Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 In a message dated 12/13/04 11:21:31 AM, Chinese Medicine writes: << Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients the best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 (blues) for sensitive patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I have used them since the beginning of my practice. I have never seen a patient have a problem allergic or otherwise with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big problem for me after working in China and visiting factories!) robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Robbe: Do your patients have any problems with the #5. I use #3's mostly but often use #2 and #1 for my sensitive patients. I have some 5's on hand but never us > I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 (blues) for sensitive > patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I have used them since the > beginning of > my practice. I have never seen a patient have a problem allergic or > otherwise > with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big problem for me after > working > in China and visiting factories!) > robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I would like to share a new company which makes needles without silicon coating, Acuglide. Helio and others import them to the states. They work well and I have found no difference to Seirin, except for the coating. Silicon can be problematic (studies with some survivors of breast implants) to our immunity. There was a published case in Japan that showed a woman reacting to both acu and hypodermic needles. They found silicon in her WBC's. Since most companies coat their needles we should be aware that some people may have immunological reactions to such. There is a liability issue here, just to make us all aware. Using Acuglides or other non-coated needles could be an alternative. Later Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >TashiDelay >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 791 >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:02:35 EST > > > >In a message dated 12/13/04 11:21:31 AM, >Chinese Medicine writes: > ><< Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior >quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients the >best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. > > > > > >I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 (blues) for sensitive >patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I have used them since the >beginning of >my practice. I have never seen a patient have a problem allergic or >otherwise >with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big problem for me after >working >in China and visiting factories!) >robbee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use Millennia needles.) Jody Herriott, L.Ac. On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:27 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > > I would like to share a new company which makes needles without > silicon > coating, Acuglide. Helio and others import them to the states. They > work > well and I have found no difference to Seirin, except for the > coating. > Silicon can be problematic (studies with some survivors of breast > implants) > to our immunity. There was a published case in Japan that showed a > woman > reacting to both acu and hypodermic needles. They found silicon in > her > WBC's. Since most companies coat their needles we should be aware > that some > people may have immunological reactions to such. There is a > liability issue > here, just to make us all aware. Using Acuglides or other non-coated > needles could be an alternative. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >TashiDelay > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: TCM - Digest Number 791 > >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:02:35 EST > > > > > > > >In a message dated 12/13/04 11:21:31 AM, > >Chinese Medicine writes: > > > ><< Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior > >quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients > the > >best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. > > > > > > > > > > > >I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 (blues) for > sensitive > >patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I have used them since the > >beginning of > >my practice. I have never seen a patient have a problem allergic or > >otherwise > >with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big problem for me after > >working > >in China and visiting factories!) > >robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Jody Herriott <jherriot >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 791 >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use >Millennia needles.) > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. > >On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:27 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > > > I would like to share a new company which makes needles without > > silicon > > coating, Acuglide. Helio and others import them to the states. They > > work > > well and I have found no difference to Seirin, except for the > > coating. > > Silicon can be problematic (studies with some survivors of breast > > implants) > > to our immunity. There was a published case in Japan that showed a > > woman > > reacting to both acu and hypodermic needles. They found silicon in > > her > > WBC's. Since most companies coat their needles we should be aware > > that some > > people may have immunological reactions to such. There is a > > liability issue > > here, just to make us all aware. Using Acuglides or other non-coated > > needles could be an alternative. Later > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >TashiDelay > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: TCM - Digest Number 791 > > >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:02:35 