Poisons are detected in some herbal medicines

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

Taken from: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

 

Research from Boston University and Harvard Medical school has

claimed that many herbal medicines freely available over the counter

could be contaminated with poisons. In March this year, the Medicines

and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency claimed that a patient who

had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid arthritis later

developed lead poisoning. The report, which was published in the

Journal of the American Medical Association found that taking the

Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu - exposed a patient

to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily limit for lead, and

1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic. Since 2000, the MHRA

has received 405 reports of abreactions to herbal treatments, with

about a third of them considered serious.

 

 

Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal medicine' are used, when

actually is was associated with Ayuvedic medicine. This grouping of

folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when something like this is

reported. Journalism should be more ethical in their approach and

categorisation of the different types of herbal, folk medicine.

[Guest guest]

Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat that others will

continue to bring up as to why we need to be prevented from using them.

This is a form of distraction and takes the heat off the regulators and

pharmaceutical companies, who make things that kill large numbers of people.

That hypocrisy seems to be OK. When we read articles like these we should

respond professionally both to show concern for public safety as well as to

inform public that drugs still cause much more serious health problems.

Let's see where did I put my Vioxx?

Later

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " " <attiliodalberto

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

> Poisons are detected in some herbal medicines

>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:47 -0000

>

>

>Hi all,

>

>Taken from: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

>

>Research from Boston University and Harvard Medical school has

>claimed that many herbal medicines freely available over the counter

>could be contaminated with poisons. In March this year, the Medicines

>and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency claimed that a patient who

>had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid arthritis later

>developed lead poisoning. The report, which was published in the

>Journal of the American Medical Association found that taking the

>Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu - exposed a patient

>to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily limit for lead, and

>1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic. Since 2000, the MHRA

>has received 405 reports of abreactions to herbal treatments, with

>about a third of them considered serious.

>

>

>Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal medicine' are used, when

>actually is was associated with Ayuvedic medicine. This grouping of

>folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when something like this is

>reported. Journalism should be more ethical in their approach and

>categorisation of the different types of herbal, folk medicine.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

NO ONE on this planet is a bigger bootlicker to power

than Harvard University. Anytime anyone in power wants

the public to be lulled into complacency, or convinced

of the biggest baloney stories about ANYTHING, the

powers-that-be call on Harvard to publish a " study, "

then load it with signatures of plenty of credentialed

" experts " after the title.

John Garbarini

PS- My family has its share of " Ivy Leaguers. "

--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

>

> Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat

> that others will

> continue to bring up as to why we need to be

> prevented from using them.

> This is a form of distraction and takes the heat off

> the regulators and

> pharmaceutical companies, who make things that kill

> large numbers of people.

> That hypocrisy seems to be OK. When we read

> articles like these we should

> respond professionally both to show concern for

> public safety as well as to

> inform public that drugs still cause much more

> serious health problems.

> Let's see where did I put my Vioxx?

> Later

> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

> > " "

> <attiliodalberto

> >

> Chinese Medicine

> >Chinese Medicine

> > Poisons are detected in some herbal

> medicines

> >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:47 -0000

> >

> >

> >Hi all,

> >

> >Taken from:

>

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

> >

> >Research from Boston University and Harvard Medical

> school has

> >claimed that many herbal medicines freely available

> over the counter

> >could be contaminated with poisons. In March this

> year, the Medicines

> >and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency claimed

> that a patient who

> >had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid

> arthritis later

> >developed lead poisoning. The report, which was

> published in the

> >Journal of the American Medical Association found

> that taking the

> >Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu -

> exposed a patient

> >to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily

> limit for lead, and

> >1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic.

> Since 2000, the MHRA

> >has received 405 reports of abreactions to herbal

> treatments, with

> >about a third of them considered serious.

> >

> >

> >Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal medicine'

> are used, when

> >actually is was associated with Ayuvedic medicine.

> This grouping of

> >folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when

> something like this is

> >reported. Journalism should be more ethical in

> their approach and

> >categorisation of the different types of herbal,

> folk medicine.

