Vaccination: is there a middle ground?

December 27, 2004

Hi Sharon, & All,

Sharon wrote:

> ... for me inoculations are either safe and effective or dangerous and

> disastrous. I don't think there is a middle ground of 'vaccination of

> high risk group..... " . It is either good science or it is not, IMO.

Shar, IMO, there must be a middle ground. The decision to vaccinate

must be assessed in consultation with the subject(s) on the basis of

risk-benefit analysis.

IMO. if the risk of adverse effects is low, and the possible benefit high,

the decision must be to vaccinate. For example, if one will visit an area

where smallpox exists, IMO it would be foolhardy not to be vaccinated

against smallpox.

The problem is that we (at least I) are/am not expert in immunology. We

may not be in a position to do a well informed risk-benefit analysis.

> And that is what I would like to resolve. Does humoral immune system

> become suppressed if antigen specific system operating? Does this

> lead to autoimmune diseases? Is this reasonable theory, fact or just

> silly science? The idea that to introduce into the blood and avoid the

> gut's immune response, sounds reasonable to me.

Medline has many hits that suggest that vaccination can trigger

autoimmune disease.

> Does inoculations lead to SIDS? Are the high levels of ADD ADHD,

> immune issues, etc in kids result from inoculations? Are kids sicker

> today than previous generations? Sharon

I leave these questions to immunologists. However, there are many hits

on Medline that suggest that vaccines can trigger neurogenic disorders,

including ADD, ADHD, autism, etc.

Also, see this: Yazbak FE, Yazbak K. Live virus vaccination near a

pregnancy: flawed policies, tragic results. Med Hypotheses. 2002

Sep;59(3):283-8. TL Autism Research, West Falmouth, Massachusetts

02574-0770, USA. tlautstudy Vaccination of women with live

virus vaccines around conception has always been contraindicated by

the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the vaccine

manufacturer because of potential risks to the fetus. Nevertheless this

dangerous practice occurs and is associated with maternal health

problems and a very high incidence of early-onset autism in the children.

Postpartum vaccination with live virus vaccines has been recommended

by the CDC, and described as 'convenient' by the vaccine manufacturer.

This 'routine practice' may lead to health and is also associated with

many health and obstetrical problems in the recipient, and is frequently

associated with autism in both current and future children. Re-

vaccination often fails to produce immunity, the very reason for which it

was recommended. Publication Types: Case Reports Review Review,

Tutorial PMID: 12208154 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

December 27, 2004

Phil,

If vaccinating kills or maimes, where is the middle ground? Where is the

EBM? What possible benefit, to avoid a disease that matures the immune

system? Perhaps maimed parties were the benefit, not avoiding disease

process that matures the immune system? Giving toxic metals, how can you

calculate the risk benefit analysis. To poison or not to poison our kids?

Perhaps we should all ready more widely Phil to understand the issue better.

And make the most informed decision we can.

I believe the flu trail was undertaken on terminally ill people, and they

were assessed for adverse reactions for a few days. From this it was

concluded that flu shots are safe and effective.... where is the EBM here

please?

Best wishes

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