Interesting after-effect of acupuncture.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

In the interest of the on again off again topic of healing crises in

acupuncture, I have a personal experience to relate.

 

History:

 

I have chronic upper back pain. Mostly in the SI 14-15, GB21 and sometimes

mid-scapular region. This is no car-accident, posture type of back pain,

this is pure I'm a big ole stress case and keep all my emotions, especially

fear/anxiety in my back. I'm tensed for an attack, physical or mental at all

times.. ready to spring into action. Even when sleeping. The interesting

thing about this tension is that when I do get someone to work on my back

and they hit the right spots, I get a tingling sensation all the way down my

back and through my body.. and become euphoric for a couple of seconds. I

attribute this to Qi stagnation (and possibly Blood stagnation) being

released temporarily and a rush of Qi & Blood is able to circulate..

 

So bear with me, I'm getting to the healing crisis.. but I want to explain

the pre-situation first. About a week and a half ago, I received a mostly

painful and non-therapeutic Tui-Na treatment that left me with not only the

same amount of pain in my upper back but a new sacral region pain. When I

went to massage the sacral area myself later that evening I felt an ENORMOUS

nodule.. moveable, about 2 inches around. I was not pleased.

 

The Treatment:

 

Today I went into the clinic and received an acupuncture treatment for the

pain and tension which has gotten nearly unbearable in my upper back. He did

what felt like about four Huo-tuo-jia-ji points on either side around

T2-T6.. GB21, GB20, and then five-needled the sacral nodule which is still

very prominent and definitely causing me fixed pain. Also SI3 on both sides.

Left in 30 minutes, stimulating every 10 minutes. After the treatment, he

brought in a " Shiatsu Master " who worked on my back for about 10 minutes..

cracked it in various places, and caused me to scream out in agony when he

got to my sacral and gluteal region.

 

I left feeling the tension relieved somewhat.. about 20% better. Went home..

maybe 30 minutes later I began to feel very shakey. I felt exhausted and my

brain was having a difficult time functioning. I ate lunch (yes I had eaten

breakfast earlier in the day), went to class.. and continued to deteriorate.

I began to feel quite nauseus, completely unable to concentrate and very

very emotional. I was angry, depressed, nauseus and dizzy. Trying to hold it

together during class, I finished off a large bottle of room-temperature

water.. 2 hours post-treatment, 45 minutes post water, the nausea was gone

but the emotions just got worse. I was crying uncontrollably. Now, 11 hours

later, I have finally regained my emotional composure, but my back is

killing me again.

 

The Question:

 

What's your take on this? My conclusion was, blockages temporarily released,

toxins released (hence the nausea relieved by water), emotions released that

I store there (fear, anxiety, depression), then tension resumes and

emotional issues confined again.

 

I know there are many on here that don't believe in healing crises.

Acupuncture treatment gone wrong then? Should there have been more support

for the releasing process so as not to experience all this or is it, as I

suspect, a necessary part of the healing process? Or is it all just gross

acupuncture mis-management? I will have a very difficult time entertaining

the idea that the post-acupuncture experience was not a result of the

treatment, for good or ill.

 

I have only had this kind of response to acupuncture once before.. when Liv

14 and PC6 were needled and almost immediately I began sobbing hysterically.

I was depressed for three days post this treatment. No nausea, though. (1.5

years before)

 

I believe we can be our own best learning tools. As we all strive to heal

ourselves from the constant assaults of daily life, we can choose to be

active students of this amazing experience, or lose a valuable opportunity

for both self and professional growth. I am very interested in your

feedback... I know things have been rather heated on the forum lately. I

hope you will be gentle with me however.. still a bit emotionally fragile.

:>

 

Nadia

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing Nadia,

 

It is fascinating to me how our bodies seem to carry our emotions,

perhaps more so than our " minds " . Emotions coming up during bodywork is

actually fairly common. I'm not sure if what you experienced was a

healing crisis, but it might be. It seems from your post that you have

a very positive and constructive attitude towards your experience and

that you are willing to explore it further instead of being taken back

by it.

 

I believe that a " healing crisis " is far more common for emotional work

than for simple physical problems. Letting go of, and becoming free of

old patterns of thought and emotion creates a kind of temporary split in

our consciousness. It is almost like the old pattern fights to stay,

creating physical symptoms like a healing crisis. Acupuncture can be

quite powerful at releasing these patterns by moving the Qi around them.

Exploring these issues with counseling, hypnotherapy or other means may

help with the acupuncture to resolve what ever issues are underlying for

you.

 

Best of luck!

Chris

 

 

East Dakota [eastdakota]

Friday, December 03, 2004 12:34 AM

Chinese Medicine

Interesting after-effect of acupuncture.

