Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I just started my practice and still trying to figure out which brand of needles is better. In school we use Seirin but it is too expensive and I do not find it is more painless than other brands. I tried few other brands but still cannot figure out the difference between expensive and cheaper brands in terms of getting painless insertion and good deqi. So far I find that cheapest Peace needles work better than couple other brands I tried. I am confused. Also what gauge and lengh you use mostly? I am novice practitioner and appreciate your opinion. Yuly L.Ac., PTA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 > > I have tried many brands of needles and finally settled on DBC Spring needles from Lhasa Medicial in Boston, Mass. I use 1 in, 38 gauge needles (they are referred to as .18X30) and longer. Of course they have a variety of sizes. They are $17.00 per case costing just 1.7 cents a piece and I have rarely had a patient complain of discomfort. They come in sleeves of 10 needles per one tube; many practitioners don't like that. I find I prefer it because it causes less waste. I buy my really long needles (4 and 6 inch) from A & A in Los Angeles. These longer needles of course need to be a great gauge and I usually go for 28s; otherwise, they are like a noodle. A & A currently has some great prices. I just started my practice and still trying to figure out which brand > of needles is better. In school we use Seirin but it is too expensive > and I do not find it is more painless than other brands. I tried few > other brands but still cannot figure out the difference between > expensive and cheaper brands in terms of getting painless insertion > and good deqi. So far I find that cheapest Peace needles work better > than couple other brands I tried. I am confused. Also what gauge and > lengh you use mostly? I am novice practitioner and appreciate your > opinion. > > Yuly L.Ac., PTA > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being > delivered. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Yes, those DBCs are great. I still use Seirin " blues " on the " ouchy " points, like LR3, BL2, LI4, and Yang M/W points for that added comfort, but the DBCs are inexpensive and rarely get complaints. John Garbarini, Paramus, NJ Happy Holidays!!! --- bbeale wrote: > > > > I have tried many brands of needles and finally > settled on DBC Spring > needles from Lhasa Medicial in Boston, Mass. I use > 1 in, 38 gauge > needles (they are referred to as .18X30) and longer. > Of course they > have a variety of sizes. They are $17.00 per case > costing just 1.7 > cents a piece and I have rarely had a patient > complain of discomfort. > They come in sleeves of 10 needles per one tube; > many practitioners > don't like that. I find I prefer it because it > causes less waste. I > buy my really long needles (4 and 6 inch) from A & A > in Los Angeles. > These longer needles of course need to be a great > gauge and I usually go > for 28s; otherwise, they are like a noodle. A & A > currently has some > great prices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just started my practice and still trying to > figure out which brand > > of needles is better. In school we use Seirin but > it is too expensive > > and I do not find it is more painless than other > brands. I tried few > > other brands but still cannot figure out the > difference between > > expensive and cheaper brands in terms of getting > painless insertion > > and good deqi. So far I find that cheapest Peace > needles work better > > than couple other brands I tried. I am confused. > Also what gauge and > > lengh you use mostly? I am novice practitioner > and appreciate your > > opinion. > > > > Yuly L.Ac., PTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > If you , it takes a few days for the > messages to stop being > > delivered. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Yuly, The most important criteria for relatively painless acupuncture is the technique of the practitioner. Also, there are different types of pain. Sometimes there may be a nerve response, which can be quite uncomfortable. Sometimes there is muscle tightness, or the needle 'grabs' upon insertion. Finally, a sharp sensation when you are in proximity to small blood vessels. These can be minimized by massaging the points before insertion, and paying careful attention to the process of needle insertion. Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients the best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. On Dec 12, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Y. F. wrote: > > > I just started my practice and still trying to figure out which brand > of needles is better. In school we use Seirin but it is too expensive > and I do not find it is more painless than other brands. I tried few > other brands but still cannot figure out the difference between > expensive and cheaper brands in terms of getting painless insertion > and good deqi. So far I find that cheapest Peace needles work better > than couple other brands I tried. I am confused. Also what gauge and > lengh you use mostly? I am novice practitioner and appreciate your > opinion. > > Yuly L.Ac., PTA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Thanks for the great reminder to stay present, with intention while inserting needles. Also thanks for massaging tip. I also use only Seirins by the way. Anne wrote: > Yuly, > The most important criteria for relatively painless acupuncture is > the technique of the practitioner. Also, there are different types of > pain. Sometimes there may be a nerve response, which can be quite > uncomfortable. Sometimes there is muscle tightness, or the needle > 'grabs' upon insertion. Finally, a sharp sensation when you are in > proximity to small blood vessels. These can be minimized by massaging > the points before insertion, and paying careful attention to the > process of needle insertion. > Having said that, I find the Seirin needles to be of superior > quality, and I personally will spare no expense to give my patients the > best quality herbs and acupuncture supplies. > > > On Dec 12, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Y. F. wrote: > > > > > > > I just started my practice and still trying to figure out which brand > > of needles is better. In school we use Seirin but it is too expensive > > and I do not find it is more painless than other brands. I tried few > > other brands but still cannot figure out the difference between > > expensive and cheaper brands in terms of getting painless insertion > > and good deqi. So far I find that cheapest Peace needles work better > > than couple other brands I tried. I am confused. Also what gauge and > > lengh you use mostly? I am novice practitioner and appreciate your > > opinion. > > > > Yuly L.Ac., PTA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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