[Guest guest]

And to this I would add, how do they defend mercury in vaccines? They need

to clean up their own issues before they come after any others. The

internet is a place and a means of putting out the messages that we want

people to know. Let's us it more. During the last election cycle info for

stories also came from blogs and other forums on the net. Go, go, go.

Later

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

>John Garbarini <johnlg_2000

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>RE: Poisons are detected in some herbal medicines

>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:58:04 -0800 (PST)

>

>

>NO ONE on this planet is a bigger bootlicker to power

>than Harvard University. Anytime anyone in power wants

>the public to be lulled into complacency, or convinced

>of the biggest baloney stories about ANYTHING, the

>powers-that-be call on Harvard to publish a " study, "

>then load it with signatures of plenty of credentialed

> " experts " after the title.

> John Garbarini

>PS- My family has its share of " Ivy Leaguers. "

>--- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

> >

> > Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat

> > that others will

> > continue to bring up as to why we need to be

> > prevented from using them.

> > This is a form of distraction and takes the heat off

> > the regulators and

> > pharmaceutical companies, who make things that kill

> > large numbers of people.

> > That hypocrisy seems to be OK. When we read

> > articles like these we should

> > respond professionally both to show concern for

> > public safety as well as to

> > inform public that drugs still cause much more

> > serious health problems.

> > Let's see where did I put my Vioxx?

> > Later

> > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> >

> > > " "

> > <attiliodalberto

> > >

> > Chinese Medicine

> > >Chinese Medicine

> > > Poisons are detected in some herbal

> > medicines

> > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:47 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Taken from:

> >

>http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

> > >

> > >Research from Boston University and Harvard Medical

> > school has

> > >claimed that many herbal medicines freely available

> > over the counter

> > >could be contaminated with poisons. In March this

> > year, the Medicines

> > >and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency claimed

> > that a patient who

> > >had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid

> > arthritis later

> > >developed lead poisoning. The report, which was

> > published in the

> > >Journal of the American Medical Association found

> > that taking the

> > >Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu -

> > exposed a patient

> > >to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily

> > limit for lead, and

> > >1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic.

> > Since 2000, the MHRA

> > >has received 405 reports of abreactions to herbal

> > treatments, with

> > >about a third of them considered serious.

> > >

> > >

> > >Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal medicine'

> > are used, when

> > >actually is was associated with Ayuvedic medicine.

> > This grouping of

> > >folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when

> > something like this is

> > >reported. Journalism should be more ethical in

> > their approach and

> > >categorisation of the different types of herbal,

> > folk medicine.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:58 PM, John Garbarini wrote:

> NO ONE on this planet is a bigger bootlicker to power

> than Harvard University.

 

What is most interesting is that this study came from proponents of

CAM. It came from the Osher Institute at Harvard, which is certainly

doing a fair amount of research in CM in conjunction with the New

England School of Acupuncture. One of the names what none other than

David Eisenberg who had co-authored many papers with Ted Kaptchuk.

 

Heavy metals is something that concerns me and I don't feel that this

report was meant to bad mouth herbal medicine. It only looked at

Ayurvedic medicines and unfortunately the media doesn't differentiate

between Ayurvedic medicine and GMP Chinese herbs. My feeling is that

this study was on the up and up just trying to determine if people are

ingesting toxic levels of metals. It is the fallout of the media spin

where there is a problem.

It would be great if Eisenberg & co. would look at chinese herbs and

run the same tests. Seems like that is what we need, because then if

we are ingesting heavy metals there is a problem, if not then the media

can report that.

 

Now on the topic of heavy metals it is what the metal is bound to that

matters. When they do these spectroscopy tests they can only determine

the presence of the metal, not what it is bound to. For example

methyl-mercury is what is poisonous and found in fish etc, however if

it is a mercury salt it probably won't be absorbed and is a passed out

the feces. But the spectroscopy cannot differentiate between

methyl-mercury and a salt form and I'm surprised it wasn't talked

about. So either they felt it wasn't important or I'm wrong and need

to pull out my biochem books.