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

In the interest of the on again off again topic of healing crises in

acupuncture, I have a personal experience to relate.

 

History:

 

I have chronic upper back pain. Mostly in the SI 14-15, GB21 and

sometimes

mid-scapular region. This is no car-accident, posture type of back pain,

 

this is pure I'm a big ole stress case and keep all my emotions,

especially

fear/anxiety in my back. I'm tensed for an attack, physical or mental at

all

times.. ready to spring into action. Even when sleeping. The interesting

 

thing about this tension is that when I do get someone to work on my

back

and they hit the right spots, I get a tingling sensation all the way

down my

back and through my body.. and become euphoric for a couple of seconds.

I

attribute this to Qi stagnation (and possibly Blood stagnation) being

released temporarily and a rush of Qi & Blood is able to circulate..

 

So bear with me, I'm getting to the healing crisis.. but I want to

explain

the pre-situation first. About a week and a half ago, I received a

mostly

painful and non-therapeutic Tui-Na treatment that left me with not only

the

same amount of pain in my upper back but a new sacral region pain. When

I

went to massage the sacral area myself later that evening I felt an

ENORMOUS

nodule.. moveable, about 2 inches around. I was not pleased.

 

The Treatment:

 

Today I went into the clinic and received an acupuncture treatment for

the

pain and tension which has gotten nearly unbearable in my upper back. He

did

what felt like about four Huo-tuo-jia-ji points on either side around

T2-T6.. GB21, GB20, and then five-needled the sacral nodule which is

still

very prominent and definitely causing me fixed pain. Also SI3 on both

sides.

Left in 30 minutes, stimulating every 10 minutes. After the treatment,

he

brought in a " Shiatsu Master " who worked on my back for about 10

minutes..

cracked it in various places, and caused me to scream out in agony when

he

got to my sacral and gluteal region.

 

I left feeling the tension relieved somewhat.. about 20% better. Went

home..

maybe 30 minutes later I began to feel very shakey. I felt exhausted and

my

brain was having a difficult time functioning. I ate lunch (yes I had

eaten

breakfast earlier in the day), went to class.. and continued to

deteriorate.

I began to feel quite nauseus, completely unable to concentrate and very

 

very emotional. I was angry, depressed, nauseus and dizzy. Trying to

hold it

together during class, I finished off a large bottle of room-temperature

 

water.. 2 hours post-treatment, 45 minutes post water, the nausea was

gone

but the emotions just got worse. I was crying uncontrollably. Now, 11

hours

later, I have finally regained my emotional composure, but my back is

killing me again.

 

The Question:

 

What's your take on this? My conclusion was, blockages temporarily

released,

toxins released (hence the nausea relieved by water), emotions released

that

I store there (fear, anxiety, depression), then tension resumes and

emotional issues confined again.

 

I know there are many on here that don't believe in healing crises.

Acupuncture treatment gone wrong then? Should there have been more

support

for the releasing process so as not to experience all this or is it, as

I

suspect, a necessary part of the healing process? Or is it all just

gross

acupuncture mis-management? I will have a very difficult time

entertaining

the idea that the post-acupuncture experience was not a result of the

treatment, for good or ill.

 

I have only had this kind of response to acupuncture once before.. when

Liv

14 and PC6 were needled and almost immediately I began sobbing

hysterically.

I was depressed for three days post this treatment. No nausea, though.

(1.5

years before)

 

I believe we can be our own best learning tools. As we all strive to

heal

ourselves from the constant assaults of daily life, we can choose to be

active students of this amazing experience, or lose a valuable

opportunity

for both self and professional growth. I am very interested in your

feedback... I know things have been rather heated on the forum lately. I

 

hope you will be gentle with me however.. still a bit emotionally

fragile.

:>

 

Nadia

[Guest guest]

I just responded to this message but it seems to have eaten my

message so I'll try again.. hopefully this is not a repeat.

 

 

Chris,

 

Thanks for the response. :> The more time that passes the more

convinced I become that that is what happened. I've now taken it upon

myself to do everything I'd expect from a patient.. Acupuncture,

herbs, bodywork, exercise (yoga and martial arts) and the effect is

truly amazing. I've finally come to terms with the old adage that I

owe this to myself and to my patients.

 

The Body/Mind/Spirit *is* fascinating..

 

Best wishes,

Nadia

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Christopher

Vedeler " <ckvedeler@a...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing Nadia,

>

> It is fascinating to me how our bodies seem to carry our emotions,

> perhaps more so than our " minds " . Emotions coming up during

bodywork is

> actually fairly common. I'm not sure if what you experienced was a

> healing crisis, but it might be. It seems from your post that you

have

> a very positive and constructive attitude towards your experience

and

> that you are willing to explore it further instead of being taken

back

> by it.

