Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 To everyone I am too busy and not experienced enough to take this over, but I am willing to go into some sort of joint venture with at least three other people to run the Chinese Medicine group. One way of doing it would be for one of the four of us (not me) to lead it, decide the policies etc. Then the remaining three (including myself) could do the donkey work; carrying out the policies, doing the moderating etc. Perhaps the three of us could do 2 days each week of moderating (and the list owner *might* be able to do one day). I am unsure exactly how this division of tasks would work in the area of the IT (), but Attilio has told me that a joint venture might work. My thought is that it should be possible to organize four people in this way (allocating roughly two days of moderating to each person). However, if we were to stretch it to seven people (one day of moderating for each person) this might be too difficult to organize - though I'd be willing to consider this. I have another restriction: I can only do the work between 4am and 8am (UK time) as this is the only time I have to myself. Any ideas about this - or any other solutions? David Gordon Attilio wrote:- --------------- " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> Sun Jan 2, 2005 6:07 pm Change of Group Ownership Hi all, Ahh well, it that time when I have to think of pastures new. Over the last two years I've enjoyed running the groups, making them grow and see one in particular, the TCM group, become the largest and most active forum on the internet. But, for the last 6 months or so, I've really lost heart in it all and to be honest, cannot be bothered with the hassle, time and energy needed to run these groups. Often than not, I don't read all the messages properly before editing, approving or disapproving them, because I don't have the time or will to read them, which of course has caused a few problems. I'm not learning that much anymore from the messages and have realised the enormous amount of time the running of the groups takes up. I need to get off this damm computer that's slowly killing me, sort out my clinic, articles in progress and family life. I've refunded the donations made, thank you all, and sorry about the timing, it had nothing to do with the Asian tragedy, I'd been looking at it for some time, had set it up on my personal website before Christmas and just realised how to implement it as a url link. But with financial support, moderator support, cannot change the fact that I've had enough. So, who's gonna run the various groups? Well, of course, those that want to take over ownership of the various groups listed below, will be those that have contributed to the success of these groups, i.e. moderators and active members. Once I've found new owners, I'll remain a silent moderator for a while to make sure the transition is seamless. My decision on who will be the owner will be final and not open to discussion. If no suitable owner is found for any of the 6 groups that I now run, the group will be deleted as any moderator message will still go to me if the group is left unattended and I don't want that. Again, not open to discussion. Below is the list of groups that need a new owner: 1. http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine 2. 3. http://health.TuinaQiGongTaiChi 4. http://groups-beta.google.comAcupuncturist 5. http://groups-beta.google.comChinese_Herbal_Medicine 6. http://groups-beta.google.comChinese Medicine Contact me off list if your interested. Thank you all, its been an experience. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto ===== David Gordon Jun Heng Clinic CMIR Chinese Medical Institute and Register (London) MBRCP Member British Register of Complementary Practitioners (Amma) DCHA Diploma Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture (Acumedic Foundation, Beijing University of and Pharmacology) Diploma Tuina (Academy of Oriental Medicine) Diploma Tao-Yin Oriental Corrective Medicine (Academy of Oriental Medicine) Postgraduate Diploma Chinese (Thames Valley University) Mobile: 07985 278218 Intl: + 44 7985 278218 Email: info Website: http://www.junhengclinic.com Links:- CMIR http://www.chinesemedicine.org.uk BRCP (run by the ICM) http://www.i-c-m.org.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 OK, So I'm wondering, what are the reason it needs to be a moderated list? Why can't someone just be a list owner and the posting aren't reviewed? These are the reasons I can think we need a moderated list: 1) A fair number of postings are so poor they never get posted and the moderator refuses to post them. Is this what currently happens? 