Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Hi All, acubeach wrote: > See: webmd.com/content/article/87/99574.htm Norman Kaplan's study is not on Medline yet, so my comments refer only to the data in the URL, above. It said: " Researchers recruited middle-aged volunteers who had normal BP or mild high BP. The average BP at baseline was 135/85 mmHg. The latest expert recommendations define high BP as >/=140/90, while </=120/80 is is considered optimal. BPs between 120-139/80-89 are now termed prehypertension, which indicates the need for lifestyle interventions such as weight loss, increased exercise, and limiting salt in the diet to lower BP before it becomes hypertension " . IMO, Kaplan is biased against AP in that he uses negative terms, like " Acupuncture is heavily TOUTED to treat high BP ... " [ www.healthcentral.com/PrintFormat/ PrintFullText.cfm?id=60854 ] One cannot expect AP to lower BP significantly in NORMOtensive subjects (subjects with normal BP). See: Guo & Ni (references). By definition, a study of AP in NORMOtensive subjects is NOT a study in HYPERtensive subjects! Therefore, from such a study, a conclusion that AP cannot influence hypertension would be invalid. The definition of what is a " NORMAL BP " range is debatable. BPs normally are higher by day than by night. See recent Medline abstracts at the end of this mail. In adults with no history of hypertension, Hayashi et al classify Systolic/Diastolic BPs of 130- 139/85-89 mmHg as " high normal " . As Kaplan's study group had a mean BP of 135/85 mmHg at baseline, one can classify the group as NORMAL to HIGH- NORMAL, therefore invalid for research on hypertension! Best regards, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REFERENCES Guo W, Ni G. The effects of AP on BP in different patients. J Tradit Chin Med. 2003 Mar;23(1):49-50. Zhenjiang Medical College, Zhenjiang 212001, Jiangsu Province. 87 patients with different types of diseases were treated with AP, and the changes of their BP were investigated. The results showed that the total level of systolic pressure in the 87 cases decreased (P < 0.05). Especially, the systolic pressure in patients accompanied with hypertension decreased significantly. It is suggested that when AP is adopted to treat other diseases, it can decrease the systolic pressure to a certain extent in patients accompanied with hypertension, but it does not exert significant influence on both systolic and diastolic pressure in patients with normal BP. Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 12747201 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Marczak BT, Paprocki A. [bP variability on the basis of 24-hour ambulatory BP monitoring in a group of healthy persons - Article in Polish] Przegl Lek. 2001;58(7-8):762-6. Oddzial Chorob Wewnetrznych Wojewodzkiego Szpitala Podkarpackiego im. Jana Pawla II w Krosnie. The aim of our research was to test 24-hour variabilities of BP (BPV) in a group of healty persons. The group consisted of 125 healthy persons (58 men and 67 women) 14-70 years old (mean age 33.8 +/- 14 years). Standard deviation (SD) from average BP and the presence and size of night fall of arterial BP (dippers and non dippers) was tested as parameters of BPLV. Average twenty four hours systolic BP (SBP) in all the group was 119.7 +/- 10.9 mm Hg (123.5 +/- 11.5 mm Hg during the day and 106.2 +/- 12.2 at night). Average twenty-four-hour diastolic blood pressure (DBP) in all group was 71.9 +/- 9.0 mm Hg (74.0 +/- 9.5 during the day, 62.8 +/- 9.3 mm Hg at night). The mean SD of 24- hour SBP was 15.2 +/- 3.5 mm Hg (13.6 +/- for day's hours and 11.2 +/- 4.1 mm Hg at night). The mean SD of 24-hour DBP was 13.0 +/- 2.6 mm Hg (12.1 +/- 2.8 at the day and 9.8 +/- 3.0 at night). There were no correlation between and SBP SD or DBP SD and sex, age of the investigated patients and their membership to dipper and nondipper group. The positive correlation between SBP and and its SD was observed in the group with SBP below 120 mmHg and the same was ascertained in group of people below 40 years of life. Average night fall of SBP was 17.17 +/- 9.42 mm Hg (13.9 +/- 7.4%). Average night fall of DBP was 11.70 +/- 6.91 mmHg (15.7 +/- 8.8%) Nondippers ascertained 28.8% of all group. (32.8% of women and 24.4% of men). Multivariate analysis showed relationship between membership to dipper group and mean diurnal systolic BP (odds ratio 0.93, 95% confidence interval 0.89-0.97, p = 0.02) and between low value of systolic pressure SD during all day monitoring and mean diurnal systolic BP (odds ratio 0.94, 95% confidence interval 0.89-0.99, p = 0.02). Variability of arterial blood pressure is sex, age and mean diurnal pressure related. Parameters of short and long term variability are characterised by large repeatability. Our variability values can be voice in discussion on the norms in analysis of normal BP patients. PMID: 11769383 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Wizner B, Gryglewska B, Gasowski J, Kocemba J, Grodzicki T. Normal BP values as perceived by normotensive and hypertensive subjects. J Hum Hypertens. 