Important: Changes to the Dicussions Held on the TCM Group

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

After conducting the poll, the results have been formulated. It

comes as no surprise that the majority of us hold certain core

values. The results are as follows in order of votes collected:

 

POLL QUESTION: Which topic do you wish to discuss the most within

this group? (You can vote for more than one-all votes are

confidential).

 

CHOICES AND RESULTS

- Acupuncture, 74 votes, 16.89%

- Case studies, 73 votes, 16.67%

- Herbal medicine, 70 votes, 15.98%

- Theory, 61 votes, 13.93%

- Nutrition, 44 votes, 10.05%

- Qi Gong, 33 votes, 7.53%

- Tuina, 30 votes, 6.85%

- Gua Sha, 25 votes, 5.71%

- Tai Chi, 16 votes, 3.65%

- Western medicine's disadvantages, 12 votes, 2.74%

 

As you can see from the results above, acupuncture, herbal medicine,

theory, case studies and at a push nutrition, all scored highly.

 

When running a group such as this, the most important thing is to

keep the group's vision focused, so we can maintain a high level of

academic rigour. To do so, we need to concentrate on certain topics

and abandon others.

 

Therefore, it is now my aim to concentrate on the top 5 topics,

those being acupuncture, herbal medicine, theory, case studies and

nutrition.

 

The other remaining topics will no longer be discussed within this

group. Any messages containing these topics will be either bounced

back to the author or deleted.

 

In order for these abandoned topics to continue to flourish, I have

created a new group for them to be discussed. This group will allow

members to discuss Tuina QiGong and Taichi (TQT). The new group's

website address is

http://health.TuinaQiGongTaiChi/

 

I hope members will join the new group and participate in its

discussions. I'm also looking for new moderators to manage this new

group as I am no expert in Tuina, Qi Gong or Tai Chi. Anyone

interested, please contact me off list.

 

Any comments regarding this, please contact me off list.

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I think it is not a good idea to divide the group. It will give more

burdens to people who would like to have information in both sites.

Because they have to spend more time in checking another site. Most of us

are not just reading information form this group only, we have too many

site in the Web. We also have too many things to do and we just have a

fix amout of time to use per day...

 

I am not sure how it could be done. It is better to create a topic

listing. Each time a new question come out, we just group it into a

similar file. Within that same file, we should create a respond chain for

all the subsequence e-mail who responds to that question only. That way

we can screen out all the questions in group and in time sequence.

 

I feel overwhelm by too many e-mail received everyday and won't be able

to just pick up one topic and read about its entire progress as it is

being updating.

 

KL

 

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:38:09 -0000 " "

<attiliodalberto writes:

 

Hi all,

 

After conducting the poll, the results have been formulated. It

comes as no surprise that the majority of us hold certain core

values. The results are as follows in order of votes collected:

 

POLL QUESTION: Which topic do you wish to discuss the most within

this group? (You can vote for more than one-all votes are

confidential).

 

CHOICES AND RESULTS

- Acupuncture, 74 votes, 16.89%

- Case studies, 73 votes, 16.67%

- Herbal medicine, 70 votes, 15.98%

- Theory, 61 votes, 13.93%

- Nutrition, 44 votes, 10.05%

- Qi Gong, 33 votes, 7.53%

- Tuina, 30 votes, 6.85%

- Gua Sha, 25 votes, 5.71%

- Tai Chi, 16 votes, 3.65%

- Western medicine's disadvantages, 12 votes, 2.74%

 

As you can see from the results above, acupuncture, herbal medicine,

theory, case studies and at a push nutrition, all scored highly.

 

When running a group such as this, the most important thing is to

keep the group's vision focused, so we can maintain a high level of

academic rigour. To do so, we need to concentrate on certain topics

and abandon others.

 

Therefore, it is now my aim to concentrate on the top 5 topics,

those being acupuncture, herbal medicine, theory, case studies and

nutrition.

 

The other remaining topics will no longer be discussed within this

group. Any messages containing these topics will be either bounced

back to the author or deleted.

