Quickie AP training and Self-acupuncture

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio

 

I agree that weekend crash courses are a poor subsitute for in-

depth training in AP/TCM, BUT they are a useful way to get AP

(even inferior, Ciikbook AP, " inside the door " of the Establishment.

 

I argue that the National AP/TCM Boards should approach the NHS

and push for adequate staffing of the NHS Clinics with fully qualified

acupuncturists, and for referral to qualified people outside of the

NHS.

 

> Teaching people to self acupuncture is another nail in our coffin,

> a cookbook, irrational approach to healthcare. I'm totally against

> it. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto

 

I agree that self-acupuncture is undesirable for most subjects.

However, I would agree with it in specific cases, for example for

subjects who live in remote areas and/or find it very difficult to

come in for treatment frequently, or for professionals (meds,

nurses, vets, etc) who find it difficult to come in for frequent

sessions.

 

In such cases, the subjects could be trained to needle specific

points chosen by a competent acupuncturist, who would see the

subjects, say, every 2-3 weeks and reassess the points to be

needled every 1-3 days before the next scheduled treatment.

 

I understand that teaching subjects to MOXA themselves (esp with

indirect moxa) between professional AP sessions is quite common.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio

 

I also agree that " weekend crash courses are a poor subsitute for in-

depth training in AP/TCM " . The problem is they are a political

reality. I say political because they are usually promoted by

professionals who are in favour of acupuncture and TCM being

practiced by everyone, trained or not.

 

Plus the fact that many health care pros have taken one or two

acupuncture courses or a series of weekend crash courses in the

context of training in a non-TCM medical discipline; furthermore

acupuncture and other modalities have been legislated into their

scope of practice. So in that context, it is not surprising that the

public is getting self acupuncture courses; frankly speaking, it's

probably just as good as acupuncture received from weekend wonders.

 

I would think that an educational approach, such as webpages that

promote safe self acupressure with clear indications and

counterindications would help resolve these issues.

 

As to self needling, what's next ? I've yet to see seminars on how

to give one self osteopathic adjustments or how to suture Rover at

home .....

 

Cheers,

 

Dr. G.

[Guest guest]

hi, i'm one of 'self-needling', but exceptionally on my-self. i agree

with you that weekend courses are a poor substitute of a real AP.

actually i'm aware of this problem but i guess i'm out of it, because

i do not practise in public and my knowledge of AP and chinese

classical language plus more than 20 years studying china and it's

culture, graduated in chinese philosophy, allow me to do it. i'm

afraid about those who believe that is easy learning just the point

and use them!!! to me more i learn more i understand the problematics

of to be a doctor in AP

thanks luigi

Chinese Medicine , " busyalchimiste "

<busyalchimiste> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Attilio

>

> I also agree that " weekend crash courses are a poor subsitute for

in-

> depth training in AP/TCM " . The problem is they are a political

> reality. I say political because they are usually promoted by

> professionals who are in favour of acupuncture and TCM being

> practiced by everyone, trained or not.

>

> Plus the fact that many health care pros have taken one or two

> acupuncture courses or a series of weekend crash courses in the

> context of training in a non-TCM medical discipline; furthermore

> acupuncture and other modalities have been legislated into their

> scope of practice. So in that context, it is not surprising that

the

> public is getting self acupuncture courses; frankly speaking, it's

> probably just as good as acupuncture received from weekend wonders.

>

> I would think that an educational approach, such as webpages that

> promote safe self acupressure with clear indications and

> counterindications would help resolve these issues.

>

> As to self needling, what's next ? I've yet to see seminars on how

> to give one self osteopathic adjustments or how to suture Rover at

> home .....

>

> Cheers,

>

> Dr. G.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr G,

 

I think its totally unethical that doctors and nurses practice 'acupuncture'

after a weekend course. This is our own fault as we brought in regulation

too late. So now their in, we have to accommodate them. It's like us going

on a weekend course then diagnosing ourselves and prescribing ourselves

medication. Totally absurd. Again, they devalue our field, history and

background. It's a uphill battle all the way!

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

busyalchimiste [busyalchimiste]

28 November 2004 22:25

Chinese Medicine

Re: Quickie AP training and Self-acupuncture

 

 

 

 

Hi Attilio

 

I also agree that " weekend crash courses are a poor subsitute for in-

depth training in AP/TCM " . The problem is they are a political

reality. I say political because they are usually promoted by

professionals who are in favour of acupuncture and TCM being

practiced by everyone, trained or not.

 

Plus the fact that many health care pros have taken one or two

acupuncture courses or a series of weekend crash courses in the

context of training in a non-TCM medical discipline; furthermore

acupuncture and other modalities have been legislated into their

scope of practice. So in that context, it is not surprising that the

public is getting self acupuncture courses; frankly speaking, it's

probably just as good as acupuncture received from weekend wonders.

 

I would think that an educational approach, such as webpages that

promote safe self acupressure with clear indications and

counterindications would help resolve these issues.

 

As to self needling, what's next ? I've yet to see seminars on how

to give one self osteopathic adjustments or how to suture Rover at

home .....

 

Cheers,

 

Dr. G.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree that self-acupuncture is undesirable for most subjects.

>>>Why? i have been teaching patients for years without a single problem

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

 

'Inside the door' at what cost? If TCM works we don't have to give it on a

plate to the establishment, it will naturally come that way. Unfortunately,

we are selling ourselves out, do to late regulation and giving in to

dry-needling GP and nurses.

 

Why promote self-acupuncture? Get the patients to give themselves

acupressure instead. What about the insurance, cookbook and disposable

implications of self acupuncture?

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM

07786198900

attiliodalberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

[]

28 November 2004 21:39

Chinese Medicine

RE: Quickie AP training and Self-acupuncture

 

 

Hi Attilio

 

I agree that weekend crash courses are a poor subsitute for in-

depth training in AP/TCM, BUT they are a useful way to get AP

(even inferior, Ciikbook AP, " inside the door " of the Establishment.

 

I argue that the National AP/TCM Boards should approach the NHS

and push for adequate staffing of the NHS Clinics with fully qualified

acupuncturists, and for referral to qualified people outside of the

NHS.

 

> Teaching people to self acupuncture is another nail in our coffin,

> a cookbook, irrational approach to healthcare. I'm totally against

> it. Kind regards Attilio D'Alberto

 

I agree that self-acupuncture is undesirable for most subjects.

However, I would agree with it in specific cases, for example for

subjects who live in remote areas and/or find it very difficult to

come in for treatment frequently, or for professionals (meds,

nurses, vets, etc) who find it difficult to come in for frequent

sessions.

 

In such cases, the subjects could be trained to needle specific

points chosen by a competent acupuncturist, who would see the

subjects, say, every 2-3 weeks and reassess the points to be

needled every 1-3 days before the next scheduled treatment.

 

I understand that teaching subjects to MOXA themselves (esp with

indirect moxa) between professional AP sessions is quite common.

Best regards,

 

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