sink

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

 

While it is of course optimal to have a sink in every treatment room, it is not

necessary in my opinion. You really should however, have at least one sink in

addition to the one in the office restroom your patients/employees would use.

This way you will have a sink available when you need it without having to wait

for a patient with irritable bowel syndrome to finish using the facilities. The

least expensive way to add an additional sink is to have it placed on the other

side of the wall of the bathroom sink. Once you wash your hands in this room,

use the paper towel you dry your hands with to open the door of the treatment

room you are going to enter. That way, even though you have washed your hands in

one room and entered through a closed door of another, you never touch anything

after washing other than the paper towel. Matt

-

Anne Crowley

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:18 PM

Re: clean needle technique w/out a sink

 

 

Matt:

 

I am looking for office space to rent or buy. On the buy decision, I

would have a choice of whether to have sinks in all rooms. Do you

highly recommend this? Of course, this is expensive. I would have a

bathroom sink and a kitchen sink, anyway and 4 tx rooms, maybe 6.

 

Anne

 

Matt Bauer wrote:

 

> I would advise Tim to try to check with his state Board about any

> regulations and advise anyone looking for an office to find one that

> has hand-washing facilities. -Matt Bauer

>

> -

> Christopher Vedeler

> Chinese Medicine

> Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 AM

> RE: clean needle technique w/out a sink

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

TJ Eng wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Maybe I've been spoiled by my college clinic, but does anyone have

> any good suggestionson practicing clean needle technique w/out a

> sink in the Tx room? My hands are usuallydry so I'm trying to avoid

 

Hi TJ!

 

I use wet wipes with a little lotion in the formula. Have had no

infections either myself or the patient. Before I did that I had some

days when I just swabbed my hands with alcohol cotton. No trouble with

that either if I used lotion after treatments.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Yes, thanks for your reply.

 

Anne

 

Matt Bauer wrote:

 

> Hi Anne,

>

> While it is of course optimal to have a sink in every treatment room,

> it is not necessary in my opinion. You really should however, have at

> least one sink in addition to the one in the office restroom your

> patients/employees would use. This way you will have a sink available

> when you need it without having to wait for a patient with irritable

> bowel syndrome to finish using the facilities. The least expensive way

> to add an additional sink is to have it placed on the other side of

> the wall of the bathroom sink. Once you wash your hands in this room,

> use the paper towel you dry your hands with to open the door of the

> treatment room you are going to enter. That way, even though you have

> washed your hands in one room and entered through a closed door of

> another, you never touch anything after washing other than the paper

> towel. Matt

> -

> Anne Crowley

> Chinese Medicine

> Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:18 PM

> Re: clean needle technique w/out a sink

>

>

> Matt:

>

> I am looking for office space to rent or buy. On the buy decision, I

> would have a choice of whether to have sinks in all rooms. Do you

> highly recommend this? Of course, this is expensive. I would have a

> bathroom sink and a kitchen sink, anyway and 4 tx rooms, maybe 6.

>

> Anne

>

> Matt Bauer wrote:

>

> > I would advise Tim to try to check with his state Board about any

> > regulations and advise anyone looking for an office to find one that

> > has hand-washing facilities. -Matt Bauer

> >

> > -

> > Christopher Vedeler

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 AM

> > RE: clean needle technique w/out a sink

> >

> >

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