2) Things get out of hand and we need someone to police the list. The list owner can do this, or we can self-police. What are the other reasons we need a moderator rather than just an owner? I think I'm missing something big. regards, George On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:37 AM, David Gordon wrote: > > > To everyone > > I am too busy and not experienced enough to take > this over, but I am willing to go into some sort > of joint venture with at least three other people > to run the Chinese Medicine group. > > One way of doing it would be for one of the four > of us (not me) to lead it, decide the policies > etc. Then the remaining three (including myself) > could do the donkey work; carrying out the > policies, doing the moderating etc. Perhaps the > three of us could do 2 days each week of > moderating (and the list owner *might* be able to > do one day). > > I am unsure exactly how this division of tasks > would work in the area of the IT (), but > Attilio has told me that a joint venture might > work. > > My thought is that it should be possible to > organize four people in this way (allocating > roughly two days of moderating to each person). > However, if we were to stretch it to seven people > (one day of moderating for each person) this > might be too difficult to organize - though I'd > be willing to consider this. > > I have another restriction: I can only do the > work between 4am and 8am (UK time) as this is the > only time I have to myself. > > Any ideas about this - or any other solutions? > > David Gordon > > > > Attilio wrote:- > --------------- > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> > > Sun Jan 2, 2005 6:07 pm > Change of Group Ownership > > > > > > Hi all, > > Ahh well, it that time when I have to think of > pastures new. Over the last > two years I've enjoyed running the groups, making > them grow and see one in > particular, the TCM group, become the largest and > most active forum on the > internet. But, for the last 6 months or so, I've > really lost heart in it all > and to be honest, cannot be bothered with the > hassle, time and energy needed > to run these groups. Often than not, I don't read > all the messages properly > before editing, approving or disapproving them, > because I don't have the > time or will to read them, which of course has > caused a few problems. I'm > not learning that much anymore from the messages > and have realised the > enormous amount of time the running of the groups > takes up. I need to get > off this damm computer that's slowly killing me, > sort out my clinic, > articles in progress and family life. I've > refunded the donations made, > thank you all, and sorry about the timing, it had > nothing to do with the > Asian tragedy, I'd been looking at it for some > time, had set it up on my > personal website before Christmas and just > realised how to implement it as a > url link. But with financial support, moderator > support, cannot change the > fact that I've had enough. > > So, who's gonna run the various groups? Well, of > course, those that want to > take over ownership of the various groups listed > below, will be those that > have contributed to the success of these groups, > i.e. moderators and active > members. Once I've found new owners, I'll remain > a silent moderator for a > while to make sure the transition is seamless. My > decision on who will be > the owner will be final and not open to > discussion. If no suitable owner is > found for any of the 6 groups that I now run, the > group will be deleted as > any moderator message will still go to me if the > group is left unattended > and I don't want that. Again, not open to > discussion. > > Below is the list of groups that need a new > owner: > > 1. > http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine > 2. > 3. > http://health.TuinaQiGongTaiChi > 4. > http://groups-beta.google.comAcupuncturist > 5. > http://groups-beta.google.comChinese_Herbal_Medicine > 6. > http://groups-beta.google.comChinese Medicine > > Contact me off list if your interested. > > Thank you all, its been an experience. > > Kind regards > > Attilio D'Alberto > > > ===== > David Gordon > Jun Heng Clinic > > CMIR Chinese Medical Institute and Register (London) > MBRCP Member British Register of Complementary Practitioners (Amma) > DCHA Diploma Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture (Acumedic Foundation, > Beijing University of and Pharmacology) > Diploma Tuina (Academy of Oriental Medicine) > Diploma Tao-Yin Oriental Corrective Medicine (Academy of Oriental > Medicine) > Postgraduate Diploma Chinese (Thames Valley University) > > Mobile: 07985 278218 > Intl: + 44 7985 278218 > Email: info > Website: http://www.junhengclinic.com > > Links:- > CMIR http://www.chinesemedicine.org.uk > BRCP (run by the ICM) http://www.i-c-m.org.uk > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > academics, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/5/2005 4:35:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, gmandler writes: OK, So I'm wondering, what are the reason it needs to be a moderated list? Why can't someone just be a list owner and the posting aren't reviewed? These are the reasons I can think we need a moderated list: 1) A fair number of postings are so poor they never get posted and the moderator refuses to post them. Is this what currently happens? 