 

 

my $.02

 

--george

 

 

 

> Anytime anyone in power wants

> the public to be lulled into complacency, or convinced

> of the biggest baloney stories about ANYTHING, the

> powers-that-be call on Harvard to publish a " study, "

> then load it with signatures of plenty of credentialed

> " experts " after the title.

> John Garbarini

> PS- My family has its share of " Ivy Leaguers. "

> --- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

>>

>> Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat

>> that others will

>> continue to bring up as to why we need to be

>> prevented from using them.

>> This is a form of distraction and takes the heat off

>> the regulators and

>> pharmaceutical companies, who make things that kill

>> large numbers of people.

>> That hypocrisy seems to be OK. When we read

>> articles like these we should

>> respond professionally both to show concern for

>> public safety as well as to

>> inform public that drugs still cause much more

>> serious health problems.

>> Let's see where did I put my Vioxx?

>> Later

>> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>>

>>> " "

>> <attiliodalberto

>>>

>> Chinese Medicine

>>> Chinese Medicine

>>> Poisons are detected in some herbal

>> medicines

>>> Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:47 -0000

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> Taken from:

>>

> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

>>>

>>> Research from Boston University and Harvard Medical

>> school has

>>> claimed that many herbal medicines freely available

>> over the counter

>>> could be contaminated with poisons. In March this

>> year, the Medicines

>>> and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency claimed

>> that a patient who

>>> had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid

>> arthritis later

>>> developed lead poisoning. The report, which was

>> published in the

>>> Journal of the American Medical Association found

>> that taking the

>>> Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu -

>> exposed a patient

>>> to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily

>> limit for lead, and

>>> 1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic.

>> Since 2000, the MHRA

>>> has received 405 reports of abreactions to herbal

>> treatments, with

>>> about a third of them considered serious.

>>>

>>>

>>> Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal medicine'

>> are used, when

>>> actually is was associated with Ayuvedic medicine.

>> This grouping of

>>> folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when

>> something like this is

>>> reported. Journalism should be more ethical in

>> their approach and

>>> categorisation of the different types of herbal,

>> folk medicine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to this group. I am with Shenzhen Qianrenren

Sci. & Tech. Developing Co., Ltd. We actually work on

botanical based drug development.

 

The above mentioned news and the discussion within the

group are quite interesting. I wonder if anyone know

how much daily limit for lead, mercury and arsenic or

total heavy metals are; and what the grounds or

rationals are for such limitation. Thanks!

 

Renjing

--- George Mandler <gmandler wrote:

 

>

> On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:58 PM, John Garbarini wrote:

> > NO ONE on this planet is a bigger bootlicker to

> power

> > than Harvard University.

>

> What is most interesting is that this study came

> from proponents of

> CAM. It came from the Osher Institute at Harvard,

> which is certainly

> doing a fair amount of research in CM in conjunction

> with the New

> England School of Acupuncture. One of the names

> what none other than

> David Eisenberg who had co-authored many papers with

> Ted Kaptchuk.

>

> Heavy metals is something that concerns me and I

> don't feel that this

> report was meant to bad mouth herbal medicine. It

> only looked at

> Ayurvedic medicines and unfortunately the media

> doesn't differentiate

> between Ayurvedic medicine and GMP Chinese herbs.

> My feeling is that

> this study was on the up and up just trying to

> determine if people are

> ingesting toxic levels of metals. It is the

> fallout of the media spin

> where there is a problem.

> It would be great if Eisenberg & co. would look at

> chinese herbs and

> run the same tests. Seems like that is what we

> need, because then if

> we are ingesting heavy metals there is a problem, if

> not then the media

> can report that.

>

> Now on the topic of heavy metals it is what the

> metal is bound to that

> matters. When they do these spectroscopy tests they

> can only determine

> the presence of the metal, not what it is bound to.

> For example

> methyl-mercury is what is poisonous and found in

> fish etc, however if

> it is a mercury salt it probably won't be absorbed

> and is a passed out

> the feces. But the spectroscopy cannot

> differentiate between

> methyl-mercury and a salt form and I'm surprised it

> wasn't talked

> about. So either they felt it wasn't important or

> I'm wrong and need

> to pull out my biochem books.

