CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF ACUPUNCTURE

[Guest guest]

Phil

 

In all of these analogies.... the formulators of such propaganda arguments

always seem to forget the one major permutation beyond the obvious.....which

is...... to consider the untold millions of unnecessary allopathic treatments

which would have avoided human suffering not to forget to mention the saving of

untold trillions of dollars.

 

This can't be found on Medline.....can it? Maybe someone has written a report

along the way and it should be found.

 

How many millions of times patients visited an allopath and SHOULD have been

referred to an AP?

 

How many millions of times a patient was treated by overly agressive

allopathic treatments and maimed humans when they should have been referred to

an AP

even before the treatment?

 

How many millions of MD/DO visits even with the supposed reporting went

UNREPORTED or escaped the system?

 

Richard

 

 

 

n a message dated 11/30/2004 7:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Hi All,

 

See: CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF

ACUPUNCTURE

http://websites.golden-orb.com/pain-education/100194.php

 

Considering the millions of AP sessions given annually, this

number of papers on adverse effects is miniscule.

 

It also is miniscule in comparison with iatrogenic effects of

allopathic medicine.

 

Medline has 864,093 hits for the profile:

(iatrogen* OR adverse-react* or adverse-effect*) NOT acup*

 

but has only 779 hits for the profile:

(iatrogen* OR adverse-react* or adverse-effect*) AND acup*

 

Some of those hits could have been irrelevant, or referred to AP

being used to TREAT WM-induced iatrogenic disease, for example

urinary retention/emesis after surgery, or nausea/emesis, anaemia,

leukopenia & weakness after radiotherapy or cytotoxic

chemotherapy, etc.

 

However, because CAM is less tightly regulated than WM, some

authors claim that adverse effects of CAM are under-reported. See

example, below. Also, these authors say: " Adverse reactions to

CAM practices can be classified as risks of commission (which

includes removal of medical therapy) and risks of omission (which

includes failure to refer when appropriate) " .

 

Myers SP, Cheras PA. (2004) The other side of the coin: safety of

complementary and alternative medicine.Med J Aust. Aug

16;181(4):222-5. ACCMER, PO Box 157, Lismore NSW 2480,

Australia. smyers Most consumers consider

complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) products inherently

safe. The growing simultaneous use of CAM products and

pharmaceutical drugs by Australian consumers increases the risk

of CAM-drug interactions. The Therapeutic Goods Administration

(TGA) has a two-tier, risk-based regulatory system for therapeutic

goods - CAM products are regulated as low risk products and are

assessed for quality and safety; and sponsors of products must

hold the evidence for any claim of efficacy made about them.

Adverse reactions to CAM products can be classified as intrinsic

(innate to the product), or extrinsic (where the risk is not related to

the product itself, but results from the failure of good manufacturing

practice). Adverse reactions to CAM practices can be classified as

risks of commission (which includes removal of medical therapy)

and risks of omission (which includes failure to refer when

appropriate). While few systematic studies of adverse events with

CAM exist, and under-reporting is likely, most CAM products and

practices do not appear to present a high risk; their safety needs to

be put into the perspective of wider safety issues. A priority for

research is to rigorously define the risks associated with both CAM

products and practices so that their potential impact on public

health can be assessed. PMID: 15310261 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

See: CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF

ACUPUNCTURE

http://websites.golden-orb.com/pain-education/100194.php

 

Considering the millions of AP sessions given annually, this

number of papers on adverse effects is miniscule.

 

It also is miniscule in comparison with iatrogenic effects of

allopathic medicine.

 

Medline has 864,093 hits for the profile:

(iatrogen* OR adverse-react* or adverse-effect*) NOT acup*

 

but has only 779 hits for the profile:

(iatrogen* OR adverse-react* or adverse-effect*) AND acup*

 

Some of those hits could have been irrelevant, or referred to AP

being used to TREAT WM-induced iatrogenic disease, for example

urinary retention/emesis after surgery, or nausea/emesis, anaemia,

leukopenia & weakness after radiotherapy or cytotoxic

chemotherapy, etc.

 

However, because CAM is less tightly regulated than WM, some

authors claim that adverse effects of CAM are under-reported. See

example, below. Also, these authors say: " Adverse reactions to

CAM practices can be classified as risks of commission (which

includes removal of medical therapy) and risks of omission (which

includes failure to refer when appropriate) " .

 

Myers SP, Cheras PA. (2004) The other side of the coin: safety of

complementary and alternative medicine.Med J Aust. Aug

16;181(4):222-5. ACCMER, PO Box 157, Lismore NSW 2480,

Australia. smyers Most consumers consider

complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) products inherently

safe. The growing simultaneous use of CAM products and

pharmaceutical drugs by Australian consumers increases the risk

of CAM-drug interactions. The Therapeutic Goods Administration

(TGA) has a two-tier, risk-based regulatory system for therapeutic

goods - CAM products are regulated as low risk products and are

assessed for quality and safety; and sponsors of products must

hold the evidence for any claim of efficacy made about them.