2) Things get out of hand and we need someone to police the list. The list owner can do this, or we can self-police. What are the other reasons we need a moderator rather than just an owner? I think I'm missing something big. regards, George I am on numerous groups. Some moderated some not. The biggest reason I have seen for groups being moderated is an individual or a small group of individuals consistently take the group away from either the stated purpose or become abusive. These people often produce a large number of posts as others try to " reason " with them. This can really change the feel of an otherwise good group. Because of the watering down of on purpose, interesting posts, good members often leave and the group suffers loss of intellect. In one group, if a member goes outside the normal bounds of the group, then that member is monitored rather than the whole group. That way, the moderator has a much smaller number of mandatory read posts. I have seen several people blocked by the moderator. It does help the feel of the group sometimes. You can set up the browser to funnel particular email address into a special folder to be read before it moves on to the group. This really saves time and aggravation for the moderator and the group. Generally, if the offending members leave or come into line, then moderation is no longer necessary. Until someone else comes along that takes the group into annoying territory. Hope this helps, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 The group was unmoderated for a year and it didn't work, HENCE message moderation. People cannot self police, so not stick my the rules, fact. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com George Mandler [gmandler] 04 January 2005 22:48 Chinese Medicine Re: Change of Group Ownership OK, So I'm wondering, what are the reason it needs to be a moderated list? Why can't someone just be a list owner and the posting aren't reviewed? These are the reasons I can think we need a moderated list: 1) A fair number of postings are so poor they never get posted and the moderator refuses to post them. Is this what currently happens? 2) Things get out of hand and we need someone to police the list. The list owner can do this, or we can self-police. What are the other reasons we need a moderator rather than just an owner? I think I'm missing something big. regards, George On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:37 AM, David Gordon wrote: > > > To everyone > > I am too busy and not experienced enough to take > this over, but I am willing to go into some sort > of joint venture with at least three other people > to run the Chinese Medicine group. > > One way of doing it would be for one of the four > of us (not me) to lead it, decide the policies > etc. Then the remaining three (including myself) > could do the donkey work; carrying out the > policies, doing the moderating etc. Perhaps the > three of us could do 2 days each week of > moderating (and the list owner *might* be able to > do one day). > > I am unsure exactly how this division of tasks > would work in the area of the IT (), but > Attilio has told me that a joint venture might > work. > > My thought is that it should be possible to > organize four people in this way (allocating > roughly two days of moderating to each person). > However, if we were to stretch it to seven people > (one day of moderating for each person) this > might be too difficult to organize - though I'd > be willing to consider this. > > I have another restriction: I can only do the > work between 4am and 8am (UK time) as this is the > only time I have to myself. > > Any ideas about this - or any other solutions? > > David Gordon > > > > Attilio wrote:- > --------------- > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> > > Sun Jan 2, 2005 6:07 pm > Change of Group Ownership > > > > > > Hi all, > > Ahh well, it that time when I have to think of > pastures new. Over the last > two years I've enjoyed running the groups, making > them grow and see one in > particular, the TCM group, become the largest and > most active forum on the > internet. But, for the last 6 months or so, I've > really lost heart in it all > and to be honest, cannot be bothered with the > hassle, time and energy needed > to run these groups. Often than not, I don't read > all the messages properly > before editing, approving or disapproving them, > because I don't have the > time or will to read them, which of course has > caused a few problems. I'm > not learning that much anymore from the messages > and have realised the > enormous amount of time the running of the groups > takes up. I need to get > off this damm computer that's slowly killing me, > sort out my clinic, > articles in progress and family life. I've > refunded the donations made, > thank you all, and sorry about the timing, it had > nothing to do with the > Asian tragedy, I'd been looking at it for some > time, had set it up on my > personal website before Christmas and just > realised how to implement it as a > url link. But with financial support, moderator > support, cannot change the > fact that I've had enough. > > So, who's gonna run the various groups? Well, of > course, those that want to > take over ownership of the