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Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse.

Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness

(in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge. She has not

always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that

despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She

believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to

repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too

closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is

savvy psychologically).

 

So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe

the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a

cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from

ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of

getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera--she

has chosen to use depo provera so avoid periods because she gets

migrains with her periods (hopefully that will change with

treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation.

 

She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult

childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd

like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed.

 

Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be

appreciated. Thanks!

 

Laura

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I don't think the root of her problem can be address without looking at

her childhood. I believe that people are intrinsically very strong,

especially survivors of abuse, and as helping professionals we do them a

dis-service by treating them as if they are weak and supporting their

fears. If she survived the initial abuse she must eventually come to

terms with it as an adult where she has the tools and maturity to work

through it (especially being a child psychologist!). There are no

alternatives to doing this in the end. The energy she must be using to

repress dealing with these issues is more than likely the root cause of

her sexual problem as well as any number of other physical problems she

is experiencing like her painful periods and migraines. I have worked

with this issue as a hypnotherapist and there are ways of confronting

those early childhood demons without " falling apart " . With a

compassionate and well trained approach patients can go through their

fears, express their rage and release the strangle hold these early

experiences have on them. I think that we need to be aware of our own

fears and issues around child abuse and trauma and not project our stuff

and judgment on our patients when they are coming to us for help.

 

From a Chinese medicine perspective, according to the classics " Qi

follows Shen " . The Qi stagnation in her genitals is clearly due to her

Shen (the root). I would probably treat the Dai meridian before the

Chong but either should help. Any issue regarding Qi stagnation and the

genitals must involve the Liver and Gall Bladder (thus the Dai Mai over

the Chong and also causing her migraines). There is a really powerful

treatment using Ion pumping cords for these kinds of spirit issues.

TW-5 on the right with the black lead to Liv-3 red lead on the left;

PC-6 on the left with the red lead to GB-41 on the right with the black

lead; plus Yin Tang (a powerful Ghost point). Retain the needles for 20

- 30 minutes and do not add any other points during this treatment as it

can " confuse " the intent and flow of the Qi. I agree that the depo

shots are contributing to her stagnation. Hormones work at the level of

the Jing and are nothing to mess with unless there are no alternatives.

 

She probably needs a multi-faceted approach (physical, psychological and

spiritual) and a lot of compassion and loving support from many people

around her to confront this. She may not be ready to deal with it all

at once, and she doesn't have to. It will likely be a long journey of

" peeling the onion " , but it can be a very empowering and liberating

process. If she can find the courage to go straight into her fears and

work through it her life will be her reward.

 

Best of luck!

Chris

 

 

heylaurag [heylaurag]

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:18 AM

Chinese Medicine

Pain with intercourse

 

Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse.

Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness

(in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge. She has not

always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that

despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She

believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to

repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too

closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is

savvy psychologically).

 

So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe

the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a

cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from

ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of

getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera--she

has chosen to use depo provera so avoid periods because she gets

migrains with her periods (hopefully that will change with

treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation.

 

She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult

childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd

like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed.

 

Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be

appreciated. Thanks!

 

Laura

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Make a simple Hara test:

 

In lateral plane:

Is there any sign on R abdomen? - LU

Is there any sign on L abdomen? - LV

 

In linear plane:

Is there any sign on Ren above navel? - SP ST HT

Is there any sign on Ren below navel? - SP K BL

 

On Ren above navel:

Is there any sign on Ren above Ren 12? - HT

Is there any sign on Ren below Ren 12? - ST SP

 

On Ren above Ren 12:

Is there any sign on Ren nearer Ren 12? - ST

Is there any sign on Ren nearer Ren 14? - HT

 

If a positive smack dab on these, read organ alongside:

Ren 12 - ST

Ren 14 - HT

Ren 10 - ST pyloric end

Ren 8.5 - K

Ren 9 - SP

Ren 7.5 - K

Ren 7 - SP

Ren 3 or 4 - K

Ren 2 - BL

Ren 2.5 - BL

 

In that manner wind down from navel to pubis and sort out

SP K or BL.

 

For whichever finding you get, release with a remote point on same

side forearm or leg points.

 

If you test these out meticulously the patient may recover in one session.

 

Don't forget the Adrenal Reflex. If find one treat ipsilateral sides.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

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" heylaurag " <heylaurag

<Chinese Medicine >

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:18 AM

Pain with intercourse

 

 

>

>

>

> Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse.

> Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness

> (in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge. She has not

> always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that

> despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She

> believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to

> repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too

> closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is

> savvy psychologically).

>

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Hi Laura & Chris,

 

> She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult

> childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd

> like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. Anyone have

> any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be

> appreciated. Thanks! Laura

 

As well as advice from other colleagues, and what Chris has said

[and I agree with it], consider using 5-Phase Theory to address the

basic EMOTIONAL deficiency:

 

If no joy, work on HT-Shen, esp Shentang-BL44

If obssion/worry, work on SP-Yi, esp Yishe-BL49

If grief/sorrow, work on LU-Po, esp Pohu-BL42

If fear, work on KI-Zhi, esp Zhishi-BL52

If anger, work on LV-Hun, esp Hunmen-BL47

 

Apart from Z_03-Yintang, other points for the psyche include Ear Pt

Shenmen, GV26-Shuigou, GV20-Baihui, HT07-Shenmen, PC06-

Neiguan.

