Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Thad, All I have on zhe chong yin is from Hsu. I have not used it: Source:San Ron Compiler: Genyetsu Kagawa Functions: Tonifies & nourishes blood, disperses stagnant blood, & promotes circulation of blood. Indications Traditional: Subacute or chronic pain in lower abdomen and pelvis due to stagnant blood. Modern: Irregular menstruation, inlflammation of uterus and related organs, painful menstruation due to retroflexion of uterus, inflammation of pelvic region. Sorry I can't be of more help. It appears to be a well constructed formula. Warren Sheir , " badumpbump " <badumpbump> wrote: > > > I'm looking for some information on the formula " Zhe Chong Yin, " > aka " Cinnamon and Persica Combination. " It doesn't seem to be in any > texts that I have, nor can I find much about it online. Does anyone > have any info on it or know where I can find out more about it? I > know its constituents, that it's a derivative of Tao Hong Si Wu Tang, > and that it's apparently used a lot in Japan. > > Also, has anyone had any results using it with dysmenorrhea? > > Thanks, > Thad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Zhe chong yin would be more accurately translated with an English name that reflects its Chinese name to avoid confusion (since zhe chong in pinyin is also the name of an insect used in Chinese medicine, tu bie chong). Literally, the formula name means " break thoroughfare [i.e., chong vessel] beverage. " Ingredients and proportions (granules): taoren 5, danggui 5, mudanpi 5, chuanxiong 3, shaoyao (unspecified red or white peony) 3, guizhi 3, yanhusuo 2, niuxi 2, honghua 1. Actions: dispels stasis and quickens the blood, transforms accumulations and dissipates stagnation. Indications: Female gynecological disorders, dizzy vision (dizziness) and headache, aching lumbus and abdominal pain, blood conglomerations and stasis binds, possibly with block or irregularities of menstruation. The Chinese book I am referred to is called (more or less) " clinical handbook of frequently used chinese medicinal formulas, " by Li Shi Cang. It is a famous book in Taiwan for its dui yao information. Hope that helps. Eric Brand n , " wsheir " <wsheir> wrote: > > Thad, > > All I have on zhe chong yin is from Hsu. I have not used it: > Source:San Ron Compiler: Genyetsu Kagawa > > Functions: Tonifies & nourishes blood, disperses stagnant blood, & > promotes circulation of blood. > > Indications > Traditional: Subacute or chronic pain in lower abdomen and pelvis > due to stagnant blood. > Modern: Irregular menstruation, inlflammation of uterus and related > organs, painful menstruation due to retroflexion of uterus, > inflammation of pelvic region. > > Sorry I can't be of more help. It appears to be a well constructed > formula. > Warren Sheir > > > > , " badumpbump " <badumpbump> > wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking for some information on the formula " Zhe Chong Yin, " > > aka " Cinnamon and Persica Combination. " It doesn't seem to be in > any > > texts that I have, nor can I find much about it online. Does anyone > > have any info on it or know where I can find out more about it? I > > know its constituents, that it's a derivative of Tao Hong Si Wu > Tang, > > and that it's apparently used a lot in Japan. > > > > Also, has anyone had any results using it with dysmenorrhea? > > > > Thanks, > > Thad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Thanks for your help, Warren. Is this text in English? thad > > Thad, > > All I have on zhe chong yin is from Hsu. I have not used it: > Source:San Ron Compiler: Genyetsu Kagawa > > Functions: Tonifies & nourishes blood, disperses stagnant blood, & > promotes circulation of blood. > > Indications > Traditional: Subacute or chronic pain in lower abdomen and pelvis > due to stagnant blood. > Modern: Irregular menstruation, inlflammation of uterus and related > organs, painful menstruation due to retroflexion of uterus, > inflammation of pelvic region. > > Sorry I can't be of more help. It appears to be a well constructed > formula. > Warren Sheir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Thanks for the great info Re: Zhe Chong Yin, Eric. Does the text you're referring to mention anything about its chief, assistants, etc? And, have you had a chance to use it? Thanks, thad ekdahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Does anyone have any information or evidence on the efficacy of the formula " Zhe Chong Yin? " I'm looking for information on it and know of only 2 texts that mention it: one by Li Shi Cang and the other by Hsu, compiled by G. Kagawa. Is anyone familiar with its history, chief constituents, how commonly it's used, or other texts where information can be found about it? Thanks, Thad Ekdahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 It is first mentioned in the chan3 lun4, " treatise on childbirth. " Eric Brand Chinese Medicine , " badumpbump " <badumpbump> wrote: > > Does anyone have any information or evidence on the efficacy of the > formula " Zhe Chong Yin? " I'm looking for information on it and know > of only 2 texts that mention it: one by Li Shi Cang and the other by > Hsu, compiled by G. Kagawa. > > Is anyone familiar with its history, chief constituents, how commonly > it's used, or other texts where information can be found about it? > > Thanks, > Thad Ekdahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hi Thad, & All, > Does anyone have any information or evidence on the efficacy of > the formula " Zhe Chong Yin? " I'm looking for information on it and > know of only 2 texts that mention it: one by Li Shi Cang and the > other by Hsu, compiled by G. Kagawa. Is anyone familiar with its > history, chief constituents, how commonly it's used, or other > texts where information can be found about it? Thanks, Thad > Ekdahl Google has a few hits for " Zhe Chong Yin " (Cinnamon & Persica Combination). Crane Herbs [ http://www.craneherb.com/Products/Product009754 ] says: Ingredient (%) | Taoren 