Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Hi all! I have a female patient in her late 40:s. She has problems with small " spider web " look-alike varicose veins on her thighs. She has thought about doing surgery, but would like to avoid this if possible and try TCM instead. Does anyone have any experience with treating this kind of problems and if, what has been your treatment principle? BR Carl Wallmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Hi I have some experiece with varicose veins. I taught a class a year ago on bloodletting techniques anmd its use in TCM. Some of the material was from " Japanese Acupuncture: A Clinical Guide " by Stephen Birch and Junko Ida. Firstly it has to be differentiated. The branch is almost always blood stasis in this condition but the root can be many patterns viz. 1. Spleen qi sinking 2. General Blood stasis 3. Blood vacuity 4. Liver qi stagnation and others depending on the patient's signs and symptoms Whatever the root it should be treated concurrently. As for the varicose veins themselves, there is nothing better than bloodletting if your patient is ready for it. I once had a chinese lecturer who said that bloodletting was 'ten treatments in one' and then she sighed because it is so rarely used in the west. If your patient is willing then you may adopt the following procedure 1. Search for small superficial venules (approximately from 1-7 hairs thickness) close to the varicosity. 2. Swab the area with whatever you use 3. then prick the thickest portion of the venule with a three-edged needle/lancet/surgical blade being careful only to open one side of the venule i.e dont go through the venule making two openings as this will cause a bruise. 4. when done correctly dark, almost black blood should pour out. let it continue pouring without obstructing it until it either stops on its own or the blood changes in color to more reddish fresh blood at which point you should stop it by using a cotton wool or whatever you like to use maintaining proper hygenic procedures. NB: The patient should have this procedure done on an empty stomach, this is very very important. 5. if the patient's constitution is strong you may repeat this procedure at 7-9 places on one visit. 6. if the patient's constitution is not good then do it at 2-3 places and remove only 3-5 drops of blood at each point + burn a little moxa/ or hold a moxa stock over the bled point for a few seconds. 7. Do not bleed the varicosity directly, very NB! 8. You should see the patient about 3 times a week for a few weeks and then do it once a week for another few weeks while combining herbs and other treatment to address the root. Keep in mind the following saying from the sayings from the classics: " if there is stagnation, it should first be moved by bloodletting before acupuncture and moxibustion " " new blood cannot be engendered until old blood is moved " Keep well Feroz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 HI all i'm an italian living in usa, in maryland and i have many good relationship with acupuncture school in italy, where i do some publication on chinese classical medical text. there is on the acupuncture magazine published on their web site, agopuntura.org, a study on the point Di Ji (8 sp) as one point for the treatment of varicose vein, leg and feet cold, togheter with 1 sp, and 40 st; or 8 sp, 4 sp, 6 pc (neiguan) adding 4 renmai with moxa. the varicose veins are principally seen as a stasi of qi and blood. as the article says there is a good result. besides the point is according to the study influent to stop to smoke. 8 sp (di ji, zutaiyin), is the earth point as said in the zhengjiu dacheng by yang jizhou, and it would take care of the 'things' below. thanks luigi Chinese Medicine , " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark@t...> wrote: > > Hi all! > > I have a female patient in her late 40:s. She has problems with small > " spider web " look-alike varicose veins on her thighs. She has thought > about doing surgery, but would like to avoid this if possible and try > TCM instead. Does anyone have any experience with treating this kind of > problems and if, what has been your treatment principle? > > BR > Carl Wallmark > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 if it is one spot, never mind how large, needle around the spot obliquely towrd the center with half-cun neddles (you need at least five needles), after 6-8 treatments probably you could see the result.I ususally treat patients with varicose veins for 2-3 months< but mine are older - 60-70. yuri --- defrancoluis <defrancoluis wrote: > > > HI all > > i'm an italian living in usa, in maryland and i have > many good > relationship with acupuncture school in italy, where > i do some > publication on chinese classical medical text. > there is on the acupuncture magazine published on > their web site, > agopuntura.org, a study on the point Di Ji (8 sp) as > one point for > the treatment of varicose vein, leg and feet cold, > togheter with 1 > sp, and 40 st; or 8 sp, 4 sp, 6 pc (neiguan) adding > 4 renmai with > moxa. the varicose veins are principally seen as a > stasi of qi and > blood. as the article says there is a good result. > besides the point > is according to the study influent to stop to smoke. > 8 sp (di ji, zutaiyin), is the earth point as said > in the zhengjiu > dacheng by yang jizhou, and it would take care of > the 'things' below. > thanks luigi > Chinese Medicine , > " Carl Henryk > Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark@t...> wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > I have a female patient in her late 40:s. She has > problems with > small > > " spider web " look-alike varicose veins on her > thighs. She has > thought > > about doing surgery, but would like to avoid this > if possible and > try > > TCM instead. Does anyone have any experience with > treating this > kind of > > problems and if, what has been your treatment > principle? > > > > BR > > Carl Wallmark > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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