Adverse reactions to CAM products can be classified as intrinsic

(innate to the product), or extrinsic (where the risk is not related to

the product itself, but results from the failure of good manufacturing

practice). Adverse reactions to CAM practices can be classified as

risks of commission (which includes removal of medical therapy)

and risks of omission (which includes failure to refer when

appropriate). While few systematic studies of adverse events with

CAM exist, and under-reporting is likely, most CAM products and

practices do not appear to present a high risk; their safety needs to

be put into the perspective of wider safety issues. A priority for

research is to rigorously define the risks associated with both CAM

products and practices so that their potential impact on public

health can be assessed. PMID: 15310261 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> See: CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF

> ACUPUNCTURE

> http://websites.golden-orb.com/pain-education/100194.php

 

Hi Dr. Phil!

 

Interesting one toward the bottom about chromium reaction. I understand

that the needles I use are stainless steel, but I wonder if they contain

any chromium? Does anyone even know?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Richard & All,

 

Richard wrote:

> Phil, In all of these analogies.... the formulators of such

> propaganda arguments always seem to forget the one major

> permutation beyond the obvious.....which is...... to consider the

> untold millions of unnecessary allopathic treatments which would

> have avoided human suffering not to forget to mention the saving of

> untold trillions of dollars. This can't be found on Medline.....can

> it? Maybe someone has written a report along the way and it should

> be found. How many millions of times patients visited an allopath

> and SHOULD have been referred to an AP? How many millions of times

> a patient was treated by overly agressive allopathic treatments and

> maimed humans when they should have been referred to an AP even

> before the treatment? How many millions of MD/DO visits even with

> the supposed reporting went UNREPORTED or escaped the system?

> Richard

 

Richard. I agree with most of your points.

 

But the decision whether or not to seek WM or AP lies primarily

with the client.

 

Once a client arrives at WM's door, " the system " takes over. I

suspect (but I have no stats on this) that few WM clinicians, unless

they have studied AP, or have experienced good results with it,

refer to an acupuncturist. IMO, most peripheral and vascular pain,

and many functional disorders can be treated as effectivelly (maybe

more effectively) by AP as by WM.

 

Similarly, once a client arrives at an AP practitioner's door, I

suspect that he/she will not refer to a WM practitioner unless the

case is assessed as very serious at presentation, or unless the

response is poor, or the S & Ss deteriorate, and the AP practitioner

decides to refer to WM doc " to cover his/her back " .

 

Nobody (whether WM or AP practitioner) will let their livelihood go

down the tubes easily! Both will have a go if they think that they

may be able to help.

 

Am I wrong here?

 

 

Best regards,

 

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< wrote:

 

>I suspect (but I have no stats on this) that few WM clinicians, unless they

have studied AP, or have experienced good results with it, refer to an

acupuncturist. IMO, most peripheral and vascular pain, and many functional

disorders can be treated as effectivelly (maybe more effectively) by AP as by

WM. <

 

Patient word of mouth accounts for 85% of my new patients.

 

12% of my new patients are MD referrals. Most are direct to me referrals but

some are general *Ac. is something you should look into* type referrals.

 

The most referrals come from Neurologists, Psychiatrists, Orthopedists, and ER

docs.

 

This does not come from a vacuum, I lecture twice a year at the local Med school

and educate my patients to educate their MDs.

 

>Similarly, once a client arrives at an AP practitioner's door, I

suspect that he/she will not refer to a WM practitioner unless the

case is assessed as very serious at presentation, or unless the

response is poor, or the S & Ss deteriorate, and the AP practitioner

decides to refer to WM doc " to cover his/her back " .<

 

I often refer patients to MDs, DOs, DCs, Homeopaths, Naturapaths and even other

LAc. I want a patient to get the best care they can and if this means someone

other than me so be it. This is how I have built my reputation and a succesful

clinic.

If we look at patients as no more than walking wallets we may for a short time

have some finacial success but in the long run we will fail as our reputation

for not meeting the needs of our patients becomes known.

 

I get referals from other docs (MDs etc) because they trust me to keep my

patients in the center of the picture and not the $ € £ etc.

 

Doc

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pete,

 

Chromium is about 12 - 25% of the alloy used to make stainless steel.

What is interesting (that I didn't know before reading the link below)

is that stainless steel rusts too, but when it rusts it forms a layer of

super strong and invisible chromium oxide instead of the iron oxide that

makes up the rust on regular steel.

 

For more info see:

http://www.mcwelding.com/morelinks/stainlesssteel.html

 

Chris

 

 

Pete Theisen [petet]

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:34 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF ACUPUNCTURE

 

 

 

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> See: CONFIRMED OR SUSPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS OF

> ACUPUNCTURE

> http://websites.golden-orb.com/pain-education/100194.php

 

Hi Dr. Phil!