2003 Feb;17(2):87-91. Department of Internal Medicine and Gerontology, Jagiellonian University Medical College, 10 Sniadeckich Street, 31-531 Krakow, Poland. In spite of considerable progress, the control of hypertension in most countries is still insufficient. One of the reasons may be the poor awareness of the BP (BP) cutoff values that define hypertension. The aim of this report is to verify the hypothesis that patients with hypertension accept higher BP levels as normal. The study was performed during a street-based BP screening project carried out across Poland, in summer 1997. In 444 persons who voluntarily participated in Cracow's part of the project, BP was taken on the left arm, in the sitting position, after a minimum of 5 min of rest, using a semiautomated device (Digital BP UA-702). A questionnaire investigated participants' age, weight, height, level of education, history of hypertension and perception of normal values of BP. We compared measured BP values with those perceived as normal, and with the values recommended by WHO/ISH guidelines (<140/90 mmHg). To analyse the data we used Student's t-test and linear regression with adjustment for age and body mass index (BMI). Hypertensive subjects, compared with normotensives, were less aware of normal BP values (47.4 vs 83.9%, P<0.001, for systotic BP, and 77.4 vs 88.4%, P<0.01, for diastotic blood pressure). Measured BP was positively related to BP values stated as normal. A similar relation was observed for age and BMI. In conclusion, poor awareness of normal BP values in hypertensives can be an important factor hindering better BP control. Education strategies might prove to be highly effective in helping to tackle the epidemics of hypertension. PMID: 12574785 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Brown MA, Davis GK, McHugh L. The prevalence and clinical significance of nocturnal hypertension in pregnancy. J Hypertens. 2001 Aug;19(8):1437-44. Department of Medicine, St George Hospital, University of New South Wales, Kogarah, Sydney, Australia. mbrown OBJECTIVE: To determine (a) the prevalence of hypertension during sleep in pre-eclampsia and gestational hypertension, and (b) whether women with hypertension during sleep have worse pregnancy outcomes than hypertensive pregnant women with controlled (normal) BP (BP) during sleep. DESIGN: Prospective double-blind cohort study. SETTING: Inpatients and outpatients managed in a day assessment unit (DAU) at St George Hospital, Sydney, Australia. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 186 hypertensive pregnant women, 158 of whom had successful 24 h BP monitoring; 40% had proteinuric pre-eclampsia (PE), 43% gestational hypertension (GH) and 17% essential hypertension (EH). INTERVENTIONS: BP, 24 h non-invasive, monitoring (Spacelabs 90207) was undertaken successfully in 158 women with PE, GH or EH, whether or not they were receiving antihypertensives. Women and clinicians were blinded to results of these BP monitors. Sleep hypertension was defined as BP > 117/68 mmHg at 26-30 weeks or > 123/72 mmHg after 30 weeks gestation. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Maternal and fetal outcomes were compared between women with and without sleep hypertension and the prevalence of sleep hypertension was determined. RESULTS: Sleep hypertension was present in 59%, more commonly in PE (79%) than GH/EH (45%), P < 0.0001. Sleep hypertensives also had higher routine sphygmomanometer BPs [137(10)/91(7) mmHg; mean(SD)] than women with normal sleep BP [130(12)/ 87(8) mmHg] P = 0.007, and higher awake ambulatory BP monitoring (ABPM) BPs [137(8)/88(7) versus 127(7)/79(6) mmHg], P < 0.0001. Awake, but not sleep, average heart rate was lower in sleep hypertensives [85(11) versus 91 (10) beats per minute, bpm], P = 0.002. Sleep hypertensives had a significantly greater frequency of renal insufficiency, liver dysfunction, thrombocytopenia and episodes of (awake) severe hypertension (P < 0.05), as well as lower birth weight babies [2715 (808) versus 3224(598) g, P < 0.0001]. CONCLUSIONS: Hypertension during sleep is a common finding in women with hypertensive disorders of pregnancy, particularly pre-eclampsia. These women also have higher awake BPs and a greater frequency of adverse maternal and fetal outcomes. These findings are largely explained by the greater likelihood of pre-eclamptics having sleep hypertension. PMID: 11518852 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Does Kaplan or other researchers report on any consideration given to the influence or effects of " ambulatory blood pressure monitors " on blood pressure, or any other aspects of experimentation? (See Ted Kaptchuk's article " Do medical devices have placebo effect? " ) This study reminds me of the recent bashing of Ginseng, based on supposed evidence that is interferes with the action of warfarin (Coumadin) in normal, young healthy subjects. Duh -- Ginseng is an adaptogen, and helps such subjects maintain homeostasis in the presence of 'rat-poison'. Some very good scientific work vis-a-vis ATx is beginning to appear. E.g. the big British study published earlier this year, on migraine treatment. Good in terms of comprehensively addressing a wide range issues of internal and external validity. Kaptchuk et al also did a showcase preliminary study of the use of magnets for knee pain, which focuses on methdological thoroughness. Good CAM / A/OM research is exercising the inherent aspect of Western science that it continuously and self-critically refines it's own methodology. We should push that to influence more refinement (and intellectual honesty) in science in its own (WM) turf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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