 

In order for these abandoned topics to continue to flourish, I have

created a new group for them to be discussed. This group will allow

members to discuss Tuina QiGong and Taichi (TQT). The new group's

website address is

http://health.TuinaQiGongTaiChi/

 

I hope members will join the new group and participate in its

discussions. I'm also looking for new moderators to manage this new

group as I am no expert in Tuina, Qi Gong or Tai Chi. Anyone

interested, please contact me off list.

 

Any comments regarding this, please contact me off list.

 

Kind regards,

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I can see potential problems with dividing up the group and making TCM

topics taboo on the list.

 

For one, I know that I cannot manage another group right now. I've been

so busy with school over the past week I did not even realize a poll was

going on. ;-) I'm sure others may have the same problem.

 

In all honesty, I also think limiting topics is going to become confusing.

For example, how do we manage topics that are not easily categorized

(eg. TCM schools, law changes, training in China, TCM books, etc.) ?

Will these topics be taboo? What about practice management? Taboo?

Are cupping or magnet therapies to be considered part of acupuncture?

Are they taboo? As Gua Sha didn't make it on either list (even though it

is commonly used in TCM), will this be a taboo topic as well?

 

Just a thought as an alternative, I have managed groups in the past,

where I had created category headings to precede subject titles. This

has been a very effective method to allow members to scan for subjects

of interest, and delete those that are not, without having to limit topics

of discussion or divide up the group. This tends to work well with groups

that have a large mail volume.

 

On a group such as this... it might work something like this...

 

ACUPUNCTURE: subject heading

HERBAL MED: subject heading

THEORY: subject heading

CASE STUDIES: subject heading

TCM STUDY: subject heading

PRACTICE MGMT: subject heading

OFF-TOPIC: subject heading

 

etc., etc., etc.

 

Is it possible that this might be a workable alternative Attilio? As I am

not sure the reasons for the changes to the group, I don't know if this

might be useful or not. Just a thought.

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Andrea

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Those are some really good points. I think a different format that

allowed for specific headings as you mentioned would be best, but if

not perhaps it would be better to have seperate groups, but not

DISALLOW posts that come through on any given topic. That way most of

the time the topics will be seperated, but it won't be a rigid

thing...so that gray areas easily have a place and we won't have to go

into deep contemplation just to figure out which forum to write on.

Then, if someone continually writes on a topic that belongs on another

forum the moderator can just send them an email telling them about the

other forum.

 

I think that's a much more respectful way to approach this issue, and

it won't make people feel reluctant to share for fear that they are

writing on the wrong forum. I wouldn't want to go to the trouble to

write a post if I thought it might be deleted. ARGH. That would be

as frustrating as my computer blue screening at an inopportune moment.

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Ai, Anmeng "

<aianmeng@s...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I can see potential problems with dividing up the group and making TCM

> topics taboo on the list.

>

> For one, I know that I cannot manage another group right now. I've been

> so busy with school over the past week I did not even realize a poll was

> going on. ;-) I'm sure others may have the same problem.

>

> In all honesty, I also think limiting topics is going to become

confusing.

> For example, how do we manage topics that are not easily categorized

> (eg. TCM schools, law changes, training in China, TCM books, etc.) ?

> Will these topics be taboo? What about practice management? Taboo?

> Are cupping or magnet therapies to be considered part of acupuncture?

> Are they taboo? As Gua Sha didn't make it on either list (even

though it

> is commonly used in TCM), will this be a taboo topic as well?

>

> Just a thought as an alternative, I have managed groups in the past,

> where I had created category headings to precede subject titles. This

> has been a very effective method to allow members to scan for subjects

> of interest, and delete those that are not, without having to limit

topics

> of discussion or divide up the group. This tends to work well with

groups

> that have a large mail volume.

>

> On a group such as this... it might work something like this...