 

Also, LV03-Taichong is a powerful point for inguinal/groin/genital

problems.

 

IMO, chronic and deep-seated physical/functional problems that

relate to old trauma (mental and/or physical), inevitably involve the

psyche/spirit, and one or more of the emotions.

 

Skilled counselling to exteriorise the hidden mental trauma is

essential. The subject often has a primal catharsis (screaming,

crying, moaning, hitting the bed, etc) when the internalised trauma

is released. Cure often follows quickly after that.

 

 

Best regards,

 

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Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing

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Lonny Jarrett has written extensively about these issues, including in

Nourishing Destiny and practical suggestions in his Clinical Practice of

. I believe you can also access a three part journal

article, Betrayal of Intimacy, through his website: www.spiritpathpress.com.

karen

 

wrote:

 

>Hi Laura & Chris,

>

>

>

>>She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult

>>childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd

>>like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. Anyone have

>>any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be

>>appreciated. Thanks! Laura

>>

>>

>

>As well as advice from other colleagues, and what Chris has said

>[and I agree with it], consider using 5-Phase Theory to address the

>basic EMOTIONAL deficiency:

>

>If no joy, work on HT-Shen, esp Shentang-BL44

>If obssion/worry, work on SP-Yi, esp Yishe-BL49

>If grief/sorrow, work on LU-Po, esp Pohu-BL42

>If fear, work on KI-Zhi, esp Zhishi-BL52

>If anger, work on LV-Hun, esp Hunmen-BL47

>

>Apart from Z_03-Yintang, other points for the psyche include Ear Pt

>Shenmen, GV26-Shuigou, GV20-Baihui, HT07-Shenmen, PC06-

>Neiguan.

>

>Also, LV03-Taichong is a powerful point for inguinal/groin/genital

>problems.

>

>IMO, chronic and deep-seated physical/functional problems that

>relate to old trauma (mental and/or physical), inevitably involve the

>psyche/spirit, and one or more of the emotions.

>

>Skilled counselling to exteriorise the hidden mental trauma is

>essential. The subject often has a primal catharsis (screaming,

>crying, moaning, hitting the bed, etc) when the internalised trauma

>is released. Cure often follows quickly after that.

>

>

>Best regards,

>

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Hi Karen & All,

 

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Karen wrote:

> Lonny Jarrett has written extensively about these issues,

> including in Nourishing Destiny and practical suggestions in his

> Clinical Practice of . I believe you can also

> access a three part journal article, Betrayal of Intimacy, through

> his website: www.spiritpathpress.com. karen

 

Great site, Karen!

 

The front page [ http://www.spiritpathpress.com/ ] reads:

 

" UPPER (class) medicines.....[NOURISH] DESTINY and

correspond to HEAVEN ... If one wishes to prolong the years of life

without aging, one should " use these.

 

MIDDLE (class) medicines [NOURISH] one's NATURE and

correspond to MAN. ...If one wishes to prevent illness and to

supplement depletions and emaciations, one should " use these.

 

LOWER (class) medicines....[TREAT] illness and correspond to

EARTH. If one wishes to remove cold, heat and (other) evil

influences (from the body), to break accumulations, and to cure

illnesses, one should base (one's efforts) on (drugs listed in) the

lower (class of this) manual. " Source: Shen Nong Ben Cao

 

Can you list examples of Shennong's UPPER, MIDDLE and

LOWER class medicines?

 

Better still, can you cite a WWW reference that lists the

medicines in each of those classes?

 

http://www.spiritpathpress.com/articles.html has links to:

 

ARTICLES

AP Point Function

Chinese Character List & Glossary

Constitution, Theme & Thread of Life

Holographic Paradigm & AP

Inner Functions of AP Points

Myth & Meaning In CM

Nature of Cure & Healing

Niu Huang Ching Xin Wan [CHM formula]

The Returned Spirit (Gui Ling) of TCM

Use of Exit & Entry Points in Traditional AP

 

ABSTRACTS

CM & Betrayal of Intimacy: Theory & Treatment of Abuse, Incest,

Rape & Divorce with AP & Herbs

 

Constitutional Type & Internal Tradition of CM

Loss & Return of Original Nature: Law of Husband/Wife

Role of Human Will (Zhi), & Spirit of BL52

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

 

Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing

it "

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> hello,

>

>.... and says that

> despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She

> believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to

> repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too

> closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is

> savvy psychologically).

 

It is impossible that she is savvy psychologically else there'd be no

" unconscious reaction to repressed memories of abuse " . I'd treat

holistically based on chinese diagnostic signs, pulse, tongue, colour

etc., especially using " Window points " and recommend she sees a

psychotherapist as a matter of priority - her job is no accident,

given her history, and she is at risk of unconsciously working out her

own problems on her clients - not a good idea!!

 

>

> has chosen to use depo provera

 

thats clever - that'll help with her hormones and her cancer

worries!!!!! Hmmm, sarcasm is hard to convey, aint it?

 

regards

 

stephen

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