various groups listed > below, will be those that > have contributed to the success of these groups, > i.e. moderators and active > members. Once I've found new owners, I'll remain > a silent moderator for a > while to make sure the transition is seamless. My > decision on who will be > the owner will be final and not open to > discussion. If no suitable owner is > found for any of the 6 groups that I now run, the > group will be deleted as > any moderator message will still go to me if the > group is left unattended > and I don't want that. Again, not open to > discussion. > > Below is the list of groups that need a new > owner: > > 1. > http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine > 2. > 3. > http://health.TuinaQiGongTaiChi > 4. > http://groups-beta.google.comAcupuncturist > 5. > http://groups-beta.google.comChinese_Herbal_Medicine > 6. > http://groups-beta.google.comChinese Medicine > > Contact me off list if your interested. > > Thank you all, its been an experience. > > Kind regards > > Attilio D'Alberto > > > ===== > David Gordon > Jun Heng Clinic > > CMIR Chinese Medical Institute and Register (London) > MBRCP Member British Register of Complementary Practitioners (Amma) > DCHA Diploma Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture (Acumedic Foundation, > Beijing University of and Pharmacology) > Diploma Tuina (Academy of Oriental Medicine) > Diploma Tao-Yin Oriental Corrective Medicine (Academy of Oriental > Medicine) > Postgraduate Diploma Chinese (Thames Valley University) > > Mobile: 07985 278218 > Intl: + 44 7985 278218 > Email: info > Website: http://www.junhengclinic.com > > Links:- > CMIR http://www.chinesemedicine.org.uk > BRCP (run by the ICM) http://www.i-c-m.org.uk > > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other > academics, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Alberto and others, could someone perhaps make the uninitiated aware of the tasks that one has to do when one would want to moderate? Obvioulsy reading the messages and deciding whether or not to allow them on the list. Perhaps contact with people from ? What else? Are there conflicts off list (those shouldn't exist!) If people know what to expect they might consider taking up this responsibility. Thanks in advance, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Tom, First of all its D'Alberto not Alberto. It's very rude to get people's names wrong so try and make an effort. Ok, list of what being the owner entails: 1. checking every message to make sure the group's rules are adhered to 2. initiating topics of discussion. 3. rejecting messages and explaining why they are being bounced back to members. Then end up having a ongoing off list discussion as to why it was wrong. 4. checking web links in messages point to information sites only and not commercial. 5. checking new files, polls, pics, etc fall within the group's rules. 6. maintaining bouncing member accounts. Sending out reactivation requests and if not actioned within a certain count, removing them from the list. 7. inviting new members to the group. 8. either accept or decline new membership requests. 9. sometimes asking pending membership requests further details about their qualifications. 10. answering off list topics which include; general complaints, change of email address, email delivery problems, request to post seminars, conferences, new books, etc. So yes, quite a few off list tasks. I think that's about everything. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com verhaeghe_tom [verhaeghe_tom] 05 January 2005 09:56 Chinese Medicine Re: Change of Group Ownership Alberto and others, could someone perhaps make the uninitiated aware of the tasks that one has to do when one would want to moderate? Obvioulsy reading the messages and deciding whether or not to allow them on the list. Perhaps contact with people from ? What else? Are there conflicts off list (those shouldn't exist!) If people know what to expect they might consider taking up this responsibility. Thanks in advance, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Thank you Attilio. Sorry about getting your name wrong, that sometimes happens with all the different languages. Thank you also for all the work you have been doing for the list. It is a lot of work. I hope the group will find a new moderator soon. I think I am too unexperienced to do this work. Regards, Tom. ---- Attilio D'Alberto 01/05/05 18:58:53 Chinese Medicine RE: Change of Group Ownership Tom, First of all its D'Alberto not Alberto. It's very rude to get people's names wrong so try and make an effort. Ok, list of what being the owner entails: 1. checking every message to make sure the group's rules are adhered to 2. initiating topics of discussion. 3. rejecting messages and explaining why they are being bounced back to members. Then end up having a ongoing off list discussion as to why it was wrong. 4. checking web links in messages point to information sites only and not commercial. 5. checking new files, polls, pics, etc fall within the group's rules. 