>

> ACUPUNCTURE: subject heading

> HERBAL MED: subject heading

> THEORY: subject heading

> CASE STUDIES: subject heading

> TCM STUDY: subject heading

> PRACTICE MGMT: subject heading

> OFF-TOPIC: subject heading

>

> etc., etc., etc.

>

> Is it possible that this might be a workable alternative Attilio?

As I am

> not sure the reasons for the changes to the group, I don't know if this

> might be useful or not. Just a thought.

>

> Kindest Regards,

>

> Andrea

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura,

 

If messages are not on topic, I.e. Tuina or QiGong, I am asking the member

to post the message on the new group.

 

I won't be using the subject heading idea, as it doesn't work in reality,

great idea though.

 

Attilio

 

heylaurag [heylaurag]

13 November 2004 19:04

Chinese Medicine

Re: Important: Changes to the Dicussions Held on the TCM

Group

 

 

Those are some really good points. I think a different format that

allowed for specific headings as you mentioned would be best, but if

not perhaps it would be better to have seperate groups, but not

DISALLOW posts that come through on any given topic. That way most of

the time the topics will be seperated, but it won't be a rigid

thing...so that gray areas easily have a place and we won't have to go

into deep contemplation just to figure out which forum to write on.

Then, if someone continually writes on a topic that belongs on another

forum the moderator can just send them an email telling them about the

other forum.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't think that has this format available that I'm talking

about. I think its called, " YaBB " that has this format. Its hard to

describe if you haven't seen it.

 

But given that we're using , I don't see why its a big deal to

have the groups seperated. If people set it up right all you have to

do is click on " My Groups " and you can have the different groups right

there handy to click on any ole' time you want. For instance, I

currently have three groups under, " My Groups " --this one, an herbal

one, and TCMental. I guess now I'll have four. No biggee.

 

If it encourages more lively discussions about acupuncture and herbs

I'm all for it.

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

> Hi Laura,

>

> If messages are not on topic, I.e. Tuina or QiGong, I am asking the

member

> to post the message on the new group.

>

> I won't be using the subject heading idea, as it doesn't work in

reality,

> great idea though.

>

> Attilio

>

>

> heylaurag [heylaurag@h...]

> 13 November 2004 19:04

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Important: Changes to the Dicussions Held on the TCM

> Group

>

>

> Those are some really good points. I think a different format that

> allowed for specific headings as you mentioned would be best, but if

> not perhaps it would be better to have seperate groups, but not

> DISALLOW posts that come through on any given topic. That way most of

> the time the topics will be seperated, but it won't be a rigid

> thing...so that gray areas easily have a place and we won't have to go

> into deep contemplation just to figure out which forum to write on.

> Then, if someone continually writes on a topic that belongs on another

> forum the moderator can just send them an email telling them about the

> other forum.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hello all.

 

No time to write much, I'd just like to say that as a student of chinese

medicine and practitioner of tuina

I think it's a shame to separate into two groups, since I know that I learn and

improve my tuina and

understanding of chinese medicine as a whole by discussing things with

practitioners of acupuncture

and herbs. I'm sure some practitioners of those modalities could learn things

from tuina practitioners

as well.

 

Also Attilio you commented that discussion of tuina invariably lacked reference

to acupuncture points!

I guess this means that you have never studied tuina....because we - some or

most of us - use all the

same points you do, same names, locations, functions, etc. all the time.

 

anyway i'm sure the other group will be good too so i'll go join it.

 

Simon

[Guest guest]

Hi Simon,

 

No I've never studied Tuina but do have a basic understanding of it.

 

Actually, over the last three months, I WAS making the exact point that

Tuina uses the same points, locations, Jinglou and diagnosis as acupuncture.

Obviously, you must of missed that.

 

Attilio

 

 

 

wackname [wackname]

17 November 2004 03:37

Chinese Medicine

Re: Important: Changes to the Dicussions Held on the TCM

Group

 

Also Attilio you commented that discussion of tuina invariably lacked

reference to acupuncture points!

I guess this means that you have never studied tuina....because we - some or

most of us - use all the

same points you do, same names, locations, functions, etc. all the time.