 

Interesting one toward the bottom about chromium reaction. I understand

that the needles I use are stainless steel, but I wonder if they contain

 

any chromium? Does anyone even know?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris, Pete, & All,

 

Pete wrote:

> Interesting one toward the bottom about chromium reaction. I

> understand that the needles I use are stainless steel, but I wonder

> if they contain any chromium? Does anyone even know? Regards, Pete

>

 

Chris wrote:

> Hi Pete, Chromium is about 12-25% of the alloy used to make

> stainless steel. What is interesting (that I didn't know before

> reading the link below) is that stainless steel rusts too, but

> when it rusts it forms a layer of super strong and invisible

> chromium oxide instead of the iron oxide that makes up the rust on

> regular steel. For more info see:

> http://www.mcwelding.com/morelinks/stainlesssteel.html Chris

 

A medline search, returned 8 hits on AP needles and needle

dermatitis, Cr / Ni hypersensitiviry.

 

See below,

Phil

 

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Castelain M, Castelain PY, Ricciardi R (1987) | Contact dermatitis

to acupuncture needles. | Contact Dermatitis. Jan;16(1):44. | |

Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 3816211 [PubMed -

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Eun HC. (1981) | Nickel in acupuncture needles. | Contact

Dermatitis. Nov;7(6):334. | | PMID: 7338035 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

Fisher AA. (1986) | Allergic dermatitis from acupuncture needles. |

Cutis. Oct;38(4):226. | | Publication Types: Case Reports PMID:

3780301 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Lee AY, Eun HC, Kim HO, Moon KC, Lee CH, Kim GJ, Kim SC,

Ham JH. (2001) | Multicenter study of the frequency of contact

allergy to gold. | Contact Dermatitis. Oct;45(4):214-6. | Eulji

Hospital University of Medicine, Korea. | Gold sodium thiosulfate

(GSTS) is reputed to be the most reliable gold antigen, but control

studies are still required. Although Koreans have more varied

sources of contact with gold, such as herbal medicines with gold

coatings and indwelling gold acupuncture needles, no

epidemiological studies have been performed. This study examined

the frequency and sources of contact allergy to gold in South

Korea by a multicenter study. Patch testing with 0.5% GSTS in

pet. was conducted in 255 eczema patients and 58 control

subjects. Results were observed at 21 days (D) to ensure there

were no undetected late reactions in 54 observed patients and 47

controls. 8 (3.1%) of the 255 patients reacted positively to GSTS,

including 1 with a late reaction. 1 of the 58 controls showed a

positive reaction to GSTS on D4 with a negative reaction on D14.

Clinical relevance was lacking in the patients with positive

reactions. Unexpectedly, the above particular sources of gold

contact gave rise to few allergic reactions in our patients.

Publication Types: Multicenter Study PMID: 11683831 [PubMed -

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Morimoto M, Kawata K, Tsuchiya N, Murakami H, Kura M, Koga

Y.(2000) | [A case of acupuncture needle dermatitis] [Article in

Japanese] | Masui. Aug;49(8):887-9. | Department of

Anesthesiology, Kinki University School of Medicine,

Osakasayama. | A 65-year-old female visited our clinic with painful

red vesicular dermatitis of the forehead and around the left eye.

She had received acupuncture for headache and shoulder stiffness

6 days before visiting our clinic. A patch test with nickel sulfate

gave positive results. We treated her with the greater occipital

nerve block and trigger point injection which relieved her pain. We

reached the diagnosis of greater occipital trigeminal syndrome with

contact dermatitis from the acupuncture needle. Publication Types:

Case Reports PMID: 10998883 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Romaguera C, Grimalt F (1979) | Nickel dermatitis from

acupuncture needles. | Contact Dermatitis. May;5(3):195. | . |

Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 455974 [PubMed -

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Romaguera C, Grimalt F (1981) | Contact dermatitis from a

permanent acupuncture needle. | Contact Dermatitis. May;7(3):156-

7. | . | Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 7273731 [PubMed -

indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Tanii T, Kono T, Katoh J, Mizuno N, Fukuda M, Hamada T. (1991) |

A case of prurigo pigmentosa considered to be contact allergy to

chromium in an acupuncture needle. | Acta Derm

Venereol.;71(1):66-7. | Department of Dermatology, Osaka City

University Medical School, Japan. | A 53-year-old male developed

prurigo pigmentosa on his back, after undergoing acupuncture for 3

years. The eruptions were ceased on discontinuing the therapy but

recurred with its resumption. The acupuncture needle contained

18.12% chromium. Erythema was induced by patch testing with

potassium dichromate, and a flare-up was observed in the area of

the patch test on resumption of acupuncture. We consider that the

eruptions were induced by contact allergy to the chromium

component of the acupuncture needles. Publication Types: Case

Reports PMID: 1676221 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

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Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Hi Chris, Pete, & All,

<snip>

 

> stainless steel rusts too, but

>> when it rusts it forms a layer of super strong and invisible

>> chromium oxide instead of the iron oxide that makes up the rust on

>> regular steel. For more info see:

>> http://www.mcwelding.com/morelinks/stainlesssteel.html Chris

>

>

> A medline search, returned 8 hits on AP needles and needle

> dermatitis, Cr / Ni hypersensitiviry.

 

Hi Dr. Phil!

 

I guess we have to be alert to the possibility. I don't see how we can

avoid using stainless needles.

 

Regards,

 

Pete