>

>

> my $.02

>

> --george

>

>

>

> > Anytime anyone in power wants

> > the public to be lulled into complacency, or

> convinced

> > of the biggest baloney stories about ANYTHING, the

> > powers-that-be call on Harvard to publish a

> " study, "

> > then load it with signatures of plenty of

> credentialed

> > " experts " after the title.

> > John Garbarini

> > PS- My family has its share of " Ivy Leaguers. "

> > --- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a

> threat

> >> that others will

> >> continue to bring up as to why we need to be

> >> prevented from using them.

> >> This is a form of distraction and takes the heat

> off

> >> the regulators and

> >> pharmaceutical companies, who make things that

> kill

> >> large numbers of people.

> >> That hypocrisy seems to be OK. When we read

> >> articles like these we should

> >> respond professionally both to show concern for

> >> public safety as well as to

> >> inform public that drugs still cause much more

> >> serious health problems.

> >> Let's see where did I put my Vioxx?

> >> Later

> >> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> >>

> >>> " "

> >> <attiliodalberto

> >>>

> >> Chinese Medicine

> >>> Chinese Medicine

> >>> Poisons are detected in some

> herbal

> >> medicines

> >>> Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:47 -0000

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Hi all,

> >>>

> >>> Taken from:

> >>

> >

>

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/uknews/news20041215.shtml#2

> >>>

> >>> Research from Boston University and Harvard

> Medical

> >> school has

> >>> claimed that many herbal medicines freely

> available

> >> over the counter

> >>> could be contaminated with poisons. In March

> this

> >> year, the Medicines

> >>> and Healthcare Products Regulation Agency

> claimed

> >> that a patient who

> >>> had taken Ayurvedic medicine to treat rheumatoid

> >> arthritis later

> >>> developed lead poisoning. The report, which was

> >> published in the

> >>> Journal of the American Medical Association

> found

> >> that taking the

> >>> Ayurvedic treatment - called Muhayogaraj Guggulu

> -

> >> exposed a patient

> >>> to at least 10,000 times the recommended daily

> >> limit for lead, and

> >>> 1,000 times the limit for mercury and arsenic.

> >> Since 2000, the MHRA

> >>> has received 405 reports of abreactions to

> herbal

> >> treatments, with

> >>> about a third of them considered serious.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Attilio: I love the way the words 'herbal

> medicine'

> >> are used, when

> >>> actually is was associated with Ayuvedic

> medicine.

> >> This grouping of

> >>> folk medicines, gives us all a bad name when

> >> something like this is

> >>> reported. Journalism should be more ethical in

> >> their approach and

> >>> categorisation of the different types of herbal,

> >> folk medicine.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

mike Bowser wrote:

>

> Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat that others will

 

Hi Mike!

 

The new Fratkin book notes metal and other contamination in Chinese

Herbal patents where this is found, and beyond this comments on the

significance of the contamination according to the *amount* found. The

GMP patents generally contained no contaminants at all.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

What's the title of the book? Later

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

>Pete Theisen <petet

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Poisons are detected in some herbal medicines

>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:56:38 -0500

>

>

>mike Bowser wrote:

> >

> > Herbal standards are still lacking and pose a threat that others will

>

>Hi Mike!

>

>The new Fratkin book notes metal and other contamination in Chinese

>Herbal patents where this is found, and beyond this comments on the

>significance of the contamination according to the *amount* found. The

>GMP patents generally contained no contaminants at all.

>

>Regards,

>

>Pete

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

mike Bowser wrote:

>

> What's the title of the book? Later

 

Hi Mike!

 

Chinese Herbal Patent Medicines: The Clinical Desk Reference. Jake Paul

Fratkin, 2001 ISBN 0-9626078-4-3; Shya Publications, 7764 Jade Court,

Boulder CO 80303 USA.

 

<www.ShyaPublications.com>

 

Regards,

 

Pete