 

Simon

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

How does Shiatsu compare to Tuina? They both use the

same points as acupuncture as stated below.

--- Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto

wrote:

 

> Hi Simon,

>

> No I've never studied Tuina but do have a basic

> understanding of it.

>

> Actually, over the last three months, I WAS making

> the exact point that

> Tuina uses the same points, locations, Jinglou and

> diagnosis as acupuncture.

> Obviously, you must of missed that.

>

> Attilio

>

>

>

> wackname [wackname]

> 17 November 2004 03:37

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Important: Changes to the

> Dicussions Held on the TCM

> Group

>

> Also Attilio you commented that discussion of tuina

> invariably lacked

> reference to acupuncture points!

> I guess this means that you have never studied

> tuina....because we - some or

> most of us - use all the

> same points you do, same names, locations,

> functions, etc. all the time.

>

> Simon

[Guest guest]

Shiatsu is Tui Na, just with a Japanese name and a

floor mat.

 

It is like saying " Japanese Acupuncture " lol

It is still nonetheless.

 

It is almost probable that someone in America will

come up with their own name in a Chinese Medical

treatment...and claim it their own.

 

Peace,

Ai Wei

 

 

same points, locations, Jinglou and

> > diagnosis as acupuncture.

> > Obviously, you must of missed that.

> >

> > Attilio

> >

> >

> >

> > wackname [wackname]

> > 17 November 2004 03:37

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Re: Important: Changes to the

> > Dicussions Held on the TCM

> > Group

> >

> > Also Attilio you commented that discussion of

> tuina

> > invariably lacked

> > reference to acupuncture points!

> > I guess this means that you have never studied

> > tuina....because we - some or

> > most of us - use all the

> > same points you do, same names, locations,

> > functions, etc. all the time.

> >

> > Simon

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this information.

--- Aiwei Lin <daoist_linaiwei wrote:

 

>

>

> Shiatsu is Tui Na, just with a Japanese name and a

> floor mat.

>

> It is like saying " Japanese Acupuncture " lol

> It is still nonetheless.

>

> It is almost probable that someone in America will

> come up with their own name in a Chinese Medical

> treatment...and claim it their own.

>

> Peace,

> Ai Wei

>

>

> same points, locations, Jinglou and

> > > diagnosis as acupuncture.

> > > Obviously, you must of missed that.

> > >

> > > Attilio

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > wackname [wackname]

> > > 17 November 2004 03:37

> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > Re: Important: Changes to the

> > > Dicussions Held on the TCM

> > > Group

> > >

> > > Also Attilio you commented that discussion of

> > tuina

> > > invariably lacked

> > > reference to acupuncture points!

> > > I guess this means that you have never studied

> > > tuina....because we - some or

> > > most of us - use all the

> > > same points you do, same names, locations,

> > > functions, etc. all the time.

> > >

> > > Simon

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , Aiwei Lin

<daoist_linaiwei> wrote:

>

>

> Shiatsu is Tui Na, just with a Japanese name and a

> floor mat.

>

 

This just isn't true. Shiatsu has it's own traditions and techniques.

They _are both systems of bodywork that address the meridians, but

they should be/are differentiated from each other.

 

It's like saying apples and oranges are the same thing because they

are both fruit.

 

Best wishes-

Rebecca

[Guest guest]

True, Tui Na is not the same as Shiatsu - although Ghi Ah is almost identical to

Shi Atsu

Actually they use the same characters and are the GwanDung Wah and Japanese ways

of pronunciation

 

rebeccarmt <rebeccarmt wrote:

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Aiwei Lin

<daoist_linaiwei> wrote:

>

>

> Shiatsu is Tui Na, just with a Japanese name and a

> floor mat.

>

 

This just isn't true. Shiatsu has it's own traditions and techniques.

They _are both systems of bodywork that address the meridians, but

they should be/are differentiated from each other.

 

It's like saying apples and oranges are the same thing because they

are both fruit.

 

Best wishes-

Rebecca

 

 

 

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