17.5; Danggui (Shen) 17.5; Baishao 10.5; Guizhi 10.5; Chuanxiong 10.5; Mudanpi (Su) 10.5; Yanhusuo 8.8; Niuxi (Chuan) 8.8; Honghua 5.4 Channels | No data available Properties | No data available Tastes | No data available Western Signs, Symptoms & Disease Categories | Menses- Painful; Menses- Late; Menstrual Block; Menses-Clots; Menses- Irregular; Pelvic Inflammatory Disease; Post-Miscarriage-Bleeding; Post-Miscarriage-Blood Stasis Pain; Pregnancy-Clotted Blood; Abdomen-Stabbing Pain; Adomen-Accumulations; Fibroid Tumors; Uterine-Fibroids; Uterine-Functional Bleeding; Inflammation- Fallopian Tubes Chinese Patterns | None Listed Tongue Signs | None Listed Pulse Signs | None Listed Contraindications | None Listed Subhuti has an article on it. It says: The Japanese herbalist Kagawa Genyetsu (1700-1777), who specialized in gynecology and obstetrics, adjusted the original formulation according to the model of traditional formulas in the Shanghan Lun yielding Zhe Chong Yin (Cinnamon and Persica Combination), a formula still used in Japan (6): Ingredients (in g): (Danggui 15; Baishao 9; Chuanxiong 9; Mudanpi 9; Guizhi 9g; Taoren 6; Honghua 4). The main adjustment is replacing rehmannia with cinnamon and moutan, which are considered aids to vitalizing blood circulation. Cinnamon (the twig is used) opens the meridians and alleviates pain. The formula has the same indications as Tao Hong Siwu Tang but is also used in Japan for treating inflammatory disorders of the pelvic organs, such as uterine inflammation and peritonitis. Kagawa indicated it additionally for treatment of blood stasis following pregnancy, miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion. Moutan is used here to vitalize blood and clear heat. This formulation is similar to a prescription of the Jingui Yaolue, Guizhi Fuling Wan (Cinnamon and Hoelen Formula), made with cinnamon, peony, moutan, persica, and hoelen. In Japan, Cinnamon and Hoelen Formula is the most frequently used therapy for abdominal blood stasis and its secondary manifestations (e.g., heat disorders, mental distress, abdominal pain). For further details, see: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/persica.htm [Note by Phil: Yanhusuo & Niuxi (Chuan), as in the Crane Herb Formula, are omitted in Subhuti's article, and the ratios of the herbs in common differ from those in the Crane Herb Comb]. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 , " badumpbump " <badumpbump> wrote: > > > Thanks for the great info Re: Zhe Chong Yin, Eric. Does the text > you're referring to mention anything about its chief, assistants, etc? The book I used doesn't have the information organized in that way. > And, have you had a chance to use it? I have not specifically used it. It has a number of very closely related formulas which are generally effective. If the presentation fits the construction of the formula, it should work. Eric > Thanks, > thad ekdahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hi Thad, & All, > Does anyone have any information or evidence on the efficacy of the > formula " Zhe Chong Yin? " I'm looking for information on it and know > of only 2 texts that mention it: one by Li Shi Cang and the other > by Hsu, compiled by G. Kagawa. Is anyone familiar with its > history, chief constituents, how commonly it's used, or other > texts where information can be found about it? Thanks, > Thad Ekdahl Google has a few hits for " Zhe Chong Yin " (Cinnamon & Persica Combination). Crane Herbs [ http://www.craneherb.com/Products/Product009754 ] says: Ingredient (%) | Taoren 17.5; Danggui (Shen) 17.5; Baishao 10.5; Guizhi 10.5; Chuanxiong 10.5; Mudanpi (Su) 10.5; Yanhusuo 8.8; Niuxi (Chuan) 8.8; Honghua 5.4 Channels | No data available Properties | No data available Tastes | No data available Western Signs, Symptoms & Disease Categories | Menses-Painful; Menses- Late; Menstrual Block; Menses-Clots; Menses-Irregular; Pelvic Inflammatory Disease; Post-Miscarriage-Bleeding; Post-Miscarriage-Blood Stasis Pain; Pregnancy-Clotted Blood; Abdomen-Stabbing Pain; Adomen-Accumulations; Fibroid Tumors; Uterine-Fibroids; Uterine-Functional Bleeding; Inflammation- Fallopian Tubes Chinese Patterns | None Listed Tongue Signs | None Listed Pulse Signs | None Listed Contraindications | None Listed Subhuti has an article on it. It says: The Japanese herbalist Kagawa Genyetsu (1700-1777), who specialized in gynecology and obstetrics, adjusted the original formulation according to the model of traditional formulas in the Shanghan Lun yielding Zhe Chong Yin (Cinnamon and Persica Combination), a formula still used in Japan (6): Ingredients (in g): (Danggui 15; Baishao 9; Chuanxiong 9; Mudanpi 9; Guizhi 9g; Taoren 6; Honghua 4). The main adjustment is replacing rehmannia with cinnamon and moutan, which are considered aids to vitalizing blood circulation. Cinnamon (the twig is used) opens the meridians and alleviates pain. The formula has the same indications as Tao Hong Siwu Tang but is also used in Japan for treating inflammatory disorders of the pelvic organs, such as uterine inflammation and peritonitis. Kagawa indicated it additionally for treatment of blood stasis following pregnancy, miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion. Moutan is used here to vitalize blood and clear heat. This formulation is similar to a prescription of the Jingui Yaolue, Guizhi Fuling Wan (Cinnamon and Hoelen Formula), made with cinnamon, peony, moutan, persica, and hoelen. In Japan, Cinnamon and Hoelen Formula is the most frequently used therapy for abdominal blood stasis and its secondary manifestations (e.g., heat disorders, mental distress, abdominal pain). For further details, see: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/persica.htm [Note by Phil: Yanhusuo & Niuxi (Chuan), as in the Crane Herb Formula, are omitted in Subhuti's article, and the ratios of the herbs in common differ from those in the Crane Herb Comb]. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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