EST > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 12/13/04 11:21:31 AM, > > >Chinese Medicine writes: > > > > > ><< Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior > > >quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients > > the > > >best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 (blues) for > > sensitive > > >patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I have used them since the > > >beginning of > > >my practice. I have never seen a patient have a problem allergic or > > >otherwise > > >with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big problem for me after > > >working > > >in China and visiting factories!) > > >robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Yes, both those acugluides and millenia tend to be felt more than the good ol' seirins (and DBCs, also). I had to use the former when I worked in a NF clinic in NYC; I always felt the owners were just plainly, too cheap to buy the seirins. John Garbarini --- Jody Herriott <jherriot wrote: > > > I have received acupuncture from a fellow > practitioner who used > Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. > She recently switched > to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. > (Personally I use > Millennia needles.) > > Jody Herriott, L.Ac. > > On Dec 15, 2004, at 6:27 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > > > I would like to share a new company which makes > needles without > > silicon > > coating, Acuglide. Helio and others import them > to the states. They > > work > > well and I have found no difference to Seirin, > except for the > > coating. > > Silicon can be problematic (studies with some > survivors of breast > > implants) > > to our immunity. There was a published case in > Japan that showed a > > woman > > reacting to both acu and hypodermic needles. > They found silicon in > > her > > WBC's. Since most companies coat their needles > we should be aware > > that some > > people may have immunological reactions to such. > There is a > > liability issue > > here, just to make us all aware. Using Acuglides > or other non-coated > > needles could be an alternative. Later > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >TashiDelay > > > > Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: TCM - Digest Number 791 > > >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:02:35 EST > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 12/13/04 11:21:31 AM, > > >Chinese Medicine > writes: > > > > > ><< Having said that, I find the Seirin > needles to be of superior > > >quality, and I personally will spare no expense > to give my patients > > the > > >best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I too use only serins. #5 (purples) mostly. #3 > (blues) for > > sensitive > > >patients and #1's or 2's for face points. I > have used them since the > > >beginning of > > >my practice. I have never seen a patient have a > problem allergic or > > >otherwise > > >with them. And I trust their sterilzation (big > problem for me after > > >working > > >in China and visiting factories!) > > >robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Yes, I agree. But since it's the same practitioner, and she has good needle technique and comparable needle gauge, that should rule that out. ~Jody On Dec 15, 2004, at 10:35 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. > Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > >> Jody Herriott <jherriot >> Chinese Medicine >> Chinese Medicine >> Re: Digest Number 791 >> Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 >> >> >> >> I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used >> Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently >> switched >> to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use >> Millennia needles.) >> >> Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 That would be the best. Later Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " kampo36 " <kampo36 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 791 >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:18:17 -0000 > > > >also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded >edge on the tube >-- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally >use acuglides >with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more >like seirin, i'd >probably never look at another brand of needle. > >rh > >Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " ><naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: Digest Number 791 > > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > > >Millennia needles.) > > > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Acuglides cheap? Where do you get yours from? What guage and needling style do you perform? I use #1 or #0 and perform Japanese style treatments. Later Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >John Garbarini <johnlg_2000 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 791 >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:51:13 -0800 (PST) > > > >Yes, both those acugluides and millenia tend to be >felt more than the good ol' seirins (and DBCs, also). >I had to use the former when I worked in a NF clinic >in NYC; I always felt the owners were just plainly, >too cheap to buy the seirins. > John Garbarini >--- Jody Herriott <jherriot wrote: > > > > > > > I have received acupuncture from a fellow > > practitioner who used > > Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. > > She recently switched > > to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. > > (Personally I use > > Millennia needles.) > > > > Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I've tried Seirins on and off for years and have never been able to get over the waste of the packaging. A tube for every needle. Sure, they're smooth, but at 6 times the price of a DBC needle? Neither I or my patients seem to be able to see enough difference in the insertion to warrant the money or the waste. So, DBCs still seem to make the most sense for me. To each his/her own! _____ Matt Bauer [acu.guy] Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:57 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Digest Number 791 I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. Mike L. Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 dear readers any one know about saltlamp? i can share the benefits of it if any one interested to know. it is good for asthma patients, bronchitis and so many other things regards tanveer Mike Liaw <mikeliaw wrote: Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. Mike L. Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 how much do the Seirin needles cost in the USA? They're 139 euro for 1000 pcs, sold from Germany, in Europe. Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Never heard of it but now I am curiuos... Brian Tanveer Rauf <ammi_pk wrote: dear readers any one know about saltlamp? i can share the benefits of it if any one interested to know. it is good for asthma patients, bronchitis and so many other things regards tanveer Mike Liaw <mikeliaw wrote: Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. Mike L. Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I don't know, but I definitely prefer metal handled needles. I even use glass and metal insertion tubes (with the Seirin lasers, which are metal handled). I also burn moxa on the needles sometimes, which requires metal handles. I don't like the plastic. Seirin has 3 laser needles, 30, 40, and 60 mm., in #3 or #5 gauges. I used to get great needles from Ido Nippon-Sha a number of years ago with metal handles, in all lengths and gauges. On Dec 15, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Mike Liaw wrote: > > Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had > any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask > this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. > > Mike L. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 The best needles i've used come from Maeda, which has been in the business of making needles for 300 years (N sensei from Toyohari assn told me that Seirin was originally a petrochemical company, hence the plastic handles). I've still got a stash of silver and stainless needles i bought a few years back, but at 25 yen per needle they make Seirins and Acuglides look cheap in comparison. They are excellent needles, though, no doubt about that. rh Chinese Medicine , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > >I used to get great needles from Ido Nippon-Sha a number of years ago > with metal handles, in all lengths and gauges. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 No, it's definitely the needle, not the tube. It's the sensation of the actual insertion. It also feels much sharper than the Millennia needles used when I trade treatments with another practitioner. ~Jody On Dec 15, 2004, at 11:18 AM, kampo36 wrote: > > > also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a > rounded edge on the tube > -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and > generally use acuglides > with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be > more like seirin, i'd > probably never look at another brand of needle. > > rh > > Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " > <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. > Later > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: Digest Number 791 > > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently > switched > > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > > >Millennia needles.) > > > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Robert, I've tried to get Maeda needles to no avail. Can you help me out here? On Dec 16, 2004, at 8:23 AM, kampo36 wrote: > > > The best needles i've used come from Maeda, which has been in the > business of making > needles for 300 years (N sensei from Toyohari assn told me that > Seirin was originally a > petrochemical company, hence the plastic handles). I've still got a > stash of silver and > stainless needles i bought a few years back, but at 25 yen per needle > they make Seirins > and Acuglides look cheap in comparison. They are excellent needles, > though, no doubt > about that. > > rh > > Chinese Medicine , " " > <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > > > >I used to get great needles from Ido Nippon-Sha a number of years ago > > with metal handles, in all lengths and gauges. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Mike, I do qi transmission with all my treatments and have never gotten the sense that plastic handles make any difference. Matt - Mike Liaw Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:14 PM Re: Digest Number 791 Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. Mike L. Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you supposed to do with those little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's prices, I would certainly use them. Matt - kampo36 Chinese Medicine Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM Re: Digest Number 791 also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a rounded edge on the tube -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and generally use acuglides with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to be more like seirin, i'd probably never look at another brand of needle. rh Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as guage. Later > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 791 > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently switched > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > >Millennia needles.) > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Robert, > I've tried to get Maeda needles to no avail. Can you help me out > here? > > > sure. their fax # is 011-81-3-3332-8117. email is harimaeda (at) pop01 (dot) odn (dot) ne (dot) jp they can at