>

> I believe that a " healing crisis " is far more common for emotional

work

> than for simple physical problems. Letting go of, and becoming

free of

> old patterns of thought and emotion creates a kind of temporary

split in

> our consciousness. It is almost like the old pattern fights to

stay,

> creating physical symptoms like a healing crisis. Acupuncture can

be

> quite powerful at releasing these patterns by moving the Qi around

them.

> Exploring these issues with counseling, hypnotherapy or other means

may

> help with the acupuncture to resolve what ever issues are

underlying for

> you.

>

> Best of luck!

> Chris

>

>

> East Dakota [eastdakota@h...]

> Friday, December 03, 2004 12:34 AM

> Chinese Medicine

> Interesting after-effect of acupuncture.

>

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> In the interest of the on again off again topic of healing crises

in

> acupuncture, I have a personal experience to relate.

>

> History:

>

> I have chronic upper back pain. Mostly in the SI 14-15, GB21 and

> sometimes

> mid-scapular region. This is no car-accident, posture type of back

pain,

>

> this is pure I'm a big ole stress case and keep all my emotions,

> especially

> fear/anxiety in my back. I'm tensed for an attack, physical or

mental at

> all

> times.. ready to spring into action. Even when sleeping. The

interesting

>

> thing about this tension is that when I do get someone to work on my

> back

> and they hit the right spots, I get a tingling sensation all the way

> down my

> back and through my body.. and become euphoric for a couple of

seconds.

> I

> attribute this to Qi stagnation (and possibly Blood stagnation)

being

> released temporarily and a rush of Qi & Blood is able to circulate..

>

> So bear with me, I'm getting to the healing crisis.. but I want to

> explain

> the pre-situation first. About a week and a half ago, I received a

> mostly

> painful and non-therapeutic Tui-Na treatment that left me with not

only

> the

> same amount of pain in my upper back but a new sacral region pain.

When

> I

> went to massage the sacral area myself later that evening I felt an

> ENORMOUS

> nodule.. moveable, about 2 inches around. I was not pleased.

>

> The Treatment:

>

> Today I went into the clinic and received an acupuncture treatment

for

> the

> pain and tension which has gotten nearly unbearable in my upper

back. He

> did

> what felt like about four Huo-tuo-jia-ji points on either side

around

> T2-T6.. GB21, GB20, and then five-needled the sacral nodule which is

> still

> very prominent and definitely causing me fixed pain. Also SI3 on

both

> sides.

> Left in 30 minutes, stimulating every 10 minutes. After the

treatment,

> he

> brought in a " Shiatsu Master " who worked on my back for about 10

> minutes..

> cracked it in various places, and caused me to scream out in agony

when

> he

> got to my sacral and gluteal region.

>

> I left feeling the tension relieved somewhat.. about 20% better.

Went

> home..

> maybe 30 minutes later I began to feel very shakey. I felt

exhausted and

> my

> brain was having a difficult time functioning. I ate lunch (yes I

had

> eaten

> breakfast earlier in the day), went to class.. and continued to

> deteriorate.

> I began to feel quite nauseus, completely unable to concentrate and

very

>

> very emotional. I was angry, depressed, nauseus and dizzy. Trying to

> hold it

> together during class, I finished off a large bottle of room-

temperature

>

> water.. 2 hours post-treatment, 45 minutes post water, the nausea

was

> gone

> but the emotions just got worse. I was crying uncontrollably. Now,

11

> hours

> later, I have finally regained my emotional composure, but my back

is

> killing me again.

>

> The Question:

>

> What's your take on this? My conclusion was, blockages temporarily

> released,

> toxins released (hence the nausea relieved by water), emotions

released

> that

> I store there (fear, anxiety, depression), then tension resumes and

> emotional issues confined again.

>

> I know there are many on here that don't believe in healing crises.

> Acupuncture treatment gone wrong then? Should there have been more

> support

> for the releasing process so as not to experience all this or is

it, as

> I

> suspect, a necessary part of the healing process? Or is it all just

> gross

> acupuncture mis-management? I will have a very difficult time

> entertaining

> the idea that the post-acupuncture experience was not a result of

the

> treatment, for good or ill.

>

> I have only had this kind of response to acupuncture once before..

when

> Liv

> 14 and PC6 were needled and almost immediately I began sobbing

> hysterically.

> I was depressed for three days post this treatment. No nausea,

though.

> (1.5

> years before)

>

> I believe we can be our own best learning tools. As we all strive to

> heal

> ourselves from the constant assaults of daily life, we can choose

to be

> active students of this amazing experience, or lose a valuable

> opportunity

> for both self and professional growth. I am very interested in your

> feedback... I know things have been rather heated on the forum

lately. I

>

> hope you will be gentle with me however.. still a bit emotionally

> fragile.

