Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Hi All, & Ross, Ross Rosen wrote: > Severe shock dramatically depletes HT Yin. It is a good idea to > treat w Sheng Mai San (using Xiyangshen instead of Renshen) plus > modifications, i.e., Ziheche, Longgu, Muli, Fuxiaomai, etc. Ross, I have no quibble with use of Blood Movers (maybe with some herbs to Open Orifices, Calm Shen and Build HT, KI and LU Yin) in severe shock. However, I balk at the use of Ziheche [human placenta]. Apart from any moral / religious taboos on ingestion of human tissues, I would have serious objection to use of placenta in herbal medicine because: 1. Most Ziheche comes from China, where abortion is encouraged (if not enforced in many cases). The idea of eating (or prescribing) material that might be derived from aborted babies revolts me. 2. Unless the sourcing, processing and quality control is extremely careful, the use of any human tissue in medicine (be it blood transfusion, tissue grafts, antibodies, hormones, etc) carries a risk of cross-infection with a host of viral, bacterial and protozoal diseases, not to mention transmissible encephalopathies. [Vertical transmission of BSE in some animal spp. is documented] Having heard the story of the poor hygiene in the factory that makes Huato needles (workers in dirty overalls sharpening the needles by hand), I shudder at the thought of how planentas might be handled. 3. Is the use of Ziheche not banned in many countries? Best regards, Phil PS. Can the Huato needle story be true? Until now, they have been my favourite needles! Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 ---- 12/18/04 10:49:25 traditional_Chinese_Medicine Re: Sheng Mai San in Severe Shock PS. Can the Huato needle story be true? Until now, they have been my favourite needles! (Tom) I've sent an email to the Jing Ming TCM school (Belgium) to ask if someone has any pictures of the factory. But I'm not lying, why would I? We were there with a group of 15 I guess. I could ask a colleague who was there to confirm the story, if you like. People that have lived in China would not frown upon this, I guess. Maybe the needles are sharp and easy to use. They re famous enough. But they're probably not standardized, is all I'm saying. And the factory is not clean. We didn't get to see how they clean and sterilize the needles, but I'm sure they do. I hope! The factory is open for visitors. Here's a picture of the factory on their website: http://www hwato-med.com/4e.htm. It doesn't look too fab on the outside, well it isn't on the inside as well. There seemed to be a cluster of factories that shared the same buildings, it was quite complicated to go from one hall to another. Pretty industrial, and the Chinese version of that. I hope I won't get spammed by Hwato now for criticising them! Although it's only a fair observation, wouldn't you agree? There's many things I like about China, but cleanliness is not one of them. Luckily standards are improving. But it will take some more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 I understood that the Zi He Che was sterilized. David Tarlo, L.Ac. d1tarlo --- < wrote: > Hi All, & Ross, > > Ross Rosen wrote: > > Severe shock dramatically depletes HT Yin. It is a > good idea to > > treat w Sheng Mai San (using Xiyangshen instead of > Renshen) plus > > modifications, i.e., Ziheche, Longgu, Muli, > Fuxiaomai, etc. > > Ross, I have no quibble with use of Blood Movers > (maybe with > some herbs to Open Orifices, Calm Shen and Build HT, > KI and LU > Yin) in severe shock. > > However, I balk at the use of Ziheche [human > placenta]. > > Apart from any moral / religious taboos on ingestion > of human > tissues, I would have serious objection to use of > placenta in herbal > medicine because: > > 1. Most Ziheche comes from China, where abortion is > encouraged > (if not enforced in many cases). The idea of eating > (or prescribing) > material that might be derived from aborted babies > revolts me. > > 2. Unless the sourcing, processing and quality > control is extremely > careful, the use of any human tissue in medicine (be > it blood > transfusion, tissue grafts, antibodies, hormones, > etc) carries a risk > of cross-infection with a host of viral, bacterial > and protozoal > diseases, not to mention transmissible > encephalopathies. > [Vertical transmission of BSE in some animal spp. is > documented] > > Having heard the story of the poor hygiene in the > factory that > makes Huato needles (workers in dirty overalls > sharpening the > needles by hand), I shudder at the thought of how > planentas might > be handled. > > 3. Is the use of Ziheche not banned in many > countries? > > Best regards, > Phil > > PS. Can the Huato needle story be true? Until now, > they have been > my favourite needles! > > Best regards, > > Email: < > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, > Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > WWW : > http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, > should not interrupt man doing it " > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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