least read simple English, they may have English-speaking staff by now. i last dealt with them in 2001 i think it was, and they mentioned that they were working on an English-language catalog. they take Visa/MC (i think i was their first cc customer, i used to have to wire transfer the money to their bank). their customer service is great, and i've gotten shipping from Tokyo to Chicago faster than most US companies. they used to EOG sterilize any of their needles in batches of 100 -- gold, silver, cobalt, or stainless -- i imagine they still do. they do custom runs too, i still have some silver #2 designed per Nakada sensei's specs -- shaft slightly shorter and handle slightly longer than standard 1 cun #2, with a custom-designed tip, excellent needles for Toyohari-style root tx. rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Thanks, Robert, On Dec 16, 2004, at 12:00 PM, kampo36 wrote: > > > Chinese Medicine , " " > <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > > Robert, > > I've tried to get Maeda needles to no avail. Can you help me > out > > here? > > > > > > > > sure. > > their fax # is 011-81-3-3332-8117. > email is harimaeda (at) pop01 (dot) odn (dot) ne (dot) jp > > they can at least read simple English, they may have English-speaking > staff by now. i last > dealt with them in 2001 i think it was, and they mentioned that they > were working on an > English-language catalog. they take Visa/MC (i think i was their > first cc customer, i used > to have to wire transfer the money to their bank). > > their customer service is great, and i've gotten shipping from Tokyo > to Chicago faster than > most US companies. they used to EOG sterilize any of their needles > in batches of 100 -- > gold, silver, cobalt, or stainless -- i imagine they still do. they > do custom runs too, i still > have some silver #2 designed per Nakada sensei's specs -- shaft > slightly shorter and > handle slightly longer than standard 1 cun #2, with a custom-designed > tip, excellent > needles for Toyohari-style root tx. > > rh > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop > being delivered. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 I choose the needle according to the patient. I prefer metal, especially with draining, e.g. back shu, or GV 20, I use metal on toroso most of the time and I use plastic on feet and hands, sometimes metal on LI 4. I actually went to 1/2 inched neeles on sensitive points on feet, ST 41, LR 3. I use red plastic on hands, especially when using Dr. Tan's treatments. Matt Bauer wrote: > Mike, > > I do qi transmission with all my treatments and have never gotten the > sense that plastic handles make any difference. Matt > - > Mike Liaw > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:14 PM > Re: Digest Number 791 > > > > Has anyone using Seirin, which comes with plastic handle only, had > any trouble transimitting qi from the fingers to the needles? I ask > this assuming metal handles would transimit qi better. > > Mike L. > > Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: > I began using Seirin needles about 20 years ago when they were about > the only ultra-thin gauge needle available. From time to time over the > years, I have tried other brands, trying to find others I like as well > for less money. Invariably, I always ended up going back to Seirin. > Some other needles are close in quality, but nobody else comes close > to Seirin in their packaging. Take the Korean-made Nano-Tech needles > made for Lhasha (OMS) Medical. A very good needle, but their packaging > sucks. The blister packs are difficult to open and their glue > technology leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes it is impossible to > break the handle free because the glue sticks too tightly then, even > worse, sometimes a bit of glue stays on the handle and can get caught > on the guide tube when removing the tube and this pulls the needle > out! I much prefer the glue on plastic handled needles rather than the > dumb wedge that comes with so many metal-wrapped needles. What are you > supposed to do with those > little wedges? I try to acheive a certain rhythm when I begin > inserting needles and fumbling with packaging throws this off. If some > of these other manufactures of quality needles could get their > packaging quality control up to Seirin's standards and beat Seirin's > prices, I would certainly use them. Matt > - > kampo36 > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:18 AM > Re: Digest Number 791 > > > > > also possible you're feeling the guide tube; seirin j types have a > rounded edge on the tube > -- quite nice, though i'm not crazy about the plastic handles and > generally use acuglides > with no complaints. if acuglide would change the tube design to > be more like seirin, i'd > probably never look at another brand of needle. > > rh > > Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " > <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > > > Needle technique can have a lot to do with this as well as > guage. Later > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > >Jody Herriott <jherriot@m...> > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Re: Digest Number 791 > > >Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:28:21 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >I have received acupuncture from a fellow practitioner who used > > >Acuglide needles. They always felt sharp to me. She recently > switched > > >to Seirins, and it was much more comfortable. (Personally I use > > >Millennia needles.) > > > > > >Jody Herriott, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Around $10-14 for the box of 100 needles Yuri --- Tom Verhaeghe <verhaeghe_tom wrote: > > how much do the Seirin needles cost in the USA? > They're 139 euro for 1000 pcs, sold from Germany, in > Europe. > > Tom. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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