> :>

>

> Nadia

[Guest guest]

Nadia:

 

Sorry - going through old mail and found your message. I'm not sure

what replies you got.

 

It sounds like you were having a healing crisis. He may have hit back

shu points BL13,14,15 which can bring out a lot of emotion and then

combined it with others that may have increased the impact. Whatever he

hit it really triggered a lot of emotion in you. I would choose a

practiitoner you feel extremely comfortable in going to. There are some

great 5E treatments for releasing emotions and I'm sure there are TCM

tx's designed for such. The important thing is the practioner, that you

feel comfortable with and can trust. It sounds like things need to be

released and maybe this pracitioner did too much at once, also again the

trust level.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Anne

 

East Dakota wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> In the interest of the on again off again topic of healing crises in

> acupuncture, I have a personal experience to relate.

>

> History:

>

> I have chronic upper back pain. Mostly in the SI 14-15, GB21 and

> sometimes

> mid-scapular region. This is no car-accident, posture type of back pain,

> this is pure I'm a big ole stress case and keep all my emotions,

> especially

> fear/anxiety in my back. I'm tensed for an attack, physical or mental

> at all

> times.. ready to spring into action. Even when sleeping. The interesting

> thing about this tension is that when I do get someone to work on my back

> and they hit the right spots, I get a tingling sensation all the way

> down my

> back and through my body.. and become euphoric for a couple of seconds. I

> attribute this to Qi stagnation (and possibly Blood stagnation) being

> released temporarily and a rush of Qi & Blood is able to circulate..

>

> So bear with me, I'm getting to the healing crisis.. but I want to

> explain

> the pre-situation first. About a week and a half ago, I received a mostly

> painful and non-therapeutic Tui-Na treatment that left me with not

> only the

> same amount of pain in my upper back but a new sacral region pain. When I

> went to massage the sacral area myself later that evening I felt an

> ENORMOUS

> nodule.. moveable, about 2 inches around. I was not pleased.

>

> The Treatment:

>

> Today I went into the clinic and received an acupuncture treatment for

> the

> pain and tension which has gotten nearly unbearable in my upper back.

> He did

> what felt like about four Huo-tuo-jia-ji points on either side around

> T2-T6.. GB21, GB20, and then five-needled the sacral nodule which is

> still

> very prominent and definitely causing me fixed pain. Also SI3 on both

> sides.

> Left in 30 minutes, stimulating every 10 minutes. After the treatment, he

> brought in a " Shiatsu Master " who worked on my back for about 10

> minutes..

> cracked it in various places, and caused me to scream out in agony

> when he

> got to my sacral and gluteal region.

>

> I left feeling the tension relieved somewhat.. about 20% better. Went

> home..

> maybe 30 minutes later I began to feel very shakey. I felt exhausted

> and my

> brain was having a difficult time functioning. I ate lunch (yes I had

> eaten

> breakfast earlier in the day), went to class.. and continued to

> deteriorate.

> I began to feel quite nauseus, completely unable to concentrate and very

> very emotional. I was angry, depressed, nauseus and dizzy. Trying to

> hold it

> together during class, I finished off a large bottle of room-temperature

> water.. 2 hours post-treatment, 45 minutes post water, the nausea was

> gone

> but the emotions just got worse. I was crying uncontrollably. Now, 11

> hours

> later, I have finally regained my emotional composure, but my back is

> killing me again.

>

> The Question:

>

> What's your take on this? My conclusion was, blockages temporarily

> released,

> toxins released (hence the nausea relieved by water), emotions

> released that

> I store there (fear, anxiety, depression), then tension resumes and

> emotional issues confined again.

>

> I know there are many on here that don't believe in healing crises.

> Acupuncture treatment gone wrong then? Should there have been more

> support

> for the releasing process so as not to experience all this or is it, as I

> suspect, a necessary part of the healing process? Or is it all just gross

> acupuncture mis-management? I will have a very difficult time

> entertaining

> the idea that the post-acupuncture experience was not a result of the

> treatment, for good or ill.

>

> I have only had this kind of response to acupuncture once before..

> when Liv

> 14 and PC6 were needled and almost immediately I began sobbing

> hysterically.

> I was depressed for three days post this treatment. No nausea, though.

> (1.5

> years before)

>

> I believe we can be our own best learning tools. As we all strive to heal

> ourselves from the constant assaults of daily life, we can choose to be

> active students of this amazing experience, or lose a valuable

> opportunity

> for both self and professional growth. I am very interested in your

> feedback... I know things have been rather heated on the forum lately. I

> hope you will be gentle with me however.. still a bit emotionally

> fragile.

> :>

>

> Nadia