Digest Number 773

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Hi Sharon...welcome to the list.

 

In a message dated 11/15/01 7:15:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, sweiz writes:

 

 

As I understand it, part of the symptomatology indicating the use of Yu Nan Bai Yao is a subjective sense of being wounded and of bleeding from the heart.

 

This is from Lonny, it is exactly how he would describe it.

 

 

In other words, perhaps I was not a candidate for this med.

 

Maybe you are. Your experience highlights my caution around prescribing this agent.

 

I'll ask Lonny about this experience but I offer it up just to say that we can't use medications inadvertantly for broad diagnostic ideas like betrayal, especially when we don't even know what's in it. Minimally we should have our patients stop taking the med and call us if they feel anything uncomfortable. Pehaps the indications I mentioned above are completely necessary before perscribing since this is a medication for stopping bleeding and vitalizing the blood.

 

Agreed

 

Perhaps there's more about in Leon's new pulse book?

 

Dr. Hammer mentions it very briefly in case one as part of management related to 'possible past trauma.' There was birth trauma, car accidents, and physical abuse by the father of her first child.

 

Will

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I've been reading with interest the discussion about Yu Nan Bai Yao and thought

I'd share some experience with it. I recently took it, one capsule, three times

a day. I did this in part because who doesn't have heart break history after 45

years of life and because I wanted to try it on myself before giving such an

unorthodox treatment to a patient. I do have some subtle signs of blood stasis

such as some relatively new dark patches on my skin and some tumors, congenital,

in my liver. I didn't have any moments of clarity or anything like that but my

whole body began to ache, especially my legs. My legs also began to feel heavy

and throb. It felt bad and disappeared after I stopped the medication. Then, a

few weeks after I stopped the pills, my menses, which have been like clock work,

28 days, for my whole healthy menstrual life, came on day 17 and some of my hair

began to fall out! I only did the protocol for 4 days before I stopped! I have

been a Chinese herbalist for nearly

20 years and have taken herbs throughout those years and have never had such a

response.

 

As I understand it, part of the symptomatology indicating the use of Yu Nan Bai

Yao is a subjective sense of being wounded and of bleeding from the heart. I

have felt this before in my past (luckily long ago) so I do have a sense of what

this may mean but this was not one of my symptoms of Blood stasis. I believe

there are certain pulse pictures that are important indicators as well. I don't

think I have these pulses. In other words, perhaps I was not a candidate for

this med.

 

So, for me, I experienced the medication as harsh and, by the way, cold. It is

very aromatic, which I could smell, feel and taste. I believe it has Bing Pian,

Borneal in it.

 

I'll ask Lonny about this experience but I offer it up just to say that we can't

use medications inadvertantly for broad diagnostic ideas like betrayal,

especially when we don't even know what's in it. Minimally we should have our

patients stop taking the med and call us if they feel anything uncomfortable.

Pehaps the indications I mentioned above are completely necessary before

perscribing since this is a medication for stopping bleeding and vitalizing the

blood. I imagine Dr. Shen had, at least in his own heart and mind, clear

indications for when this med is right and when it isn't. Perhaps there's more

about in Leon's new pulse book? I would be curious about other's experience.

 

Sharon

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Hi,

 

>Dr. Hammer mentions it very briefly in case one as

part of management related to 'possible past trauma.'

There was birth trauma, car accidents, and physical

abuse by the father of her first child.

Will

 

Jean:These situations all can develop into

stasis.Therefore,Yunnan Bai Yao will fit for use.

Some stasis block in the brain vassels also cause

emotional problem.If it is the reason,Yunnan Bai Yao

will fit for use.

 

 

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Has anyone seen a book dealing with posture and

the blockage of meridians.

 

Thanks.

 

MCM

 

 

 

 

 

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This might interest you:

 

just found it so any experience and opinion would be welcome:

 

http://square.umin.ac.jp/mtnet/E/index.html

 

Found it as a Link at a great web site:

 

http://jabinet.net/

 

Robert hope you are well.... as for the rest of the list of course...

 

Marco

 

 

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> Has anyone seen a book dealing with posture and

> the blockage of meridians.

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> Thanks.