6. maintaining bouncing member accounts. Sending out reactivation requests and if not actioned within a certain count, removing them from the list. 7. inviting new members to the group. 8. either accept or decline new membership requests. 9. sometimes asking pending membership requests further details about their qualifications. 10. answering off list topics which include; general complaints, change of email address, email delivery problems, request to post seminars, conferences, new books, etc. So yes, quite a few off list tasks. I think that's about everything. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com verhaeghe_tom [verhaeghe_tom] 05 January 2005 09:56 Chinese Medicine Re: Change of Group Ownership Alberto and others, could someone perhaps make the uninitiated aware of the tasks that one has to do when one would want to moderate? Obvioulsy reading the messages and deciding whether or not to allow them on the list. Perhaps contact with people from ? What else? Are there conflicts off list (those shouldn't exist!) If people know what to expect they might consider taking up this responsibility. Thanks in advance, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hi David, Wonderfully broken down, I think that can work. I forgot to add one other thing, having to edit most messages and cut out people's overly long signature tags and generated tags. Makes it easier for the daily digest readers to go through it. is very easy to operate, a fool could do it. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM 07786198900 attiliodalberto <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com David Gordon [junhengclinic] 05 January 2005 14:26 Chinese Medicine Change of Group Ownership Attilio and Everyone Attilio, thank you for this very detailed list. Everyone, I would just like to modify the suggestion I made on-list yesterday to have a joint effort in owning and moderating the list. In yesterday's post I suggested each person in the team deal with *all* tasks on certain days of each week. Your list makes it clear to me that certain tasks, because of their ongoing and complex nature, must be done exclusively by one individual. Other tasks can easily be rotated around the team on a daily basis. I would therefore suggest a division of labour like this:- Person 1 (List owner): (a) Ultimate responsibility for all policies for the group. (b) Answering off list topics which include; general complaints, request to post seminars, conferences, new books, etc. Ie everything that falls outside the specific remits of people 2-4 below. © One day per week: 'moderating' (as defined below). Person 2 (Group Development): (a) Initiating topics of discussion. (b) Inviting new members to the group. © Two days per week: 'moderating' (as defined below). Person 3 (Current Membership): (a) Processing change of email address. (b) Email delivery problems. © Maintaining bouncing member accounts. (d) Sending out reactivation requests and if not actioned within a certain count, removing them from the list. (e) Two days per week: 'moderating' (as defined below). Person 4 (New Membership): (a) Either accept or decline new membership requests. (b) Sometimes asking pending membership requests further details about their qualifications. © Two days per week: 'moderating' (as defined below). Definition of 'moderating': (a) Checking every message to make sure the group's rules are adhered to. (b) Rejecting messages and explaining why they are being bounced back to members. Then end up having an ongoing off-list discussion as to why it was wrong. © Checking web links in messages point to information sites only and not commercial. (d) Checking new files, polls, pics, etc fall within the group's rules. The above is of course just a suggestion. I am mega-unsure how a works technically (ie how could different people access the different data streams and ensure that everything gets done by one person and one person alone). That might *drastically* the above scheme. David Gordon Attilio wrote:- ------------ Ok, list of what being the owner entails: 1. checking every message to make sure the group's rules are adhered to 2. initiating topics of discussion. 3. rejecting messages and explaining why they are being bounced back to members. Then end up having a ongoing off list discussion as to why it was wrong. 4. checking web links in messages point to information sites only and not commercial. 5. checking new files, polls, pics, etc fall within the group's rules. 6. maintaining bouncing member accounts. Sending out reactivation requests and if not actioned within a certain count, removing them from the list. 7. inviting new members to the group. 8. either accept or decline new membership requests. 9. sometimes asking pending membership requests further details about their qualifications. 10. answering off list topics which include; general complaints, change of email address, email delivery problems, request to post seminars, conferences, new books, etc. So yes, quite a few off list tasks. I think that's about everything. Kind regards Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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